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The nwo could bring peace and harmony to mankind?

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posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 08:52 AM
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Now ive been wanting to ask this question for along time.
Why is everyone so agaisnt a one world government?
I have read abit on the nwo and i have seen how people predict the way the nwo will be run.
But then think about this, if the world was to come together, there were no borders or boundries, no different races or colours. Where a child in the congo has the equal privledges and chances in life as a whire child in america. Where every person is treated equaly, and money was no longer a issue in the world, as there is no need for it. Resources are spread across the whole world, there is no longer people like rupert murdock hording millions of dollars away. Just imagine a world were all assets are wipped and liqudated, then re-distributed throughout the whole world?
We are slowing our evolution with all of this boreders, we have to realize we are from all the same place, earth. There is no difference from me to some person in ethiopia. There is no difference between george bush and osama bind laden. We are all human, and insted of working for our own individual towns, communities, cities, or countries, we should be working for the benefit of the whole world. My theory of how people come up with ground breaking ideas if the sharing of ideas, so think if every person in the world had access to firstly education to creat these ideas in their heads, and then have access to the internet to share their ideas with other people to improve them or change them to fit someone else's ideas, then our technology advancement would hasten 100 fold.

To sum up what im trying to say is, what is the nwo isnt a bad thing? What if that these so called evil one world government people are just trying to think of the big picture of humanity? While people like G.W. Bush are the evil ones dividing the western world from the middle east?
Maybe i have jsut a too good faith in humans, that people out there are acturly thinking of the whole race rather than individual needs.




posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 09:19 AM
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Come on, not one reply?! Or did people not like their evil nwo conspiracy questioned?



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 09:53 AM
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I do think the beef with the alleged NWO is that they want a one world government with them as rulers. Picture the Kings and Surfs of yor.

I see nothing particularly wrong with a semi socialistic utopia. But there is always some greedy moron at the top that needs 12 million dollar chandeliers in the dining room. Until there are selfless people making the big decisions your NWO will be viewed as evil. Until war ceases and all people are treated equally your NWO will be viewed as evil. It's nice to dream but reality paints a different picture. That is the alleged reality of the alleged NWO.


Edit: Spelling

[edit on 3-10-2005 by ShadowHasNoSource]



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 10:01 AM
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Well why cant selfless people come into power?
Now i see why people sink their selves in gasoline and light themselves up....i wish i could suffer all that pain so a NWO like i explained could come into power.



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by wang
Well why cant selfless people come into power?


Because unless they come to power in a 'Westernized' country there's not much they will be able to do as far as influencing people around the world. And the only way to come to power in a Westernized country is to have lots and lots of money and be able to lie to a lot of people. The smartest and most capable leaders of the free world probably won't even get started in all the bull# of modern politics. It's so sad.



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 11:07 AM
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All of your assuptions about what would happen if there were a OWG installed are false. You start with the assumption that all peoples are able to live in a Western civilization. What if they don't want to? Of course, I'm assuming that you WANT western culture to survive and continue to lead the world. Or are you more into African or Asian tribal style government?

Redistributing all of the wealth of the richer nations would only make the entire world poor. It wouldn't make everyone rich. Besides that, you are advocating the theft of private property. Would there still be private property, or would the State own everything? To each according to his need. From each according to his ability.


Who would get to run the State? Elected representatives or appointed Czars? How would you decide how to group the voters? There would still have to be subsections for the local branches of the State to control. Therefore there would still be borders.

I could go on, but this is ridiculous. You have put absolutely ZERO thought into this. The warm fuzzies you get when you "Imagine" would quickly fade away once you realized what a disaster putting 6 billion "different" people under the rule of a super State would be.

What's wrong with the idea of Self-government?

DTOM,

Eric



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by wang
Well why cant selfless people come into power?


Because selfless people don't SEEK power.

DTOM,

Eric



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 12:20 PM
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this has been covered before,
but there is nothing wrong with a one world government, it would prove to be successful.



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 08:15 PM
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dontreadoneme, i never said that this one world government should be based on western culture, at the start of it, all cultures would be serperate, then in a thousands years or so when we become a single planet enitity we would then posses the culture of earth which i think would be a mixtures of all cultures.
Redistributing all the wealth in the world would not make everyone rich at all, yes im im saying that private property shouldnt exist, and everything should be own by not the state, but the world. In time once a government like this existsed, then the standards of living would increase. We might live in box houses for one generation, but as each generation the better the standard world be. You say each according to his needs, from each according to his ability, people can not gain ability without education. So a boy in new ganda doesnt have the same needs of me?
You make one good point, that i have come across myself in this theory.....who will run it? I dont believe that the people should be elected at all, democracy doesnt work. A thought at the top of my head would either be one of 2 things, first if abit more realistic yet there are some problems with it still. Make a selfless test of some sort testing people how how much they care about the betterment of the world on not themselves, the top thousand people who take the test will run this government. Or the more sci-fi solution to this problem, would be clone humans that are selfless. With the genome project still underway, havent been following it recently, but one day they will find the gene that makes people greed, and selfish. Clone a government to run the world. (even though i dont think the conservatives would like this)
The warm fuzzie feeling you say? Yes i do get a warm fuzzie feeling when i think about feeding, sheltering, educating the billions of poor people in the world. I also get a very cold dark feeling when i think of how much money people are hording away for their own personal gains while so many people are suffering.
Whats wrong with the idea of self government ey? Just look at the world, tell me this is a utopia?
Also this whole theory i do not think we ot could happen in our life time, because of all the ignorance out there. In time though....

By the way its not that i didnt put alot of thought into this, its just that this is a raw theory i have, which i do not have any structure of the government or how it will exactly would, as i am not a politician of any sort. Thats why i posted it here, to see if people would "try" to see the raw image ive presented, then add on their own ideas and change my idea to something that is perfect.



posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 10:32 PM
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I don't think it's the ideal concept of a one world government that is viewed as sinister. The concept,in and of itself,is hypothetically as good or bad as any other I suppose. What's considered evil are the ulterior motives and actions theorized about it. Satannic and/or totally corrupted world leaders committing heinous acts against humanity,total stripping of power and worth from anyone but the elite,loss of diversity and culture,etc. That's what's view as evil. A perfectly equal world of one is not inherently bad on paper and has long been considered,but cruel and unseen attacks on the world's populace in order to create a controlled global society for the elite to play with is another story.



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
this has been covered before,
but there is nothing wrong with a one world government, it would prove to be successful.


I have no doubt that it would be successful. But successful at what? I wouldn't oppose a OWG based on the concept of self-rule. I oppose the Superstate. The all-knowing, all-seeing, all-caring provider of human need. Communism hasn't even passed the "successful country" test. What would convince anyone that Collectivism would be anymore successful on a grander scale?

DTOM,

Eric



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by wang
dontreadoneme, i never said that this one world government should be based on western culture, at the start of it, all cultures would be serperate, then in a thousands years or so when we become a single planet enitity we would then posses the culture of earth which i think would be a mixtures of all cultures.


And you know all of this how? What happens in the mean time? Depopulation? Sustainable development?


Redistributing all the wealth in the world would not make everyone rich at all, yes im im saying that private property shouldnt exist, and everything should be own by not the state, but the world.


How are you going to get all of this "world property" away from the greedy, selfish people who have it now? How is the "world" going to own anything?


In time once a government like this existsed, then the standards of living would increase. We might live in box houses for one generation, but as each generation the better the standard world be. You say each according to his needs, from each according to his ability, people can not gain ability without education. So a boy in new ganda doesnt have the same needs of me?


So we're all going to have to struggle(suffer) in order to acheive this utopia? If we just do what you say, in a thousand years our gggggggggggggrandkids (assuming we've been approved to reproduce) will live in Utopia? I think not! BTW,Everything you do is learning! You don't have to be in a State-approved Education Center to get an education. And no, a boy in "New Ganda" (where is that?) doesn't have the same needs as you. You are not the same person therefore your needs can't possibly be the same.


You make one good point, that i have come across myself in this theory.....who will run it? I dont believe that the people should be elected at all, democracy doesnt work. A thought at the top of my head would either be one of 2 things, first if abit more realistic yet there are some problems with it still. Make a selfless test of some sort testing people how how much they care about the betterment of the world on not themselves, the top thousand people who take the test will run this government. Or the more sci-fi solution to this problem, would be clone humans that are selfless. With the genome project still underway, havent been following it recently, but one day they will find the gene that makes people greed, and selfish. Clone a government to run the world. (even though i dont think the conservatives would like this)


So you don't believe that people are smart enough to make their own decisions? Well, that's a comforting thought. If people aren't smart enough to take of themselves, how could they possibly be smart enough to take care of other people?


The warm fuzzie feeling you say? Yes i do get a warm fuzzie feeling when i think about feeding, sheltering, educating the billions of poor people in the world. I also get a very cold dark feeling when i think of how much money people are hording away for their own personal gains while so many people are suffering.


This is the problem with Statists. You've got all of the answers and if only the great unwashed would allow you to show them the light then the world would be a wonderful place. I'm sure all you want in return is the feeling you get inside for helping people. Yeah right.


Whats wrong with the idea of self government ey? Just look at the world, tell me this is a utopia?
Also this whole theory i do not think we ot could happen in our life time, because of all the ignorance out there. In time though....


This is the main difference between Individualists and Collectivists. The perfectibility of Man. I know that all of us are imperfect, therefore no one has any right to determine what another should be doing as long as the behavior is consistent with the beliefs espoused in the social contract. I've made no claim that self-rule would ever create a utopia. The only thing I would guarantee is that you would have the opportunity to make the most out of your life without fear of losing your life, liberty, or property. Not so with Statists. All you can guarantee is that we would get what the State determines you could or should have. The only rights that would exist would be arbitrary because those rights are retractable based on the whim of whoever happens to be at the reigns.


By the way its not that i didnt put alot of thought into this, its just that this is a raw theory i have, which i do not have any structure of the government or how it will exactly would, as i am not a politician of any sort. Thats why i posted it here, to see if people would "try" to see the raw image ive presented, then add on their own ideas and change my idea to something that is perfect.


I can see a OWG in which all men are created equal, with certain inalienable rights, that are endowed by the Creator. A place where their property is secure and their hopes for their posterity (family) are safe. I've seen your idea of utopia. It was a dismal failure because imperfect men (greedy and selfish) took advantage of the people to accomplish their goals. They road around in limos while the people waited in line for bread. Collectivism is destined to fail because you refuse to acknowledge the Imperfect Man. Maybe your sci-fi scenario would work. Let's call it Reeducation and change the world for the better. The best way to enslave a people is convince them that they are free.

Read Anthem by Ayn Rand. Your ideas for the future were penned in 1937.

DTOM,

Eric



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 08:05 AM
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yep life in NWO will be good...
....for about 2% of the world population

And the rest will sooner or later have to stand up for themselves and burn the damn thing to the ground



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by nukunuku
yep life in NWO will be good...
....for about 2% of the world population

And the rest will sooner or later have to stand up for themselves and burn the damn thing to the ground



Equality. Everyone has it as bad as you.



DTOM,

Eric



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 08:32 AM
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As covered in the other threads, the new world order does have its good points; we will all be united together and be able to travel the world without borders, etc. We will all be united as one.



posted on Mar, 11 2005 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by wang
Now ive been wanting to ask this question for along time.
Why is everyone so agaisnt a one world government?
I have read abit on the nwo and i have seen how people predict the way the nwo will be run.
But then think about this, if the world was to come together, there were no borders or boundries, no different races or colours. Where a child in the congo has the equal privledges and chances in life as a whire child in america. Where every person is treated equaly, and money was no longer a issue in the world, as there is no need for it. Resources are spread across the whole world, there is no longer people like rupert murdock hording millions of dollars away. Just imagine a world were all assets are wipped and liqudated, then re-distributed throughout the whole world?
We are slowing our evolution with all of this boreders, we have to realize we are from all the same place, earth. There is no difference from me to some person in ethiopia. There is no difference between george bush and osama bind laden. We are all human, and insted of working for our own individual towns, communities, cities, or countries, we should be working for the benefit of the whole world. My theory of how people come up with ground breaking ideas if the sharing of ideas, so think if every person in the world had access to firstly education to creat these ideas in their heads, and then have access to the internet to share their ideas with other people to improve them or change them to fit someone else's ideas, then our technology advancement would hasten 100 fold.

To sum up what im trying to say is, what is the nwo isnt a bad thing? What if that these so called evil one world government people are just trying to think of the big picture of humanity? While people like G.W. Bush are the evil ones dividing the western world from the middle east?
Maybe i have jsut a too good faith in humans, that people out there are acturly thinking of the whole race rather than individual needs.


OK the ONLY way to have a NWO without having the over-ruling government is to take the government out before it get too far. Trust me since about 1900's there has been so much speculation about the NWO and I have come to my own conclusion is there is a VERY powerful steering group at the top of the pyrimid.

These people want to control you in everyway shape and form, you say "oh it cannot be a bad thing: peace, harmony, equality blah, blah, blah. OK so you want peace and a loving land sorry but until the Entire world (together) rise and completely take out ALL governemnts and find out what 'they' know we cannot live in peace and harmony with so many secrets hiding. Or you can just let 'em take YOUR: Freedom, security, Will, creativity and anything else that cannot be controlled logically. Now unless people can wake up within 5 years or so then we will be systematically nackered.

The first human programming device was believe it or not the "Radio" then it was the "Television", if you step out of the box for just 1 second you will be out of the box forever. Then you can truly see for yourself what a mess the world REALLY is in. Not just propaganda and lies that you are force-fed by the media 'whores'.



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