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originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
a reply to: The2Billies
Of course they do. A solid 25-30 percent of voters are swing voters. ANY candidate running against an incumbent President needs to get some of that swing vote back. Swing voters decide every Presidential election.
Trump earned enough of the swing vote to win in 2016, ergo, the eventual Democratic nominee needs to successfully win over enough of that swing vote to win in November.
originally posted by: neutronflux
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut
Actually. It’s worth more in the American system. It’s to ensure a few states don’t dictate the presidential election. This system ensures states and their populations like Wyoming are still a factor in the presidential election.
That is why Trump was elected. Because you don't have an equitable one person, one vote system, which leads political manipulators to put all their efforts into winning the states/districts that matter and ignoring the states/districts that don't.
Also the numbers that decide states proportions were set in the 1700's. Just some food for thought.
What do you not understand what has been explained repeatedly to you. Our system for our county gives weight to the people that live in what we call flyover states.
CynConcepts summed it up very nicely.
originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: chr0naut
One must remember that America is not just a single island state like New ZEALAND for example. We are 50 states united by a constitutional agreement. All states have their own constitutional agreement as well regarding their election in state.
In effect, our electoral college ensures voters from the more populous coastal states do not override the votes in the flyover states. Coastal States would not understand the needs of their States nor vice versus. As each citizen is considered equal, so is each state in America.
Removing the electoral college voting in effect would be terminating State rights and their contract with the United Federal government.
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
½ a million people in Wyoming have as much voting power as 37.2 million in California.
easily the stupidest easiest debunked lie here today
california has 55 electoral votes
wyoming has 3 electoral votes
next!
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut
And how is that a bad thing?
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut
And how is that a bad thing?
It's the 21st Century now. You don't have to support the states that have lots of trappers and log cabins.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
½ a million people in Wyoming have as much voting power as 37.2 million in California.
easily the stupidest easiest debunked lie here today
california has 55 electoral votes
wyoming has 3 electoral votes
next!
California - population 37,254,523 divided by 55 EC votes = 1/677,354 state EC votes/person.
Wyoming - population 563,626 divided by 3 EC votes = 1/187,875 state EC votes/person.
So each person's vote from Wyoming is about 3.6 times the value of each person's vote from California.
You can't deny the inequality. That is what giving an unequal vote to different states means.
originally posted by: The2Billies
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut
And how is that a bad thing?
It's the 21st Century now. You don't have to support the states that have lots of trappers and log cabins.
Wow, you really said that?
You think as a liberal/Democrat
that the government has no obligation to support or assist or give any regard for the states that have smaller populations?
Do you feel like this because these states voted for Trump : OR : do you as a liberal/Democrat
feel that the government has no obligation to support the states that voted for Trump because they are full of hicks and gun clingers (my interpretation of what you said).
If that is the case shouldn't the US offer to allow those states to leave the Union, if the US has no obligation and should not give those states the same services they give, let's say CA or NY?
Can I use you response as an example of what Democrats really think about people in states who are in flyover country: i.e. The people in the states that voted for Trump are mostly hicks living in log cabins, and their is no need for the government to pay any attention to them.
That as a liberal/Democrat they are irrelevant and the government can ignore them and give them no services they give other states?
So why shouldn't those states be asked to leave the Union, since you implied they are parasites to the Union.
THANKS for you open honesty and I'd love to pass it on for others to read as an example of what the Democratic Party thinks about people in those states.
originally posted by: CynConcepts
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
½ a million people in Wyoming have as much voting power as 37.2 million in California.
easily the stupidest easiest debunked lie here today
california has 55 electoral votes
wyoming has 3 electoral votes
next!
California - population 37,254,523 divided by 55 EC votes = 1/677,354 state EC votes/person.
Wyoming - population 563,626 divided by 3 EC votes = 1/187,875 state EC votes/person.
So each person's vote from Wyoming is about 3.6 times the value of each person's vote from California.
You can't deny the inequality. That is what giving an unequal vote to different states means.
What you are missing out on is that each individual has one vote. That one vote counts in their own State districts. The majority still decides the electorates vote. The electorates are based on total of individuals population numbers in state whether they vote or not.
California still has more say nationally with their 55 elector votes over Wyoming 3 elector votes. They also, have more say legislatively by having more House representatives. Thus why the Census 2020 is so important to them and why even illegal immigrants are welcomed for now.
After the census is completed and they gain more political clout, they may already plan to blame Trump and remove their sanctuary statuses. It will be 10 years until the next census. Only 2 and 4 to the next elections.
Edit add: a reply to: The2Billies
That poster is not an American. He is not a liberal nor democrat, much further left than that since Politics are different in New Zealand.