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originally posted by: Flatcoat
originally posted by: ManFromEurope
*laughs in social-democratic*
Yeah, who would want free healthcare, the rich paying taxes or social safety nets! Those are un-american!
Just so you know. Watchin' ya.
There's no such thing as "free" anything.
originally posted by: proximo
originally posted by: Flatcoat
originally posted by: ManFromEurope
*laughs in social-democratic*
Yeah, who would want free healthcare, the rich paying taxes or social safety nets! Those are un-american!
Just so you know. Watchin' ya.
There's no such thing as "free" anything.
How failed is our education system that their are apparently millions that don't get that?
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: pexx421
I would like to point out that most of those people who cannot afford a car have smartphones, tablets, WiFi, streaming television services.....etc.
People in the 60s also tended to be married and only had kids they could afford.
You remember the 70s differently than I do.
In the 60’s and 70’s a single working parent could often afford all the requirements and standards of a middle class home and lifestyle at the time with less debt and more stability than they can now.
Also didn't have cable TV and cell phones. One car was adequate. Didn't need to have the latest and greated paid for with a 7 year car loan. Everyone didn't need Gucci belts and Canada Goose jackets. People cooked food instead of buyign ready to eat meals. They also didn't care if the food was grown by eunich elves under a rainbow either. People didn't want 3500 square foot McMansions with Home depot siding either.
originally posted by: proximo
originally posted by: Flatcoat
originally posted by: ManFromEurope
*laughs in social-democratic*
Yeah, who would want free healthcare, the rich paying taxes or social safety nets! Those are un-american!
Just so you know. Watchin' ya.
There's no such thing as "free" anything.
How failed is our education system that their are apparently millions that don't get that?
In the 60’s and 70’s a single working parent could often afford all the requirements and standards of a middle class home and lifestyle at the time with less debt and more stability than they can now.
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: pexx421
I would like to point out that most of those people who cannot afford a car have smartphones, tablets, WiFi, streaming television services.....etc.
People in the 60s also tended to be married and only had kids they could afford.
You remember the 70s differently than I do.
In the 60’s and 70’s a single working parent could often afford all the requirements and standards of a middle class home and lifestyle at the time with less debt and more stability than they can now.
Also didn't have cable TV and cell phones. One car was adequate. Didn't need to have the latest and greated paid for with a 7 year car loan. Everyone didn't need Gucci belts and Canada Goose jackets. People cooked food instead of buyign ready to eat meals. They also didn't care if the food was grown by eunich elves under a rainbow either. People didn't want 3500 square foot McMansions with Home depot siding either.
We had cool new tech to buy back then too. I recall when vcrs came out. They were $800 I believe, and everyone got one. I expect $800 back then was probably about the equivalent of $2k+ in today’s dollars. And microwaves, everyone got one of those and they weren’t cheap either. I’ll explain the point since most of you seem so slow to grasp conclusions when they don’t support your narrative. We had the cool new tech, the hot new cars, the fine new houses to buy back then too. And they were all in the grasp of the poor and middle class, and obtainable without going into the massive level of debt that we have today. Expensive shoes? We had expensive shoes back then too. People used to jump other folks for them. We had polo and girbauds. There were all the various forms of consumption that we enjoy today, and we managed it better. Because we had more disposable income.
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: pexx421
I would like to point out that most of those people who cannot afford a car have smartphones, tablets, WiFi, streaming television services.....etc.
People in the 60s also tended to be married and only had kids they could afford.
You remember the 70s differently than I do.
In the 60’s and 70’s a single working parent could often afford all the requirements and standards of a middle class home and lifestyle at the time with less debt and more stability than they can now.
Also didn't have cable TV and cell phones. One car was adequate. Didn't need to have the latest and greated paid for with a 7 year car loan. Everyone didn't need Gucci belts and Canada Goose jackets. People cooked food instead of buyign ready to eat meals. They also didn't care if the food was grown by eunich elves under a rainbow either. People didn't want 3500 square foot McMansions with Home depot siding either.
We had cool new tech to buy back then too. I recall when vcrs came out. They were $800 I believe, and everyone got one. I expect $800 back then was probably about the equivalent of $2k+ in today’s dollars. And microwaves, everyone got one of those and they weren’t cheap either. I’ll explain the point since most of you seem so slow to grasp conclusions when they don’t support your narrative. We had the cool new tech, the hot new cars, the fine new houses to buy back then too. And they were all in the grasp of the poor and middle class, and obtainable without going into the massive level of debt that we have today. Expensive shoes? We had expensive shoes back then too. People used to jump other folks for them. We had polo and girbauds. There were all the various forms of consumption that we enjoy today, and we managed it better. Because we had more disposable income.
You just disproved your own point. Good lord.
Yeah, we had cool tech back then and the only people that really had it were in fact rich. Compared to today when EVERYBODY has that same tech at much cheaper costs.
Who is paying $2000 for a DVD player today? No one. You can get a DVD player for like $50. So proving that a lot of this stuff is in fact cheaper and more accessible? Further, that $50 DVD player is far better than the $800 VHS recorder...
Computers, TV, Cell phones, Game systems, etc are all far cheaper today and nice than they were in the 70s/80s.
The items you mention.... school, healthcare, and houses are all highly regulated under government which is why they have far exceeded inflation in many instances. Again, disproving your leftist ideology.
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: pexx421
I would like to point out that most of those people who cannot afford a car have smartphones, tablets, WiFi, streaming television services.....etc.
People in the 60s also tended to be married and only had kids they could afford.
You remember the 70s differently than I do.
In the 60’s and 70’s a single working parent could often afford all the requirements and standards of a middle class home and lifestyle at the time with less debt and more stability than they can now.
Also didn't have cable TV and cell phones. One car was adequate. Didn't need to have the latest and greated paid for with a 7 year car loan. Everyone didn't need Gucci belts and Canada Goose jackets. People cooked food instead of buyign ready to eat meals. They also didn't care if the food was grown by eunich elves under a rainbow either. People didn't want 3500 square foot McMansions with Home depot siding either.
We had cool new tech to buy back then too. I recall when vcrs came out. They were $800 I believe, and everyone got one. I expect $800 back then was probably about the equivalent of $2k+ in today’s dollars. And microwaves, everyone got one of those and they weren’t cheap either. I’ll explain the point since most of you seem so slow to grasp conclusions when they don’t support your narrative. We had the cool new tech, the hot new cars, the fine new houses to buy back then too. And they were all in the grasp of the poor and middle class, and obtainable without going into the massive level of debt that we have today. Expensive shoes? We had expensive shoes back then too. People used to jump other folks for them. We had polo and girbauds. There were all the various forms of consumption that we enjoy today, and we managed it better. Because we had more disposable income.
You just disproved your own point. Good lord.
Yeah, we had cool tech back then and the only people that really had it were in fact rich. Compared to today when EVERYBODY has that same tech at much cheaper costs.
Who is paying $2000 for a DVD player today? No one. You can get a DVD player for like $50. So proving that a lot of this stuff is in fact cheaper and more accessible? Further, that $50 DVD player is far better than the $800 VHS recorder...
Computers, TV, Cell phones, Game systems, etc are all far cheaper today and nice than they were in the 70s/80s.
The items you mention.... school, healthcare, and houses are all highly regulated under government which is why they have far exceeded inflation in many instances. Again, disproving your leftist ideology.
Only because you See conversation as a competition to win, rather than a discussion to develop understanding. Your specific and constant attempts to interpret a persons statements in the worst possible fashion is the opposite of how genuine honest discourse happens. We all had vcrs and microwaves etc back then, not just the rich. And the point about their current cheapness validates my point, that production costs have gone down on tech, and yet high prices are the norm. The production cost on an iPhone or iPad is what? Compared to the msrp? The production cost on those $400 shoes is what? $10?
Don’t be a dick. People are not all idiots, and you idiot just as hard and often as everyone else. You have an addiction to your own ideology, and plenty catchy memes and descriptions to support it. That doesn’t mean it’s not all make believe.
originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: 727Sky
a chance to tax and spend us into oblivion.
Fear and Loathing in New Hemp_shire, brought to you by Foxy News. Well. Have another toke?
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But... but... but... the taxes, THE TAXES!
OBLIVION, I SAY!!!oneoneeleven
originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.
Eventually you run out of other peoples money.
originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.
a reply to: 727Sky
Eventually you run out of other peoples money. Bernie himself said the middle income people are going to pay more in taxes.