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So what do you use to determine Trump's popularity across America?
originally posted by: Riffrafter
a reply to: chr0naut
So what do you use to determine Trump's popularity across America?
Well, the Presidential elections are a good start.
You can't use other elections as a gauge since many Trump voters are not really engaged in other political contests, but they are engaged in the Presidential election - make no mistake.
Look at elections that determine policy rather than people for a position. In those contests most have been swinging to the conservative side of things - or at the very least, to the center, when previously they were more left or progressive.
The Dems biggest problem is that they refuse to see the writing on the wall. They think everything is an "aberration". They are becoming the aberration as they are making themselves less and less relevant.
They need to wake up, shut up or just go away as a party/platform - for the time being. That will change in time, but right now - that is where America stands.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: 1point92AU
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: 1point92AU
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: The2Billies
It is really simple. If you get more votes, (especially EC ones) you win.
It is a bit of a waste of effort to promote yourself to people who will vote for you anyway. So, to get more people to vote for you, you have to appeal to people who didn't vote for you last time, in the hope that they will be convinced and will vote for you.
No shame, guilt or coercion involved.
You seem to be as lost as your party. It's been pretty prevelent in the MSM that democrats are telling the democrats to get their shlt together because they are going to lose CURRENT dem votes.
The dems are so confused and so lost because they spent 4 years in a fabricated NON STOP hate campaign that will result in 2 things.
1. Put doubt into the minds of the previous dem voters that were on the fence. Those votes they have now lost.
2. Thinking they can convert a Trump vote into a dem vote is an absolute joke of a "strategy".
Every one of the dem candidates are polar opposites of the policies Trump has put into place. People who voted for Trump voted for him because of his policies.
So your and your party's supreme logic is to convince people who voted for Trump (because of his policies) that they (the Trump voters) held a belief in to abandon those policies (the ones the Trump voters want) in favor of policies that are the complete opposite of the policies they wanted in the first place?
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WOW! No wonder you guys are losing on all fronts.
Not my party. I'm not even American.
And the polls seem to be wobbling back and forth at the moment. On Monday, the Dems were polling better, on Tuesday, the Republicans. Despite the repeated assertion of Trump supporters on ATS that Trump is so far ahead.
Polls....LOL. aka...more mocking bird media's weak attempt to influence the public. I remember a poll in 2016 where Hillary Clinton was polling at 95% chance to win the presidency. That worked out well.
The left is cratering.
So what do you use to determine Trump's popularity across America?
Or is just your little group of people in your little corner and the propagandist MSM that informs you?
I'm having trouble with their strategy. It appears the strategy is Shame/Guilt/Coerce I'm not sure this is a winning strategy. I was wondering if any of you are seeing a different strategy to gain the votes of people who voted for Trump in 2016.
So, I don't think that historical voting numbers are a good guide to future votes. If you also ignore poll results, then you may as well ask a groundhog.
originally posted by: smurfy
originally posted by: The2Billies
Today I heard a Democratic analyst say on a news show that the Democrats need to win over former Trump voters in order to win the Presidency.
I'm having trouble with their strategy. It appears the strategy is Shame/Guilt/Coerce I'm not sure this is a winning strategy. I was wondering if any of you are seeing a different strategy to gain the votes of people who voted for Trump in
Finally: What strategy do you see the Democratic 2020 candidates using that say to Trump voters/supporters, and people against late-term abortions, you should vote for us? Where am I missing the boat on this one?
Seems more like you are telling us, 'what the strategy is' However you are probably right to say that Democrats need to win over Trump supporters with the caveat of the electoral college's approval of course.
Methinks though that Trump is doing a damn good job of pooing in his own nest, and that the penny is starting to drop for many after recent events, Oh dear! that means a serious amount of pro Trump propaganda is required...and now!
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut
Actually. It’s worth more in the American system. It’s to ensure a few states don’t dictate the presidential election. This system ensures states and their populations like Wyoming are still a factor in the presidential election.
originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: chr0naut
One must remember that America is not just a single island state like New ZEALAND for example. We are 50 states united by a constitutional agreement. All states have their own constitutional agreement as well regarding their election in state.
In effect, our electoral college ensures voters from the more populous coastal states do not override the votes in the flyover states. Coastal States would not understand the needs of their States nor vice versus. As each citizen is considered equal, so is each state in America.
Removing the electoral college voting in effect would be terminating State rights and their contract with the United Federal government.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: chr0naut
Actually. It’s worth more in the American system. It’s to ensure a few states don’t dictate the presidential election. This system ensures states and their populations like Wyoming are still a factor in the presidential election.
That is why Trump was elected. Because you don't have an equitable one person, one vote system, which leads political manipulators to put all their efforts into winning the states/districts that matter and ignoring the states/districts that don't.
Also the numbers that decide states proportions were set in the 1700's. Just some food for thought.
CynConcepts summed it up very nicely.
originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: chr0naut
One must remember that America is not just a single island state like New ZEALAND for example. We are 50 states united by a constitutional agreement. All states have their own constitutional agreement as well regarding their election in state.
In effect, our electoral college ensures voters from the more populous coastal states do not override the votes in the flyover states. Coastal States would not understand the needs of their States nor vice versus. As each citizen is considered equal, so is each state in America.
Removing the electoral college voting in effect would be terminating State rights and their contract with the United Federal government.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: chr0naut
One must remember that America is not just a single island state like New ZEALAND for example. We are 50 states united by a constitutional agreement. All states have their own constitutional agreement as well regarding their election in state.
In effect, our electoral college ensures voters from the more populous coastal states do not override the votes in the flyover states. Coastal States would not understand the needs of their States nor vice versus. As each citizen is considered equal, so is each state in America.
Removing the electoral college voting in effect would be terminating State rights and their contract with the United Federal government.
I am aware that your presidential selection system ignores actual demographics.
½ a million people in Wyoming have as much voting power as 37.2 million in California.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: The2Billies
I think Democrats just to need to stay on point with healthcare and wealth inequality and it will all work out find. If the Democrats try to be Republican Lite they will lose.
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The billionaires and CEOs have gone too far. We have way too many monopolies and cartels. We have no free-markets. We need STRONG government again like we had in FDR to address of the injustices going on. Time to stop the corporation and billionaire socialism. Time to bring back Clinton era tax rates of 39% so we have a budget surplus again.
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½ a million people in Wyoming have as much voting power as 37.2 million in California.