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Terrorist act in Germany

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posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 02:50 AM
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9 people (mostly muslims) were murdered during an alleged right-wing extremist terrorist act - after that the perpetrator killed his mother and then himself. in a video that he probably published on youtube a few days ago, the perpetrator addressed america and spoke of underground military facilities where the devil was worshipped and children were abused and killed. in addition, a letter of confession was found, the contents of which are partly xenophobic. before the usual relations start again (but the leftists, that was surely a mentally ill individual etc...) i'll ask the question: why does he murder and injure exclusively (except his mother) people of muslim faith?

a sad day for germany.

www.spiegel.de...
www.bbc.com...
www.foxnews.com...
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posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:02 AM
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a reply to: oloufo

I'm going to call this one as a combination of untreated mental illness and too much 4chan



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:07 AM
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originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: oloufo

I'm going to call this one as a combination of untreated mental illness and too much 4chan


i think that every murderer is mentally ill in some way. he was a radical conspiracy theorist who legally possessed a gun. the question is, what are such actions based on? and can't it be that the ongoing rush against certain population groups contributes to this?



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:11 AM
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a reply to: oloufo

Soooo... you DON'T think he was mentally ill?

Sounds like he killed Muslims because he thought the devil-worshipping child murderers were all 1,000's of miles away in bunkers.

Doesn't sound mentally stable to me.

Shame you brought politics into it when people have died because a mental illness went untreated and festered for so long. Nobody is going to come in here saying 'but the left!'. That's an old trope that gets rolled out all the time, but it's not the norm.



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:15 AM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: oloufo

Soooo... you DON'T think he was mentally ill?

Sounds like he killed Muslims because he thought the devil-worshipping child murderers were all 1,000's of miles away in bunkers.

Doesn't sound mentally stable to me.

Shame you brought politics into it when people have died because a mental illness went untreated and festered for so long. Nobody is going to come in here saying 'but the left!'. That's an old trope that gets rolled out all the time, but it's not the norm.


in my eyes neo-nazis, extremists, radicals etc. are all mentally ill in a way. that just doesn't excuse anything. we have to try to understand what makes these people commit such a crime...



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:17 AM
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originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: oloufo

I'm going to call this one as a combination of untreated mental illness and too much 4chan


i think that every murderer is mentally ill in some way. he was a radical conspiracy theorist who legally possessed a gun. the question is, what are such actions based on? and can't it be that the ongoing rush against certain population groups contributes to this?


Condolences to the innocent in this horror. I struggle to understand, even after all this time, how someone can become so detached from humanity as to target unknown people and end their existence for their last acts in life.

Tragedy in large letters.

😥

The media spin will be horrible to watch.
edit on 20-2-2020 by Jonjonj because: Added opinion



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:18 AM
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a reply to: oloufo

Heard about that on the radio today , just terrible. Social media is definitely pushing some people over the edge, perhaps this nutter would have done it regardless. Sad day.



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:22 AM
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originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: oloufo

I'm going to call this one as a combination of untreated mental illness and too much 4chan


i think that every murderer is mentally ill in some way. he was a radical conspiracy theorist who legally possessed a gun. the question is, what are such actions based on? and can't it be that the ongoing rush against certain population groups contributes to this?


Condolences to the innocent in this horror. I struggle to understand, even after all this time, how someone can become so detached from humanity as to target unknown people and end their existence for their last acts in life.

Tragedy in large letters.

😥

The media spin will be horrible to watch.


i personally believe that the internet plays a big role here. unfortunately there are people who believe that germany is being taken over by muslims or that the german people should be exchanged. such theories can be found in many radical right wing forums. in reality the 6% muslims living in germany are a normal part of our society.



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:27 AM
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originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: oloufo

I'm going to call this one as a combination of untreated mental illness and too much 4chan


i think that every murderer is mentally ill in some way. he was a radical conspiracy theorist who legally possessed a gun. the question is, what are such actions based on? and can't it be that the ongoing rush against certain population groups contributes to this?


Condolences to the innocent in this horror. I struggle to understand, even after all this time, how someone can become so detached from humanity as to target unknown people and end their existence for their last acts in life.

Tragedy in large letters.

😥

The media spin will be horrible to watch.


i personally believe that the internet plays a big role here. unfortunately there are people who believe that germany is being taken over by muslims or that the german people should be exchanged. such theories can be found in many radical right wing forums. in reality the 6% muslims living in germany are a normal part of our society.


So what is the answer? After all, censorship of the internet is the equivalent of old fashioned book burning.



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:36 AM
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originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: oloufo

I'm going to call this one as a combination of untreated mental illness and too much 4chan


i think that every murderer is mentally ill in some way. he was a radical conspiracy theorist who legally possessed a gun. the question is, what are such actions based on? and can't it be that the ongoing rush against certain population groups contributes to this?


Condolences to the innocent in this horror. I struggle to understand, even after all this time, how someone can become so detached from humanity as to target unknown people and end their existence for their last acts in life.

Tragedy in large letters.

😥

The media spin will be horrible to watch.


i personally believe that the internet plays a big role here. unfortunately there are people who believe that germany is being taken over by muslims or that the german people should be exchanged. such theories can be found in many radical right wing forums. in reality the 6% muslims living in germany are a normal part of our society.


So what is the answer? After all, censorship of the internet is the equivalent of old fashioned book burning.


maybe people should stop demonising whole population groups. maybe people should stop spreading lies. maybe people should stop voting for right-wing populist parties that demonise muslims on a daily basis. i know that other groups are also hostile, but this is a crime against german citizens of muslim faith.



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:36 AM
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originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: oloufo

Soooo... you DON'T think he was mentally ill?

Sounds like he killed Muslims because he thought the devil-worshipping child murderers were all 1,000's of miles away in bunkers.

Doesn't sound mentally stable to me.

Shame you brought politics into it when people have died because a mental illness went untreated and festered for so long. Nobody is going to come in here saying 'but the left!'. That's an old trope that gets rolled out all the time, but it's not the norm.


in my eyes neo-nazis, extremists, radicals etc. are all mentally ill in a way. that just doesn't excuse anything. we have to try to understand what makes these people commit such a crime...


Mental illness is not an excuse. It's an explanation. Why did he think what he did about underground bunkers? What is written in the dozens upon dozens of binders behind him in his picture? Paranoia delusions is my guess. If you think you can flip the script on this with that BS then think again. Nobody is excusing murder. What you're trying to do is blame it on people you don't agree with politically (ETA: and there it is in the post above). This Isn’t some dust-ups between protesters. This is outright planned murder. This Isn’t an ideology it's a brain disorder.

A better question is how did this clearly mentally ill man have a gun in Germany with their restrictive gun laws.
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posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:48 AM
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A better question is how did this clearly mentally ill man have a gun in Germany with their restrictive gun laws.


About 2 million people own more than 5.5 million legal guns in Germany for a population of more than 80 million.
On top of that, police unions have estimated that there are up to 20 million more illegally-owned guns in Germany – this would mean roughly 30 guns for every group of 100 people.


Germany has one of the highest rates of gun ownership worldwide, yet also one of the lowest rates of gun-related deaths.

source
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posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:49 AM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: oloufo

Soooo... you DON'T think he was mentally ill?

Sounds like he killed Muslims because he thought the devil-worshipping child murderers were all 1,000's of miles away in bunkers.

Doesn't sound mentally stable to me.

Shame you brought politics into it when people have died because a mental illness went untreated and festered for so long. Nobody is going to come in here saying 'but the left!'. That's an old trope that gets rolled out all the time, but it's not the norm.


in my eyes neo-nazis, extremists, radicals etc. are all mentally ill in a way. that just doesn't excuse anything. we have to try to understand what makes these people commit such a crime...


Mental illness is not an excuse. It's an explanation. Why did he think what he did about underground bunkers? What is written in the dozens upon dozens of binders behind him in his picture? Paranoia delusions is my guess. If you think you can flip the script on this with that BS then think again. Nobody is excusing murder. What you're trying to do is blame it on people you don't agree with politically. This Isn’t some dust-ups between protesters. This is outright planned murder. This Isn’t an ideology it's a brain disorder.

A better question is how did this clearly mentally ill man have a gun in Germany with their restrictive gun laws.


well, then there should be quite a lot of mentally ill people here at ats, if you look at some threads.

yes, good question. how can someone like that legally own a gun? he worked quite normally and probably never noticed doing anything negative. unfortunately, you can't look people in the head.
edit on 20-2-2020 by oloufo because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 03:56 AM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: oloufo

Soooo... you DON'T think he was mentally ill?

Sounds like he killed Muslims because he thought the devil-worshipping child murderers were all 1,000's of miles away in bunkers.

Doesn't sound mentally stable to me.

Shame you brought politics into it when people have died because a mental illness went untreated and festered for so long. Nobody is going to come in here saying 'but the left!'. That's an old trope that gets rolled out all the time, but it's not the norm.


in my eyes neo-nazis, extremists, radicals etc. are all mentally ill in a way. that just doesn't excuse anything. we have to try to understand what makes these people commit such a crime...


Mental illness is not an excuse. It's an explanation. Why did he think what he did about underground bunkers? What is written in the dozens upon dozens of binders behind him in his picture? Paranoia delusions is my guess. If you think you can flip the script on this with that BS then think again. Nobody is excusing murder. What you're trying to do is blame it on people you don't agree with politically. This Isn’t some dust-ups between protesters. This is outright planned murder. This Isn’t an ideology it's a brain disorder.

A better question is how did this clearly mentally ill man have a gun in Germany with their restrictive gun laws.


assuming you are mentally unstable and you hang around in mostly far-right-wing forums where lies about muslims are sported and at some point you believe all of this and take action. doesn't the one who spreads these lies also bear a share of responsibility?
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posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 04:42 AM
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He probably heard what "der harte Kern" was planning and thought now is the time. They say more than 1000 people watched online. He had a WBK so he probably had a job and was a functioning part of society.
What we can't do know is fall for simple answers. The idea of cultural replacement is 100 years old and never went away really the refugee crisis gave it a push. The problem and the stupidity of it all won't go away with restrictions of free speech and laws, those crimes don't happen in the internet, that's maybe where they find their audience and validation, like the Christchurch guy but the problem is something else entirely.
There should be a much bigger hurdle mentally to harm and hurt other living beings, but the Western societies as a whole made it cool and right and normal. *
His manifesto is again a mixture of conspiracy theories and paranoia. But wouldn't we all on ATS and millions more be guilty if that's the red line?


*I mean it's mentally not far from the people who attack and assault politicians, police, firemen, first response people, etc. just with a weaker group as target. So my point is mostly detached individuals get hostile. To say it with die Ärzte "du hast nie gelernt dich artizukulieren...deine Springerstiefel sehnen sich nach Zärtlichkeit..." it's a social issue and as #ed up as it may sound if there'd be more social interactions in the real world where people like that actually meet with others and get validation for other talents and feel they're heard and not just a gear in the machine that has to function and shut up....


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posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 05:18 AM
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His last 'manifesto' video is still available here
www.bitchute.com...

The guy was a conspiracy theorist (of some sort) and was obviously paranoid. I looked for the vid because I wanted to hear for myself what he was all about. After watching it I can only conclude that he knew nothing, except for the weird ideas in his own mind...

The one thing that bothers me is the way he mentions "two other sources".... I sure hope he was acting alone!
edit on 20-2-2020 by KindraLaBelle because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 05:18 AM
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its sad that it happened, its also sad that people are calling him a right wing terrorists when he was just a terrorists.

Every time we affiliate a group to the terrorists you open the doors to an entire group of people being mistreated even if they are also against the act of terror. (yes even muslim should not be applied to a terror act)

Just call him what he was a terrorist, a coward but leave out what ever way this guy professed to lean because I am pretty sure he actually leaned his own way and not with a particular political party cause it sure sounds like he was more than a few fries short of a happy meal.
edit on 20-2-2020 by Irishhaf because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 05:31 AM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

Racism and nationalism are right wing, you'll have to deal with that.
Just like everybody on the left has to deal with antifa and communism being left.



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 05:45 AM
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a reply to: KindraLaBelle

Everything he says there the average Qanon poster would agree with and there are countless Youtube videos along the same lines, so if he is paranoid he's not the only one, there are a great many causes for anxiety with regards to modern society and most the result of deliberate intent of secret societies and religious groups, not everyone is going to remain calm, the problem is much deeper than the reaction of this individual.



posted on Feb, 20 2020 @ 05:51 AM
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a reply to: Peeple
Shooting 10 innocent people is not a right wing or left wing act, it was an act of terror .

Dude was crazy...



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