New Hampshire and Bernie wins...feel the burn America..down to the ground

a reply to: dfnj2015

Thing is, Bernie is right wing by European standards. You are all so polarised in America that you have lost understanding of left, right, socialism and all that.

He's also 78 years old. I have no problem with old people, but there comes a point where someone should retire. Same with Trump TBH. Are there no younger people in the US who are capable of running for President?

I think a lot of Trump supporters should really be happy about this. I know I am. Believe it or not, many Democrats are wealthy.

An individual’s likelihood of being a Democrat decreases with every additional dollar he or she earns. Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with voters earning less than $15,000 per year. This advantage carries forward for individuals earning up to $50,000 per year, and then turns in the Republicans’ favor — with just 36 percent of individuals earning more than $200,000 per year supporting Democrats.

Interestingly, the median household income in the United States is $49,777 — right near the point where the Democratic advantage disappears and the Republicans take over.

www.debt.org...

The higher earners on the left will soon start changing their toon when it's their money being stolen from their pockets. Well, except for some of the elite ultra rich.

From the same link:

While Democrats lose support as income increases, there seems to be a tipping point where the ultra-wealthy begin leaning Democratic. The most famous example would be the entertainment industry, where star-studded events have become a significant part of Democratic culture.

But this phenomenon is not limited to Hollywood. A review of the 20 richest Americans, as listed by Forbes Magazine, found that 60 percent affiliate with the Democratic Party, including the top three individuals: Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Larry Ellison. Among the riches families, the Democratic advantage rises even higher, to 75 percent.

Why the ultra wealth can't donate the MAJORITY of their wealth instead of trying to change the whole economics of a country is beyond me. They still have billions in their pockets while chiding the rest of us we need to support more causes.

Back to my point. When it comes down to it, Democrats like their money.....in their own pockets. If the democratic majority pick Bernie for POTUS, many will try to sabotage him winning. They don't like what Bernie will try to do to this country or their wealth and they will actually have to support Trump, albeit maybe covertly. They don't want to upset their apple carts and will do what they need to in order to keep the status quo. Remember, the Dem's only want other people's money. Their own is a no-go zone. They have multiple business', several houses. Look at Bernie, he owns three houses and is a millionaire yet he wants the rest of the people to give up their own money and assets to support his agendas while he maintains his own wealthy status.

I really see Bernie as the democratic electorate a positive. Democrats supporting Trump in order to stop Bernie, makes me lol. Trump will win, America will win.

a reply to: paraphi

I remember something my dad told as we were in my woodshop working on a project.
Here we are leaning on a work bench scribbling some figures on a scrap of wood trying to "Do the math".

He stands up, shakes his head, then says, "I just don't have it anymore kiddo"...

Be basically told me that after your 70s your brain just doesn't work as well as it used too.

Sanders will be 79 at election time.
Anyone that believes he's firing on all cylinders is nuts.

a reply to: 727Sky
America will not elect a socialist President in 2020.

Real democrats will either vote for Trump or stay home.

It's like the democrats want to lose. Maybe they secretly like Trump policies 😳🤣😂

a reply to: StoutBroux

The problem with your theory is that rich people will not be paying the brunt of the costs.
Little people do.
Taxes on taxes.

Sanders likes to point at Denmark for his examples but doesn't realize they are stepping away from social programs because they don't work.

originally posted by: Atsbhct

originally posted by: neo96
Bernie Sanders is the American equivalent to Stalin or Mao.

You think Bernie Sanders wants to murder millions of Americans?

Judging from his campaign managers, it's a distinct concern. Although it is odd that someone who support gun confiscation, would be praising a scary "assualt rifle". But it seems to be the weapon of choice among his campaign managers.

a reply to: Bluntone22

And Donald Trump will be 74. Are you saying it would also be foolish to vote for him?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

It is something to be aware of yes.

After his next term he will still be younger than sanders today.

Look at the stories of Reagan in his last few years.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Bluntone22

And Donald Trump will be 74. Are you saying it would also be foolish to vote for him?

If Trump wasn't the incumbent I would say yes.
But as it stands now he is the best choice for the Country as a whole.
2024 will be either Pence or Don Jr, I would just as soon see Trey Gowdy or Jim Jordan run.

originally posted by: ColeYounger

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: 727Sky

Too much money is being redistributed to billionaires. The economy is rigged. It's organized crime.

Socialism is the only answer. Why is one type of theft better than the other type. The billionaires have been raping the workers for years. It's time for the pendulum to swing back the other way!

I think Bernie is great! I hope he wins!

If you look real close you can also see his accomplishments as a politician in his 40 years of service.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Bluntone22

And Donald Trump will be 74. Are you saying it would also be foolish to vote for him?

Sanders will be 87 if he gets two terms. What's your point?

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: StoutBroux

The problem with your theory is that rich people will not be paying the brunt of the costs.
Little people do.
Taxes on taxes.

Sanders likes to point at Denmark for his examples but doesn't realize they are stepping away from social programs because they don't work.

VOX just recently came out with Bernie's wealth tax plans. Now this was published in September 2019. Interesting read.

The proposal would cut the wealth of billionaires in the United States in half in 15 years and entirely close the gap in wealth growth between billionaires and the average American family, according to University of California Berkeley economists Gabriel Zucman and Emmanuel Saez, who advised Sanders on his plan. Hitting the richest 180,000 American households, Saez and Zucman estimate the tax would raise $4.35 trillion over the next decade, which Sanders says would go toward paying for his biggest policies, including Medicare-for-all, affordable housing, and universal childcare.The proposal would cut the wealth of billionaires in the United States in half in 15 years and entirely close the gap in wealth growth between billionaires and the average American family, according to University of California Berkeley economists Gabriel Zucman and Emmanuel Saez, who advised Sanders on his plan. Hitting the richest 180,000 American households, Saez and Zucman estimate the tax would raise $4.35 trillion over the next decade, which Sanders says would go toward paying for his biggest policies, including Medicare-for-all, affordable housing, and universal childcare.

***SNIP***

Here’s how it would work. Sanders wants to levy a 1 percent tax on wealth above $32 million, for married couples, and then slowly increase the tax for wealthier households: a 2 percent for wealth between $50 to $250 million; 3 percent for wealth from $250 to $500 million; 4 percent from $500 million to $1 billion, 5 percent from $1 to $2.5 billion, 6 percent from $2.5 to $5 billion, 7 percent from $5 to $10 billion, and 8 percent on wealth over $10 billion. Same thing goes for super-rich single people, except the wealth thresholds are cut in half. In other words, an unmarried person with $16.5 million in wealth would pay a $5,000 tax, as would a married couple with $32.5 million in net worth.

With more brackets for individuals and families, Sanders’s proposal is estimated to raise $1.6 trillion more in revenue than Warren’s plan over 10 years. Whereas Warren’s plan has the same thresholds for individuals and married couples, which could enable some wealthy couples to evade the tax by getting divorced, Sanders’s plan closes that loophole.

As Vox’s Matt Yglesias explained, most middle class Americans already pay a version of a wealth tax: a property tax to their local government on their homes, the most common asset among middle-income Americans. But property taxes don’t get at all the wealth super-rich people keep in stocks or other assets. Sanders also has a proposal to dramatically expand the estate tax, topping out at a maximum rate of 77 percent. Currently, the estate tax maxes out at 40 percent.

www.vox.com...

And as we all know. Taxes almost always start low, reeling in acceptance by the gullible of 'just a few more dollars' then increase, multiply so that in time, they actually add up to quite a bit.

a reply to: StoutBroux

Well first off vox...
They are so far left they don't need right legs.

But let's be honest here.
Politicians promise things to get elected.
What are the chances of bernie getting a socialist tax heavy agenda enacted?

Obama was going to save me money on healthcare... He in actuality nearly doubled my costs.
Blame whoever for that but it's reality.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: 727Sky

Too much money is being redistributed to billionaires. The economy is rigged. It's organized crime.

Socialism is the only answer. Why is one type of theft better than the other type. The billionaires have been raping the workers for years. It's time for the pendulum to swing back the other way!

Thats like saying, "this guys haircut is beyond help, a bullet in the head is the only answer."

a reply to: 727Sky

There will be people that will actually vote for higher taxes, fewer choices, bigger government, less freedoms.

Bernie is proof.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: 727Sky

There will be people that will actually vote for higher taxes, fewer choices, bigger government, less freedoms.

Bernie is proof.

Yes..
People that don't pay taxes and people that want a nanny to take care of them.
They also believe someone else will be paying for it until it's to late.

a reply to: Bluntone22

I've yet to get a cogent answer to this but if everyone can agree that our government is corrupt, then how is making them bigger and giving them more money going to make them less corrupt?

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: 727Sky
I'm still struggling with the mysteries of American politics.
Would it be fair to say that Bernie Sanders is the American equivalent of Jeremy Corbyn?

Americans like to be overly dramatic. he's more like David Cameron. He's a moderate who supports wealth taxes. Using European standards he's center right. most Americans wouldn't know socialism if it fell out of the sky and landed on them.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Bluntone22

I've yet to get a cogent answer to this but if everyone can agree that our government is corrupt, then how is making them bigger and giving them more money going to make them less corrupt?

The same way that politicians that have been in office for 30 years are suddenly capable of fixing our country's problems.