Im tired of Barr and all of those telling Trump to not talk about corruption

a reply to: Grambler

Barr is a great guy, maybe he is getting everything together before he locks all the criminals up, but i havent seen any evidence of that.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: carewemust

Why is Brennan still not charged?

Let's look at the precedent set with Andy McCabe... The Inspector General recommended that former Asst. FBI Director Andy McCabe be charged with Lying to Investigators. The DOJ took a look at it, and sat on it for so long, a federal judge ordered the DOJ to either charge McCabe, or let him off the hook. The judge gave the DOJ until 11/15/2019 to do one or the other.

Andy McCabe is still on CNN badmouthing President Trump. I guess that tells us which path the DOJ took when it came to prosecuting him.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

I've seen/read the interview, and the thread you referenced. William Barr didn't say anything when President Trump decried the Mueller Investigation as a corrupt witch-hunt..at least 100 times...on Twitter and during press conferences. Barr was Mueller's boss. A slap at Mueller was an indirect slap at Sessions first, and Barr after he took over the DOJ.

Ahhhh... Gotcha. Didn't realize you were trying to qualify Barr's words... Just thought you were asking for confirmation/sources.

I won't make excuses for Barr. He has the power. He knows his way around The Swamp. If he wanted to get the job done, he would have already.

a reply to: carewemust

Yep

Barr is right now recommending prison sentence to stone, a trump ally, for lying to Congress

Yet despite the fact I can prove definitively all of these intel people lied to Congress , Barr declines to even charge any of them

Clapper, Brennan, comey, McCabe


So if barr is really about draining the swamp, why go after only trump people?

Yet I am suppose to listen to this guy tell trump to not publicly discuss this corruption?

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: randomtangentsrme

Let me try to break this down, I tried to on my op

What are the chances barr is actually investigating corruption?

I’d put it at 10 percent given comey Brennan etc walk free

But pick your own number

Now the potential downside you are concerned about is judicial independence

Do you think trumps tweet influenced Barr’s decision? Probably not, neither do I

So it’s not that you are worried about judicial independence, it’s that you are worried the Dems will claim this interferes with it

I would say there is a 99.9999 percent chance the Dems were going to say that regardless of whether or not trump tweeted



Now the down side of trump not tweeting is if barr is not investigating corruption, then all of trumps allies asking him not to tweet are saying the American people should basically be kept in the dark about corruption because barr will solve it all

Now I j ow, the republicans or the media could discuss this corruption with the American people , but they don’t in an effective way, as we have seen


So now we come to the point where we tell trump to stop informing the American people about about corruption (a huge loss) based on the .00001 percent chance his tweets could influence the Dems to accuse barr of not being independent when they otherwise wouldn’t have

I agree it's all about optics. I'm surprised you still have such a naive demeanor about the political process after running for office.

All respect to you. And my disagreement is not about what you said, it's about how politics are done.
It's my bed time. Will follow up if needed.

a reply to: Boadicea

Hope I'm wrong, but it feels like the Deep-State (CIA?) that Chuck Schumer said would get Trump, have gotten to both Trump and Barr. Maybe the same way they forced General Michael Flynn to sign a confession: "If you don't do what we demand, you can kiss your son goodbye." (It could be son, daughter, wife, anyone you care deeply about.)

I was especially pissed when Barr said he wasn’t going to investigate Comey, WTF? I want to see people start being held accountable for their actions. I read some thing’s about Barr that made me not trust the guy to make some critical arrest of guilty officials. Everyone said to wait it’s coming but.......nope, nada, zilch. Tire of watching these a-holes walk around untouched especially HRC, Comey, Strzok....,.

Yep no faith in Barr whatsoever.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

Oh don’t think I took offense to anything

To the contrary, I had a great time with our conversation, and agreeing with everyone is boring

The optics do matter, absolutely

But what you fail to take into account is the optics of trump saying nothing

Cause barr will say nothing, the republicans will say nothing

Strassel and other great people will celebrate that the swamp is being drained when nothing but a sentence getting reduce gets done

The corruption that occurred in the river stone trial would have barely been mentioned


And what is the problem with the optics of trump tweeting?

Dems that called for his head will continue to call for his head

It is time for trump Barr and republicans to stop living in fear of how Dems will use optics

The corruption is blatant and overwhelming

Call it out 24 7 every day every where to the American people

Avoiding that cuz it will anger the Dems is how we got here, with not one person charged

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: carewemust

Yep

Barr is right now recommending prison sentence to stone, a trump ally, for lying to Congress

Yet despite the fact I can prove definitively all of these intel people lied to Congress , Barr declines to even charge any of them

Clapper, Brennan, comey, McCabe


So if barr is really about draining the swamp, why go after only trump people?

To be fair, William Barr has turned over the Obama Spygate suspects to John Durham. And, he has the Pittsburg Federal Prosecutors office receiving information from Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine related corruption.

Barr is more focused on being a conservative, tough AG when it comes to Sanctuary Cities, restoring prayer to public schools, tightening immigration laws, and several other things that directly impact American lives every day.

Guess I disagree.

I believe Trump & Barr are a great team. And sometimes they play roles that confuse the enemy. Fine with me.

I believe Barr's values at this stage of his life--after seeing a lot of evildoers & evil deeds in D.C. are very much in concert with Trump's values.

Evidently per a hint from Barr--i.e. that The Dems will have a LOT more to worry about than Stone before March 30's congressional question session--evidently some more serious stuff will be outed, surface, hit the news than heretofore. I sure hope so.

originally posted by: Grambler
Its late, im grouchy, lets do a thread

Bill Barr wants trump to stop tweeting about the blatant corruption from the deep state.

Ok, I can see his point. Maybe Barr is doing a great job, and trump in his ear and the american peoples hinders that.

But what if thats not what is going on?

What if, and this may blow your mind, Barr isnt doing anything of significance? What if he is convincing trump he is draining the swamp, but hasnt done anything?



Now you may say that we should do what we do anytime we want to figure out what the truth is, look at the facts before us.

Ok, lets look at some facts.



We know the IG recommended prosecuting comey, Barr declined

We know epstien didnt kill himself and their needs to be an investigation into if some elite murdered him to prevent his crimes with them being outed; barr disagrees

We know that at the very least it is absolutely undisputed and viewable by anyone with access to cspan or the internet that James clapper lied to congress blatantly twice (Comey, brennan did as well, but lets focus on one). And yet despite the fact even a fat no connected rube like me could easily see this, barr has refused to prosecute, even though he recommends Stone face prison time for lying to congress.

Why should I, or trump have faith in Barr given these facts?



Now lets look at some more facts. Trump was spied on, harassed, impeached, had his entire life an families lives be turned upside down, investigated his whole presidency, smeared as a rapist, nazi, racist Putin stooge almost constantly on the media, been leaked against, been publicly rebuked by the exact same intel officials that engaged in all of this illegal behavior against him, and all of this is still ongoing despite the evidence of corruption being totally in the open.

And yet neither of trumps ag's charged anyone of consequence with a crime.

Do you think he has the right to be angry?



We know the media doesnt report to the american people this corruption almost at all. We know the republicans do a terrible job of informing the american people; heck when nunes tried to , the republican controlled congress launched an ethics investigation into him.

We know the republicans and people like Barr or other officials have told trump over and over to not tell the public about the corruption, that he didnt need to get involved, theyd take care of it, and despite that, not one person of significance has been charged.

We know that q followers and others said that if trump was just quiet his team would start to hold the coup conspirators to justice, and this would wake up the normal americans and republicans would win in a landslide in 2018, and that didnt happen.



So if you are Barr, do you really blame trump for tweeting that the obvious corrupt sentence and trial of stone was a farce?

Maybe barr is the one who needs to shut up and do his job.

Hey Barr, if you read this, email me. Ill give you an open and shut case Brennan lied to congress in about ten minutes, you can start there.



Maybe all the republicans, trump media people, q followers, and other patriots today that criticized trump for telling the american people about the corruption in the stone case need to ask themselves how theyll feel in their faith in barr is wrong.



I dont know, maybe barr is a great guy, maybe he is getting everything together before he locks all the criminals up, but i havent seen any evidence of that.

But if he is someone really interested in outing corruption, he should appreciate people like me, and Trump, that are publicly calling out this corruption, and explain to the ameircan people why public congressional liars like brennan are allowed to walk free years after their lies.

Or maybe he should just shut up and do his job

a reply to: JoseGarcia

Why have clapper and Brennan not been charged?

Why is barr recommending a prison sentence for stone for a crime he lest Brennan and clapper walk free on?

Why will no one who believes barr is a good guy even remotely try to answer these questions?

There's something GREAT or something HORRIBLE going on behind the scenes.

Take Senator Lindsey Graham, for example... He promised in

Feb 2019: twitter.com...
-and-
Dec 2019: www.redstate.com...

to send subpoenas to the FISA/Spygate/Coup plotters, and to begin Senate hearings on the "matter". I think President Trump does not ever mention Lindsey Graham, for a reason(s), even though Graham is (verbally) one of the President's most vocal and visible supporters in the U.S. Senate.

a reply to: AttitudeProblem

Wow. Great video. Thanks for posting!

I'm still watching, but this is good info. Detailed info. Barr has an extensive resume... he's been involved in many of the greatest scandals in recent history... all brought up here:

CIA
PROMIS
Jeffrey Epstein
Iran Hostages
Iran/Contra
BCCI
Cocaine trafficking (Mena Airport)

I remember much of this, but forgot many of the details.

Thank you!

a reply to: carewemust

Well, I don't hope you're wrong... but I think you're wrong. About Barr anyway.

Barr is CIA. No one "got" to him.

I don't know about Trump. I'm still withholding judgment until I have more/better facts.

I like Trump. I think he's great!

OK, now that that's out of the way....

I'm going to neither condemn nor praise Barr yet. I got stung by Sessions... and that is really why I'm not going to jump to conclusions on Bill Barr. You see, I know Sessions. He's no saint, and we disagree on marijuana legalization, but he is a damn good prosecutor and hates corruption. When he was picked as Attorney General, I was ecstatic! I just knew the Alabama Bulldog with gator teeth was going to finish that swamp off in no time!

And nothing happened.

Look, anyone with half an eyeball and two functioning neurons to rub together can clearly see the corruption coming from the Deep State. Obama on a hot mike telling Putin that he will have more flexibility after his election. Hillary ordering subpoenaed evidence destroyed with hammers, and stating on another hot mike that "if this doesn't work, we'll all hang." Comey "appropriating" FBI records as personal, and then stating that Lynch acted improperly before Congress. Strzok and Page texts talking about "insurance" if Trump wins the election. Mueller testifying that after two yeas of investigating everything and anything Trump, he knew nothing about the Steel Dossier. The Creepy Porn Lawyer stating that non-disclosure forms are illegal, then ripping off Stormy Daniels. Nancy Pelosi publicly and intentionally tearing up official Congressional records in full view of the cameras. Brett Kavanaugh accused of sexual harassment, then of running a rape gang, by witnesses with claims weaker than week-old dishwater. So many lies in front of Congress that I can't' even begin to remember who even lied about what!

We just had four DoJ prosecutors quit after Barr overrode their sentencing recommendations, for crying out loud! There's something wrong with that... what would they have done if Trump pardoned Stone? Commit suicide? No lawyer in his right mind would quit over something as minor as a sentencing recommendation... that recommendation carried no legal weight even. It was a recommendation; the judge sets the sentence.

There's something going on behind the scenes, and we're not seeing it.

Here's what we do know:

• Suicide seems to be a favorite method to get out of testifying on anything concerning a Clinton or one of their friends.
  
• Long-term government officials are leaving the government in droves, and many of them are immigrating to CNN.
  
• The Deep State is scared silly of Donald Trump.
  
• Joe and Hunter Biden are considered untouchable by the Deep State.
  
• Gun control attempts are ratcheting up.
  
• So far, everything that Trump has been accused of has be shown to be true of the Deep State.

Putting all that together tells me that we are being shielded from what is behind the scenes. Now, one of two possibilities exist concerning Barr: either he is actually trying to get the Deep State, or he isn't. Let's look at those possibilities:

If Barr is avoiding Deep State prosecution, then he would be against Trump (at least in private), and he would be stonewalling anything Trump is trying to accomplish. But Barr has announced that Guiliani will be presenting his information to the DoJ through Barr. Guiliani is not the kind of guy who will sit back and accept that things are working behind the scenes, and he reports directly to Trump. It is a fool's errand to try and placate Guiliani and then bury his information; he's going to keep copies and he will go public with them if things don't go to his satisfaction. Plus, he has Trump's ear. Now, maybe Barr is playing for time... placate Guiliani long enough to get through the November election and hopefully get Trump out of office... but that's not going to happen. It would take a miracle for anyone in the DNC lineup to beat out Trump, and several prominent Democrats have already stated as much.

No, that doesn't add up.

On the other hand, maybe, just maybe, Barr is actually serious that Trump's tweets are a problem. After all, Trump tweets whatever is on Trump's mind. As deeply entrenched as the Deep State is, maybe Barr is having to tread carefully to ensure all his ducks are in a row before he moves, and he's constantly worried that Trump is going to tip someone off and let them escape prosecution at the appointed time.

Let's look at that again for a moment... four high-level prosecutors quit over a sentencing recommendation? Or was that why they quit? Did Trump tweet something that tipped them off that Barr was laying a trap for them? Did they believe that Barr was holding Trump at bay to protect them? Maybe when Trump tweeted, they realized that they were in the crosshairs and decided to make like a tree and leave. If I were Barr, that would upset me, and I see no reason Trump would even be aware of some relatively minor players... that's Barr's job.

The more I think about it, that's the only explanation that makes sense. Otherwise, Barr would have been griping about tweets long ago.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

If Barr is avoiding Deep State prosecution, then he would be against Trump (at least in private), and he would be stonewalling anything Trump is trying to accomplish. But Barr has announced that Guiliani will be presenting his information to the DoJ through Barr.

Barr is already undermining Giuliani's information:

Justice Dept. Will Accept Material From Giuliani, but Barr Voices Caution

Barr is obligated to at least look at it, and acknowledges as much:

The Justice Department “has the obligation to have an open door to anybody who wishes to provide us information that they think is relevant,” Mr. Barr said at an unrelated news conference.

Then immediately casts doubt on whatever Giuliani produces:

“As I did say to Senator Graham, we have to be very careful with respect to any information coming from the Ukraine,” Mr. Barr said on Monday. “There are a lot of agendas in the Ukraine, a lot of crosscurrents. And we can’t take anything we received from Ukraine at face value.”

Giuliani is an experienced and quite competent prosecutor himself. Giuliani knows what is evidence and what is not. Giuliani knows what will hold up in court and what will not. There was absolutely no good reason for Barr to make such comments. At most, Barr should have simply stated that he would be very interested in seeing whatever evidence Giuliani brought him. No qualifying necessary or appropriate, neither positive nor negative.

I highly recommend the video posted at the top of the page (page #2). Barr is CIA. No one "quits" the CIA.

ETA: Corrected link title -- my apologies!!!

a reply to: TheRedneck

I hope you're right.

But I'm leaning towards Grambler's camp on this. This clown show has gone on way too long, we need to start seeing some return on our investment regarding rooting out this systemic corruption in our Govt.

Seeing these scumbags still on TV getting paid and living fat and happy is a mockery to justice.

Yep

Why has Hillary not been indicted? Comey? Strzok? Page? Obummer? They’ve had plenty of time to build a case.

a reply to: Boadicea

Ukraine has, according to Guiliani, been trying for years to get information to the FBI/DoJ concerning corruption in their country. Until now, they have been refused. So even with the caution statement, Barr is still being more receptive than his predecessors.

Also, consider this: The DoJ does not talk about upcoming cases. Period. There's a very good reason for this: If they set up, for example, a sting operation to catch someone in a crime, suspecting that someone has information on someone else, it would be foolhardy to publicly make a big deal about the guy they nabbed. Doing so would alert the person they were actually after to cover their tracks and perhaps allow them to walk. That happens on the local level all the time.

Now, just imagine what would happen if Barr announced anything more than his caution statement concerning Guilliani. We know the information Gulliani has concerns the Biden family. If Bill Barr were to publicly say, "Yes, we are going to review the information from Rudy Guilliani" without adding in the caution about anything coming out of Ukraine, that would tip off Joe and Hunter, along with anyone else that could be implicated... and based on how many in the Deep State went rabid over impeaching Trump when he started talking to Zelenski, that' s a lot of politicians! Think of the trouble they could still cause... more impeachments, more false charges leading to raids on Trump's family and associates, evidence destroyed, witnesses threatened... the list of bad things that could happen is endless.

If I were Barr, I'd be publlcly downplaying things too... there's already talk of impeaching him.

Or, we can believe that four talented, tenured lawyers making big bucks just quit their jobs solely because the guy they successfully got convicted might... might get 2 years instead of nine...

TheRedneck