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Trump Administration Deploying Border Patrol Tactical Units to Sanctuary Cities

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posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

To zero?

Nope

He is pro immigration

Cutting the numbers just means cutting the numbers

ALL countries adjust immigration numbers as they see fit

Trump is pro immigration




posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

To zero?

Nope

He is pro immigration

Cutting the numbers just means cutting the numbers

ALL countries adjust immigration numbers as they see fit

Trump is pro immigration


Then why is he cutting numbers when there are backlogs of those seeking legitimate immigration and increasing numbers of hopefuls?

Besides, even if he was actually pro immigration (in the sense that he raised the cap, streamlined the processes and dealt with the backlog) he would lose many of his most avid followers who have a right-wing agenda about exclusive nationality.



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: AutomateThis1

Majority of immigrants three, two, even one generation ago came illegally and were just thrown citizenship fresh off the boat to basically just vote.

Boston was a city built on illegal immigration, same as New York.

My grandfather was just shipped off to New York to meet an uncle, and landed in Halifax instead, guess they thought too many Italians were landing and diverted them to other ports.

Now days is a bit different tho obviously.


My German grandfather left Germany, enlisted in the US Navy, and fought against the Nazis. My Italian grandfather left Italy, enlisted in the Army, and ended up participating in the Vietnam War.

Just because there have been illegal immigrants in the past, doesn't mean every immigrant went about it illegally.

There are right ways and wrong ways to immigrate, just like there are smart ways and hard ways to do so.



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 09:27 PM
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Gonna be a flood of border crossings going south very soon.



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

To zero?

Nope

He is pro immigration

Cutting the numbers just means cutting the numbers

ALL countries adjust immigration numbers as they see fit

Trump is pro immigration


Then why is he cutting numbers when there are backlogs of those seeking legitimate immigration and increasing numbers of hopefuls?

Besides, even if he was actually pro immigration (in the sense that he raised the cap, streamlined the processes and dealt with the backlog) he would lose many of his most avid followers who have a right-wing agenda about exclusive nationality.


I’m pro immigration
So is the President

And ‘clearing the backlog’ isn’t a good reason to increase immigration levels. This isn’t clown world.

Maybe your pathetic failure of a prime minister can raise immigration levels to ‘infinity’ if she wants to.

If she doesn’t, then she hates brown people. Right?
edit on 18 2 2020 by Breakthestreak because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 19 2020 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: nugget1
The Democrats already have plans of changing and amending laws that will limit the authority our Commander in Chief has.

Ahem... they are powerless to do anything. They need the Senate to enact any meaningful legislation, and not only do they not have the Senate, this November, they will be losing the House as well.



posted on Feb, 19 2020 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

To zero?

Nope

He is pro immigration

Cutting the numbers just means cutting the numbers

ALL countries adjust immigration numbers as they see fit

Trump is pro immigration


Then why is he cutting numbers when there are backlogs of those seeking legitimate immigration and increasing numbers of hopefuls?

Besides, even if he was actually pro immigration (in the sense that he raised the cap, streamlined the processes and dealt with the backlog) he would lose many of his most avid followers who have a right-wing agenda about exclusive nationality.

I’m pro immigration
So is the President

And ‘clearing the backlog’ isn’t a good reason to increase immigration levels. This isn’t clown world.

Maybe your pathetic failure of a prime minister can raise immigration levels to ‘infinity’ if she wants to.

If she doesn’t, then she hates brown people. Right?


You see, you continue to make absurdist comparisons as if it proves your case. No, it isn't clown world.

Immigration must have a reason and serve a purpose. It isn't a random act. The people allowed to migrate should have a reason to do so and be able to contribute positively to the country. Many of the people are trying to get away from corrupt and dictatorial societies, with elevated levels of crime and violence and where they cannot escape poverty despite willingness to work hard. Or they are merely trying to reunite with family that have already migrated.

They are trying to improve the situation for themselves and their children and they can't get to some idyllic island, so they arrive at your Southern border.

Ask yourself, why the Northern border is patrolled and policed differently to the Southern? Why doesn't it have backlogs where people wait for years for some sort of governmental response?

Immigration, to a certain extent, is a humanitarian response to need. Much of the political turmoil of Southern American states is due to US involvement and the flood of emigres fleeing that turmoil is also a manufactured condition.

Also, we don't have any immigration backlog in New Zealand. That means that we are dealing with the applications in good measure and that our immigration caps are not arbitrary or insufficient.

The difference between the two countries in this argument starkly illustrates how bad policy decisions, across several different governmental terms and leaderships, have created a problem.



posted on Feb, 19 2020 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

The two situations couldn't be more different.

What are the numbers of people attempting to immigrate to NZ? What are the percentages of illegal to legal immigration?

Don't you think that the fact that NZ is an island nation, somewhat isolated in the South Pacific might also have something to do with this?

It's much more difficult for someone to stow away on a ship to sneak into NZ, than it is for someone to hop a bus and ride to America.



posted on Feb, 19 2020 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: BomSquad
a reply to: chr0naut

The two situations couldn't be more different.

What are the numbers of people attempting to immigrate to NZ? What are the percentages of illegal to legal immigration?

Don't you think that the fact that NZ is an island nation, somewhat isolated in the South Pacific might also have something to do with this?

It's much more difficult for someone to stow away on a ship to sneak into NZ, than it is for someone to hop a bus and ride to America.


I agree.

So why try and make the comparison?



posted on Feb, 19 2020 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Uh, because people from the north of America don’t ‘sneak’ into the States by the hundreds of thousands and rape and murder and steal and leech of the welfare system en masse.

Maybe that has something to do with the border security differences?

“They’re fleeing”

Yeah right



posted on Feb, 19 2020 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

Also, we don't have any immigration backlog in New Zealand. That means that we are dealing with the applications in good measure and that our immigration caps are not arbitrary or insufficient.

The difference between the two countries in this argument starkly illustrates how bad policy decisions, across several different governmental terms and leaderships, have created a problem.


Immigration to New Zealand
According to the above link, gross arrivals in New Zealand in 2016 was 127,305 people. This was to an island nation with no land borders.

Immigration to the United States
According to the above link and according to the 2016 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics, the United States admitted a total of 1.18 million legal immigrants in 2016.

I wonder if the US has 10 times the immigration personnel as New Zealand to be able to process the 10 times number of legal immigrants.

To put this further in perspective...
Key findings about U.S. immigrants

The United States has more immigrants than any other country in the world. Today, more than 40 million people living in the U.S. were born in another country, accounting for about one-fifth of the world’s migrants in 2017. The population of immigrants is also very diverse, with just about every country in the world represented among U.S. immigrants.


As to why the northern border of the US is treated differently than the southern border...

Most people who live in or emmigrate to Canada tend to like it there and do not feel an overwhelming need to migrate further south. That and population north of the US is 37.59 million while the population south of the US is 596.23 million also means that there is a larger potential for shenanigans at the southern border compared to the northern.



posted on Feb, 19 2020 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

Uh, because people from the north of America don’t ‘sneak’ into the States


Of course, they do. Especially criminal ones. In fact, drug cartel bosses from South America usually fly into Canada on temporary visas, under false names, and cross the barely controlled northern border by preference. That is because the criminals have the money to afford air travel.


by the hundreds of thousands and rape and murder and steal and leech of the welfare system en masse.


You are assuming that crime in the US is imported. The vast majority is caused by the actions of US citizens.

According to incarceration figures, there is a disproportionate number of Africa-Americans convicted of crimes (more than 50%). I don't think they are the ones coming in over the Southern border.

Race and crime in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Maybe that has something to do with the border security differences?


Absolutely. There is hardly any effort to stop illegal entry to the US over the Northern Border. There is significant evidence that organized crime, and wealthier criminals, use the Northern border by preference.


“They’re fleeing”

Yeah right


Yes.



posted on Feb, 19 2020 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: BomSquad

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

Also, we don't have any immigration backlog in New Zealand. That means that we are dealing with the applications in good measure and that our immigration caps are not arbitrary or insufficient.

The difference between the two countries in this argument starkly illustrates how bad policy decisions, across several different governmental terms and leaderships, have created a problem.


Immigration to New Zealand
According to the above link, gross arrivals in New Zealand in 2016 was 127,305 people. This was to an island nation with no land borders.

Immigration to the United States
According to the above link and according to the 2016 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics, the United States admitted a total of 1.18 million legal immigrants in 2016.

I wonder if the US has 10 times the immigration personnel as New Zealand to be able to process the 10 times number of legal immigrants.


I can't see why not. The US has roughly 68 times as many people as New Zealand. It isn't unreasonable for governmental agencies to have proportionally similar representation.


To put this further in perspective...
Key findings about U.S. immigrants

The United States has more immigrants than any other country in the world. Today, more than 40 million people living in the U.S. were born in another country, accounting for about one-fifth of the world’s migrants in 2017. The population of immigrants is also very diverse, with just about every country in the world represented among U.S. immigrants.


As to why the northern border of the US is treated differently than the southern border...

Most people who live in or emmigrate to Canada tend to like it there and do not feel an overwhelming need to migrate further south. That and population north of the US is 37.59 million while the population south of the US is 596.23 million also means that there is a larger potential for shenanigans at the southern border compared to the northern.


But the really big criminals, use the Northern border.

Most terrorists and many other criminals enter the US directly, by air, their 'shipments' by air and sea ports. For example, most of the 911 terrorists flew in from Saudi Arabia and big criminals can even afford their own private yachts and aircraft.

And, then there's this...

Crime Along the Mexican Border Is Lower Than in the Rest of the Country - Cato Indstitute

edit on 19/2/2020 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)




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