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New Hampshire and Bernie wins...feel the burn America..down to the ground

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posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:05 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Bluntone22

Numerous studies have shown that the increase in taxes would still be less than the annual expense of purchasing health insurance.



I'm sure they do.
Real world experience tells me a different story.




posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Bluntone22

What would you rather have though, a potentially smaller 401k that you can actually use, or a potentially larger 401k that completely disappears the second you get a bad diagnosis from the doctor?

Either way you're gambling, but at least in one case you're guaranteed to walk out of the casino with some winnings.

My money.
I don't need a nanny state telling me how to spend my money.
I buy insurance play the game jump through hoops or I go insurance-less and gamble I won't go bankrupt.
It should still ALWAYS be My decision not the government



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:12 AM
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I like Bernie more than Trump as a person but I'm still voting for Trump. Bernie would destroy my investments and tax me more. And don't tell me it's not true. I looked at Bernie's tax plan. He's going to hurt me.



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:15 AM
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We've been under socialist rule in the U.S. since 1913, when the Federal Reserve Bank was established. There are no free markets today, everything from stocks/bonds to oil/gas to gold/silver to currencies/cryptocurrencies to real estate to interest rates and everything inbetween is artificially manipulated by the Federal Reserve Bank. Every economic downturn and war since 1913 has been caused by the Federal Reserve Bank. The U.S. dollar has lost @ 90% of its value since 1971, increasing the ongoing wealth gap between the rich & poor. In accordance with the U.S. constitution, congress is supposed to regulate/maintain the weights & measures of money (gold & silver). Congress has not upheld this responsibility since 1913.

Government subsidies, corporate tax breaks & corporate bailouts are all forms of socialism. Bernie supporters want more of the same, so they're tripling down on socialism. What the USA really needs is to return to free market capitalism & a stable monetary system.

Trump is on the same point on the historical political spectrum as JFK, who was considered far left in his day. Trump is considered far right today, when he's actually more of a leftist, as evident by his administration's spending habits and subsidies to farmers. That's how far the historical political spectrum has shifted left since JFKs time. In context of the historical political spectrum, Trump is actually a moderate centrist today. "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country"-JFK.
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posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

People thought the world was going to end if Trump got elected. Bernie's spending and a possible increase in taxes is a concern. He can't just make laws and force them to pass by themselves though..

He proposes taxing offshore corporate income for rebuilding America. Paying for colleges with taxing a 2/3rds Wall Street Speculation Tax and remainder reliance on states.

He does have plans to pay for his ideas but im not an economists or political analyst so i can't tell if they are viable or not.

Shouldn't we be taxing walstreet and offshore monies more? Or closing loopholes?



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: Stupidsecrets

That's fair. The upper 10% should just pay their fair share. No hiding money and loopholes. Or corporations avoiding paying taxes.



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: AaarghZombies




He's a moderate who supports wealth taxes.


Moderates don't honeymoon in Russia at the height of the cold war.



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

That's fair. The upper 10% should just pay their fair share. No hiding money and loopholes. Or corporations avoiding paying taxes.


You do realize the upper 10% in the US is a household making around $118k/yr. Repeat, a HOUSEHOLD. In other words, a husband and wife each making a whopping $60k/yr at their jobs would be in the top 10% of household incomes. Yeah, they are rich and using loop holes to avoid paying their fair share....

Here are some facts from Investopedia:

Percentile / Household Income

Top .01% / $2.7 million
Top 1% / $718k
Top 5% / $299k
Top 10% / $118k



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:40 AM
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The DNC is stuck cause Bernie probably motivates enough voters to win the nomination but has an overall smell factor that hinders him against Trump.

Hell Sanders just winning the Democratic nomination will stun the markets and zap the economy. Because in the real world where stuff costs money corporations and businesses will adjust accordingly well before any of his economy draining plans take effect, with layoffs restructuring, etc, etc.. There is a delicate balance between social reforms and slitting the throat of the economy.



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Then if only 10% of households are making what, I think most would consider, a comfortable, middle class income, there's clearly something very wrong with our economy.

Since Reagan, middle and lower class wages have essentially stagnated while upper class wages have exploded. It seems to me that Bernie is one of the few people willing to address this disparity.



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: putnam6

So in other words, our country actually runs on the whims of the largest corporations and not the will of the people.



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: ATruGod
What happens when there's no more Billionaire, oops I mean Millionaire money?

Whats the incentive to achieve something to turn around and have the Government Redistribute it?

Asking for a Friend...


Oh, that's simple. They'll start using the same tactics they used on the rich to target the middle class. " If they have money for two cars then they can afford to pay more taxes." Or " Hey joe has a nice house, guess he isn't paying enough taxes."



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Ahh maybe i meant top 1% then. I thought there was more rich folk.



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: putnam6

Because you never invest in things that will not give you a return. If true socialism happens, businesses do not profit because the collective profits. But what they never ever tell you is the reverse is true...when business fails, the collective fails.
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posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Edumakated

Then if only 10% of households are making what, I think most would consider, a comfortable, middle class income, there's clearly something very wrong with our economy.

Since Reagan, middle and lower class wages have essentially stagnated while upper class wages have exploded. It seems to me that Bernie is one of the few people willing to address this disparity.


No, there is nothing wrong with economy. There just aren't as many uber rich people as you want to believe that can be taxed into oblivion to pay for all your leftist fantasy causes. As many of us have been trying to get through your thick skull, any taxes are going to have to come from the middle class too. There is no way Bernie can pay for his socialist utopia without taxing the middle class too.



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky




a chance to tax and spend us into oblivion.


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posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

That's fair. The upper 10% should just pay their fair share. No hiding money and loopholes. Or corporations avoiding paying taxes.


I'm not hiding money and don't own a corporation. I looked at his tax plan on his site and I will in fact pay more. It's not just multi-millionaires and billionaires he's attacking. If anything, he personally owes taxpayers money since he is rarely at his real job and doesn't work on legislation. He spends more time writing books and prancing around the country talking about this utopia in his books that is never going to happen. Not how this country works. The US is very modular. Nobody has all the power. I don't agree with Hillary on much but on this I do agree; Bernie is incapable of working in this modular system. It's either his way or nothing.



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 10:02 AM
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Bernie can win every primary and caucus and they will still redistribute his delegates, just like they did in 2016.

Nobody with an IQ over 80 likes the guy.



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Edumakated

Then if only 10% of households are making what, I think most would consider, a comfortable, middle class income, there's clearly something very wrong with our economy.

Since Reagan, middle and lower class wages have essentially stagnated while upper class wages have exploded. It seems to me that Bernie is one of the few people willing to address this disparity.


Those middle and lower class wages have stagnated for several reasons:

1) Feminism. More women moved into the work force putting pressure on wages. This artificially increases the supply of workers. Now guys who would be working middle management jobs are not only competing against other guys, but women too. Increased supply of workers puts pressure on wages. Not only that, since women don't want to be at home barefoot and preggers, day care expenses have also increased since both parents are not out of the home working.

2) Globalism. Because of our punitive tax rates and uncompetitive business environment, companies found it cheaper to move manufacturing overseas.

3) Legal and illegal immigration. Again, increasing the supply of workers lowers wages. Even legal and high skilled immigrants (H1-Bs) reduce the competitive wages. Tech companies and many corporations love bringing in lower paid Indian workers to replace US workers.

4) Skills. STEM and other highly skilled jobs are doing better. However, people without educations and other hard skills are finding it harder and harder to stay competitive and employable. Lesbian Art theory is only going to get you so far and has no value in the work place.



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: putnam6

Because you never invest in things that will not give you a return. If true socialism happens, businesses do not profit because the collective profits. But what they never ever tell you is the reverse is true...when business fails, the collective fails.


Thing is, most Americans don’t “invest”. They labor and they gamble. Investing is where you like a business, think it has the possibility of being profitable, and put in money to help them grow and produce more, and you hope to get a marginal return, preferably higher than interest on a savings account.

In our modern stock market, the vast majority of stocks are held for seconds or even fractions of seconds, as algorithms try to predict how to move the money around to make it grow without doing any work. And further, most of those companies don’t use the money to grow more manufacturing or develop more plants, rather they’ve switched to raising prices and cannibalizing wages and benefits, or stock buybacks, to increase profits.

In my view, returns on invested money should be minimal, and taxed higher, as they don’t require work. Whereas everyone’s main income should be labor, which should be least taxed. Any other system incentivized exploitation of workers, and financial shenanigans which actually hamper economic growth.

By prioritizing profits as the prime motivation for growth and investment we are creating the very society that many claim is “human nature” (it’s not) where the greedy and corrupt ascend to the heights of ruler ship, power and control.



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