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medicare for all by jon oliver

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posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 07:55 AM
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Does it take into account the loss of medical decisions citizens will be able to make? Like the who, what, and when? Govt says you don't need back surgery. Govt says you are not eligible for kidney replacement because of your age/health. Govt says it's a 6 month wait to see a specialist, if you even get approved at all.




posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 07:57 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: stormson
so we should listen to a foreign comedian about how to fix our healthcare system?
seriously?




Why not. People listen to an obese college dropout journalist / film maker in Michael Moore on a wide range of topics and elected a bar tender on how to create the perfect planetary ecosystem.
edit on 18-2-2020 by Stupidsecrets because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: Stupidsecrets



Why not

he has been right about so many things previously.......



oops
be careful what you wish for



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 08:24 AM
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Would it be cheaper overall to have a single payer healthcare system? Probably not simply because so many illegal aliens are abusing it as we speak, and that would give the whole freakin world access to our government funded healthcare; they just fly in/drive across, get covered for all medical procedures, then leave while WE pay the bill. Also, government run healthcare has proven that they will determine who lives and who dies. Remember that poor kid in England? Government wouldn't let his parents transport him to Italy for treatment, basically said he needed to die and let him and wouldn't let the parents take him. FUBAR

Won't let that happen to my kids, sorry......



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: stormson
www.youtube.com...

jon oliver broke down "medicare for all" on his show "last week tonight".


no he didn't... he framed the conversation and set up straw men to make his predetermined points and arguments.

that's what the show format is, they will never include any arguments that would go against his framing. its a worn out formula and it results in misinformed people, but he can't be held accountable because its just a comedy show.



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 09:31 AM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi
Does it take into account the loss of medical decisions citizens will be able to make? Like the who, what, and when? Govt says you don't need back surgery. Govt says you are not eligible for kidney replacement because of your age/health. Govt says it's a 6 month wait to see a specialist, if you even get approved at all.


So just like the current insurance we have but you dont get #ed by out of network suprises or super high deductibles?



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: lakenheath24
Really? Thr NHS is NOT the be all end all gold standard of healthcare. Waiting lines...months and months of waiting for an appointment. Chronic shortages of nurses and doctors. MRSA due to lack of hygiene. And remember when the power wnt off...couple of hospitals generators didnt work cuz maintenance has taken a funding hit.

And on, and on and on. Google NHS problems and you will see the downside tio a nationalized system.


a reply to: AngryCymraeg



Please don't believe all the scare stories. The NHS saved my life two years ago. I had a bite on my elbow (never found out if it was a spider or a mozzie) that I scratched a bit too hard at about 3am. By noon my elbow was swollen and by the time my wife got home from the school she was teaching I had a red line going up my arm. My wife took one look, said 'Blood poisoning, we are going to A&E right now" and drove me straight to the nearest hospital. I was seen within 20 minutes of getting there, diagnosed with the start of blood poisoning, had some blood taken out of me, had penicillin (or something like that) pumped in and was sent home with a week's worth of pills that looked frickin' huge. Total cost to me? £6 for the parking outside.



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: stormson

Because of my work, I spend $50 dollars a month on healthcare for my family of five. Show me in any projections how they will be able to cut my costs in their model.

Remember, you do not have all the information, but you will choose talking points over reality.


Your employer will still have the option of paying for all your healthcare. Whether it is through a higher wage or a paycheck stipend. The total cost of Medicare for all is the same as our total cost now. No reason it can't be worked out. getting people to understand is the difficult part.



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: stormson
one of the biggest points that i favor is that even if your taxes go up, it will be less than what you are spending in your current plan simply because you dont have to worry about surprise bills.

Yeah, and if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale...


you know the bills that come because your insurance didnt cover whatever it is.

Better than dying because MforA won't even let you get a life saving procedure because you're too old.

Believe the lies if you want...



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 03:36 PM
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My solution:

1. A small catastrophic medical tax. Maybe similar to medicaid tax. This would cover all of these people that go to the emergency room that have no insurance. If the problem is catastrophic, then it is covered. This would save billions in tax write offs and keep hospitals in low income area's afloat. It would be a pre tax so it would not count as taxable income.


2. No longer allow medical insurance companies to be publicly traded on the stock market. Allow them to remain businesses but force them into a coop scenario where they share any profit with their customers instead of board members dictating their financial gains, the customers would.

3. All costs or all procedures must be provided up front on a website that anyone can view.

4. Allow anyone to purchase ANY plan from ANY state they would like. Allow people to buy in bulk with other people so they can get discounts that at this time are only available to companies.



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 04:54 PM
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originally posted by: wheresthebody
a reply to: stormson

I feel so bad for americans, so many people needing help, I really hope that they can sort this out.


We don’t need you to feel sorry for us. If I want to go to the doctor I make an appointment and go with no waiting. I choose who I want to see. I am responsible for paying for my medical care. I like my freedom to choose and be responsible for myself.



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: stormson

Jon Oliver is British, and speaking as a fellow Brit your 'healthcare system', or rather utter hollow joke of a system, is utter madness. Medical bills should not be a major cause of bankruptcy. And yet, in the USA, it is.



The plan for the massesby the Gov IS TO FLATLY DENY service to the 'unwashed masses'.


www.redstate.com...

OR



Did you see this about not serving people based on racism. So,

nationalfile.com...

WHO DECIDES what is racist?

Free speech is on the chopping block folks. Gov owned medical facilties are the definition of COMMUNIST and they are already planning who gets served based on POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

RESIST these globalist who would pretend to bring these services only to pull them for the elderly and anybody else the Politburo calls 'useless'.

Kick any of the professionals out if they are not following the Hippocratic oath.

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posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 06:18 PM
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This is a good solution! I would say that needs formalized.


originally posted by: Fools
My solution:

1. A small catastrophic medical tax. Maybe similar to medicaid tax. This would cover all of these people that go to the emergency room that have no insurance. If the problem is catastrophic, then it is covered. This would save billions in tax write offs and keep hospitals in low income area's afloat. It would be a pre tax so it would not count as taxable income.


2. No longer allow medical insurance companies to be publicly traded on the stock market. Allow them to remain businesses but force them into a coop scenario where they share any profit with their customers instead of board members dictating their financial gains, the customers would.

3. All costs or all procedures must be provided up front on a website that anyone can view.

4. Allow anyone to purchase ANY plan from ANY state they would like. Allow people to buy in bulk with other people so they can get discounts that at this time are only available to companies.



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 06:27 PM
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Seems to me that all it would really take is for the government to require that anyone getting a medical doctor degree is required to spend at least two years either in the military or in community service at basic pay. This would allow people to at least have a chance at getting affordable medical care before the doctors are whisked up to their mansions and no longer want to deal with ordinary people and their filthy lack of money.
edit on 18-2-2020 by Blue Shift because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: Justoneman

Thanks



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: stormson

Because of my work, I spend $50 dollars a month on healthcare for my family of five. Show me in any projections how they will be able to cut my costs in their model.

Remember, you do not have all the information, but you will choose talking points over reality.



$50 a month? no deductible? no surprise bills? how the f did you swing that?!

if everyone had that, no one would complain about a thing!



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift
Seems to me that all it would really take is for the government to require that anyone getting a medical doctor degree is required to spend at least two years either in the military or in community service at basic pay. This would allow people to at least have a chance at getting affordable medical care before the doctors are whisked up to their mansions and no longer want to deal with ordinary people and their filthy lack of money.

Why just doctors?
Why not nightclub djs?
Whats with the special treatment?



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
John Oliver is an idiot.

I want the freedom to choose my healthcare and not have it dictated to me by an incompetent federal government.


choice?

as oliver pointed out, your choice is an illusion. your choice is whatever bid lowest for your company. or whatever you can afford on the open market.

your choice is a monthly payment for something that might not cover what you need done and give you a surprise bill later.

what if everything you needed were covered and you never had a surprise bill?



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: okrian

how much will it cost, and what kind of track record does the new provider have with 330 million customers? Will I have the same level of service I have now?

I'm not mocking you, I want to know these answers. You are for this, so I'd have to assume you have the answers.


no one knows the actual cost, but you can snowball it.

the insurance companies make billions in profit just off premiums. so if everyone just switched over to giving their premiums to the gov, the gov would get all those billions in profit. more, actually, since all the people in the insurance companies that deny coverage would no longer be necessary. matter of fact, more than half of all the people that currently work for insurance companies would lose their jobs. all that extra payroll and benefit payouts is now freed up, so the gov has even more money to use on healthcare.

you would no longer have a premium, but would pay that premium in tax. however, you wouldnt have a deductible or a surprise "this isnt covered" bill later, because everything would be covered. so in the long run you would save money and get better care.



posted on Feb, 18 2020 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
a reply to: stormson

Medicare for all scares me a bit.
I never hear full details of how certain things would go.

Say you need surgery. Right now, you can choose the very best surgeon in the country, if you want to pay more.
If medicare for all is implemented, can I still choose to go to the better, more expensive surgeon?
If I can't, and everything costs the same, what's the incentive for a surgeon to be the best?
They can't charge more for a better product anymore, so why have a better product?

Same goes for all doctors.
People always hate on American healthcare, but always leave out that we have the best of everything here, because there is incentive to be better here.
Our research and practitioners are the best in the world, because of how our system is set up.
It needs some fine tuning, for sure, and we need to get crooked politicians hands out of the cookie jar.
We don't need an entire overhaul.


only the rich get the best.

the mediocre get mediocre. your level of care, unless youre stupid rich, will not change.

also, this is america. i really cant see how congress would outlaw private practice. so the opportunity to pay for the best would still be there. think of it like plastic surgery. most insurance would cover it, but its a thriving business and people pay for it.

if this were to seriously come up for a vote, which i dont expect to see in my lifetime, it would probably start as a medical tax that everyone pays. you can then get a private plan, or set up a savings account, to pay for the best.

however, medicare for all will never work if a tax isnt applied to every single person getting a paycheck. this is why it will never come up for a vote.



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