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"A Mothers Pride" of her suicide attacker son.

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posted on Aug, 26 2002 @ 10:18 PM

In Gaza, the mother of a Palestinian suicide attacker who killed two Israelis before being shot dead has spoken of her feelings about her son's actions.

A video released by Hamas shows a proud mother taking up arms beside her favorite son.

First a warm embrace, then a loving kiss.

Naima al-Obeid was saying goodbye to her 23-year-old Mahmoud, a college student on his way to carry out a suicide attack.

"God willing you will succeed," she says.

"May every bullet hit its target, and may God give you martyrdom. This is the best day of my life."

Mahmoud says: "Thank you for raising me."

Naima got her wish.

Mahmoud was shot dead attacking the Jewish settlement of Dugit in the Gaza Strip on Saturday.

Deaths celebrated

Two Israeli soldiers were killed in the ambush.

Their deaths are being celebrated near Mahmoud's home.

We found crowds coming to the mourning tent - and not just because of him.

People here aren't just remembering Mahmoud - they are honouring his mother.

She has become a heroine, being talked about on the streets, praised in the local papers.

Some Palestinians are taking a great deal of pride in a mother who saw her son go to kill and die without shedding a tear.

They are already saying she will inspire other women to do the same.

Heaven and hell

In her home, in Gaza, she showed me pictures of the son she calls "my heart".

She had no sympathy for the dead Israelis, no regrets over the loss of her own son.

"Nobody wants their son to be killed. I always wanted him to have a good life.

"But our land is occupied by the Israelis. We're sacrificing our sons to get our freedom," she told me.

I asked her if it mattered whether her son killed women and children.

"The women and children are also Jews," she said, "They're all the same for me.

"And I want to tell Jewish mothers - take your children and run from here because you will never be safe. We believe our sons go to heaven when they are martyred. When your sons die they go to hell."

Naima is surrounded by well-wishers, no one asking why she gave her son a licence to kill.

She has nine more children, whom, she says, all have a duty to fight the Israeli occupation.

Hamas Claims Jerusalem Suicide Bombing

The bomber's father said Hamas directed his son.

Hazaa al-Ghoul told Reuters he received a telephone call from a Hamas official to inform him that his son, Mohammed al-Ghoul, carried out the attack. The bomber killed 19 people on the bus crowded with schoolchildren and office workers.

Mohammed al-Ghoul was a student of Islamic studies at al-Najah University in the West Bank city of Nablus. He had apparently disappeared about three days ago. His father told Reuters from his home in the al-Fara refugee camp, near Nablus, that he was "very happy" to hear that his son was the bomber.

Hamas did not issue a written claim of responsibility for the bombing, the latest in a string of suicide attacks against Israelis since a Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation began in September 2000 after peace talks deadlocked.

[Edited on 8-27-2002 by William One Sac]

posted on Aug, 26 2002 @ 10:37 PM
With a twisted mind set like that,I'm thinking peace is very unlikely.

posted on Aug, 26 2002 @ 10:42 PM
These are sick people we are dealing with...

posted on Aug, 28 2002 @ 01:47 PM
That is twisted. What's the world coming to? How can anyone parent want that for their child.

Excuse me for not having a 'link' here but I read somewhere a recruiter for Hamas' homicide bombing 'faction,' for lack of a better description, called someone else in the Hamas organization and got his wife on the phone. The recruiter said he wanted to speak to her son about becoming a homicide bomber. The women told the recruiter that she wouldn't let her son become one.

Arafat has already been offered statehood. Arafat's net worth was estimated at 10 Billion dollars. Money that comes from the U.S., E.U., and Arab nations Arafat considers being his own. There are about 2 million people in the west bank and he has 10 billion??? - do the math. Their own leader oppresses them more than Israel.

I also find it bizarre that Arafat's wife lives in Paris? No jihad for her?

posted on Aug, 28 2002 @ 01:55 PM
Well he can't be having his ole lady get hurt now can he.

If he supported his own country then he couldn't have a holy war.They would be happy,and have know need to kill Jew's.

posted on Aug, 31 2002 @ 11:12 PM

...but consider that these same people (and many others no doubt) would say that Americans are sick and evil etc when they cheer on their troops into battle. persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter is another persons hero...


posted on Sep, 1 2002 @ 02:21 PM
what a world we live in . i agree alien , it's all a matter of which view your looking from . peace treaties should stop wasting their time . .. . .

posted on Sep, 1 2002 @ 04:47 PM
Enough of the relative morality crap. If a society glorifies those who murder innocent people; women, children, concombatants, then it is a society in dire need of being wiped off the arse of the planet.
Having said that, let me say that it is not all of the Palestinians who have this mindset. I do feel they are in the minority, though.

posted on Sep, 1 2002 @ 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Enough of the relative morality crap. If a society glorifies those who murder innocent people; women, children, concombatants, then it is a society in dire need of being wiped off the arse of the planet.
Having said that, let me say that it is not all of the Palestinians who have this mindset. I do feel they are in the minority, though.

Would you include American Society in there TC?? Given that a great many of those bombs/bullets loosed by US Troops have found their mark in the bodies and homes of women, children, non-combatants....


posted on Sep, 1 2002 @ 09:24 PM
Yeah, Alien, we intentionally target women and children; we blow up pizzaries with kids playing, we send a teenager with explosives and nails into crowded shopping areas for maximum civilian casualties - to compare casualties of war to bloody terrorism is idiotic. It shouldn't even have to be differentiated, but apparently peoiple think they are being philosophical when they compare the two.
Once again, let's drop the moral relativity bull crap and be honest.

Speaking of honesty, do a little research and find out that they (the Palestinians) have no claim to the West Bank or Gaza in the first place, and do a little reading on what the Palestian leadership's real goal is, and then rationalize to me why sending brainwashed kids into a university cafe is the same thing as an AC-141 tearing up an alleged wedding reception where alleged partiers were stupid enough to cut loose with gunfire where troops are trying to route out the bad guy. Bull Crap!!!

posted on Sep, 1 2002 @ 10:30 PM
I don't believe I'm being philosophical at all TC. I see death as death...regardless of how you cut it...intentional or not many innocents have been killed due to US Military Action.

Those feeling the brunt of it would probably consider the American Soldiers the terrorists, the invaders upon THEIR soil.

Yes...there is a difference...but the difference STILL doesn't make it squeaky clean and/or right.

You speak about wanting the truth...well then take the truth...the good WITH the bad.


[Edited on 2-9-2002 by alien]

posted on Sep, 2 2002 @ 05:56 AM
To the person that assumes room temperature, death is death. But all homocide is not murder, and while noncombatant deathregretful it does not make it a crime.

And, let's not forget that we are responding to invaders that killedalmost 3,000 noncombatants.

The correlation is the same as saying that the death of a robber at the hands of his target is the same as the death of the target at the hands of the robber.
No, I disagree in the strongest of terms.
I know the truth. It isn't that complicated. I know that in every war, civilians get killed. That is the sad hazards of war. And up until the last couple of decades, civilian casualties were much higher and totally expected.

Terrorism and warfare is not the same thing, Alien, period. Tracking down and killing those who have declared war on America is not terrorism, and you know that. Although it probably isn't accomplishing as much as they think it is.

posted on Sep, 2 2002 @ 09:58 AM
"And, let's not forget that we are responding to invaders that killedalmost 3,000 noncombatants"

and lets not forget that our response has killed 6000 noncombatants not including those who died and are continuing to die from disease, famine and of course unexploded cluster bombs.

posted on Sep, 2 2002 @ 04:07 PM
So noncombatant deaths are regretful now are they...

...I'm sure those who have felt the sting of those regretful deaths will appreciate knowing that at least their family members removal from life is regretted by those doing it.

"Opps...whoopsie...just blew ya kids apart...awefully sorry about apologies...there, all better now??"

Yes over 3,000 people lost their lives to spur this on...but how many deaths were suffered to bring THAT on and how many deaths will follow after it...its a vicious cycle TC...hit and be hit...when innocents are killed justice is on NO ONES side.


posted on Sep, 2 2002 @ 05:45 PM
At the WTC civilians were intentionaly killed.The U.S. military is not intentionaly trying to kill any civilians.However Al-quada,Hamas and other terrorists groups make there living killing innocents.So the terrorist perspective is twisted.

posted on Sep, 2 2002 @ 08:40 PM
What's the matter with you? You took a stupid pill and don't understand war, or is it not important until New Zealand is in danger?
When New Zealand, Australia, and the rest of the Pacific was in danger of saluting the Rising Sun flag from thereon end, the war that ensued claimed civilian lives as well, and that was regretful as well. As a matter of fact, the number of non-combatant deaths then is nothing compared to now as we bend over backwards to fight a new kind of war of kindness.
There's no use in continuing. If you can't see the difference between civilians getting caught in "crossfire", and intentionally targetting the defenseless, logic won't get through from me, either.

I wonder how loving you'd feel if it were your nation attacked, and your countrymen killed. Don't try and answer, you don't know; yet.

posted on Sep, 2 2002 @ 10:54 PM

Originally posted by nyeff
At the WTC civilians were intentionaly killed.The U.S. military is not intentionaly trying to kill any civilians.

Regardless of whether it's someone's *intention* to target civilians or not, killing is still killing. You know what the road to Hell is paved with, don'cha?

Yes TC, at least *some* of us can see the difference between "not-intentionally targeted" civilians killed by "normal" war & "intentionally targeted" civilians killed by terrorism, but that doesn't make the "non-intentional" deaths any more justifiable, no matter who is intentionally targeting who.

posted on Sep, 3 2002 @ 05:41 AM
Who said anything about justifiable? It is bad, certainly, that a woman or child or an elderly be killed. Is it to be expected that nations make reasonable attempts to avoid and minimize such occurances? Of course. Does it mean that you may not make war to protect one's self because their may be "collateral damge"? No; do you think the enemy that will conquer such a weak nation will be so concerned? No, obviously not. Not when it is clear throughout the world that the murder of the infidel is not a bad thing to them.

Imagine not going to war against Hitler because the people of Heilbronn would get killed. The one good thing that would have come of it is stringent standards in making beer. No Bud!

posted on Sep, 3 2002 @ 10:38 AM
Yes MD I knoq what the road to hell is paved with.
It's a well paved road.

I have no love for innocents being killed.Thats one of the reasons I like the idea of small sqauds going in a getting terrorist's.

Does anybody have any better idea's. Saying just leave them be would foolish.At this point in time talking also seems foolish.People that are bent on killing civilians are not very reasonable.I think this is also the world's problem,not just the U.S.

So are there any realistic ideas out there?

posted on Sep, 6 2002 @ 07:20 PM
there will NEVER be peace in palestine unless isrealis get the #out fast.

and it is in the HUMAN NATURE to kill each others,
not in the military or civillian or terrorist or...
we are all HUMAN.

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