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originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Gandalf77
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Lock them up for stealing?
Yes. Stealing is a crime against another person.
We shouldn't, however, lock someone up just fo being in possession of a substance or addicted to that substance.
Addiction is a horrible thing; I know people who've struggled with it. Now they're clean and sober and hard-working, contributing members of society. They got the help they needed, and it wasn't behind bars.
Yes stealing is a crime. But their reason for stealing is because of their addiction. So you see the conundrum. Hence my line of questioning.
I understand the conundrum, and addiction/theft frequently go hand in hand, but they have to be separated where the law is concerned.
The alcoholic is addicted to alcohol, but if he/she gets popped for drunk driving and or/manslaughter, they're punished for those crimes, not for being an addict.
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Trueman
Focus-group Pete is a moron, although I do agree the current system isn't working (like all prohibition, it merely spawns more crime)
1)Mandatory detox in an isolated room for users
2)Mandatory death penalty for all dealers/traffickers
Problem solved.
Putting users in prison doesn't work simply because prisons are a cesspool of drugs and contraband, this I do agree with.
I'm is drug gangs we should be declaring war against (with bombs, tanks and jets) that are smuggling it across our unsecure Southern border (95%+)
originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo
God damn drug users!
I NEED A DRINK!
That'll numb me enough to deal with the drug taking idiots and their supporters in the world.......
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: sine.nomine
I don't understand why this is so confusing. Drug addicts have a problem. They need help and attention. Throwing them to the side and thinking less of them empowers their addictions.
May as well throw out people with mental disabilities....
It isn't confusing at all for anyone who understands the basic concept of personal responsibility.
Drug addicts made a choice.
A bad one.
Treating it like a societal problem just makes it worse because then they don't have to accept personal responsibility.
People with mental disabilities did not make that choice.
Is that too hard to understand?
?
I don't think you understand how much an EpiPen costs the taxpayers. Junkies shoot up, od, the paramedics come and revive them with an EpiPen just so they can do it wll over again. Then they go and throw their needles all over the place.
I disagree somewhat. The addicts deserve to get their asses kicked for being stupid enough to take the drug in the first place.
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Trueman
Focus-group Pete is a moron, although I do agree the current system isn't working (like all prohibition, it merely spawns more crime)
1)Mandatory detox in an isolated room for users
2)Mandatory death penalty for all dealers/traffickers
Problem solved.
Putting users in prison doesn't work simply because prisons are a cesspool of drugs and contraband, this I do agree with.
I'm is drug gangs we should be declaring war against (with bombs, tanks and jets) that are smuggling it across our unsecure Southern border (95%+)
If the drugs were decriminalised it would greatly reduce the illegal immigrant issue at the border.
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Trueman
Focus-group Pete is a moron, although I do agree the current system isn't working (like all prohibition, it merely spawns more crime)
1)Mandatory detox in an isolated room for users
2)Mandatory death penalty for all dealers/traffickers
Problem solved.
Putting users in prison doesn't work simply because prisons are a cesspool of drugs and contraband, this I do agree with.
I'm is drug gangs we should be declaring war against (with bombs, tanks and jets) that are smuggling it across our unsecure Southern border (95%+)
If the drugs were decriminalised it would greatly reduce the illegal immigrant issue at the border.
You hope.
Side note: We're talking decriminalization while simultaneously acknowledging a heroin epidemic..
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Trueman
Focus-group Pete is a moron, although I do agree the current system isn't working (like all prohibition, it merely spawns more crime)
1)Mandatory detox in an isolated room for users
2)Mandatory death penalty for all dealers/traffickers
Problem solved.
Putting users in prison doesn't work simply because prisons are a cesspool of drugs and contraband, this I do agree with.
I'm is drug gangs we should be declaring war against (with bombs, tanks and jets) that are smuggling it across our unsecure Southern border (95%+)
If the drugs were decriminalised it would greatly reduce the illegal immigrant issue at the border.
You hope.
Side note: We're talking decriminalization while simultaneously acknowledging a heroin epidemic..
An epidemic mainly caused by doctors over prescribing opiates.
originally posted by: Trueman
Rather vote for El Chapo. We can do next Woodstock Festival in the WH too. What a joke are these democrats. I not even know what to say.
WALLACE: Mayor, you not only want to decriminalize marijuana, you want to decriminalize all drug possession. You say that the better answer isn't (ph) incarceration -- I mean, rather treatment, not incarceration.
BUTTIGIEG: That's right.
WALLACE: -- but isn't the fact that it's illegal to have -- to possess meth and heroin, doesn't that at least in some way, the fact that's illegal, act as a -- some deterrent to actually trying it in the first place?
BUTTIGIEG: Well, I think the main thing we need to focus on is where you have distribution and the -- the kind of harm that's done there. Well, yes, of course, it's important that it remain illegal but --
WALLACE: But you would decriminalize it, so it wouldn't be illegal?
BUTTIGIEG: Possession should not be that dealt through incarceration and - -
WALLACE: But you would say that possession heroin is not illegal?
BUTTIGIEG: It's not going to be dealt with through incarcerations.
WALLACE: But your -- your website says decriminalize. It would not be illegal?
BUTTIGIEG: Yes. Or it could be a misdemeanor.
www.foxnews.com...
twitter.com... e-confirms-dems-are-soft-on-crime-wants-to-decriminalize-heroin-and-meth%2F
originally posted by: GoShredAK
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: sine.nomine
I don't understand why this is so confusing. Drug addicts have a problem. They need help and attention. Throwing them to the side and thinking less of them empowers their addictions.
May as well throw out people with mental disabilities....
It isn't confusing at all for anyone who understands the basic concept of personal responsibility.
Drug addicts made a choice.
A bad one.
Treating it like a societal problem just makes it worse because then they don't have to accept personal responsibility.
People with mental disabilities did not make that choice.
Is that too hard to understand?
?
Have you ever picked up any sort of substance with addictive potential?
If so you have made the same damn choice as myself and other addicts, recovering or otherwise......
Maybe your just fortunate enough not to have the disease......or the mental trauma that leads to a desperate need to cope....
originally posted by: SRPrime
originally posted by: GoShredAK
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: sine.nomine
I don't understand why this is so confusing. Drug addicts have a problem. They need help and attention. Throwing them to the side and thinking less of them empowers their addictions.
May as well throw out people with mental disabilities....
It isn't confusing at all for anyone who understands the basic concept of personal responsibility.
Drug addicts made a choice.
A bad one.
Treating it like a societal problem just makes it worse because then they don't have to accept personal responsibility.
People with mental disabilities did not make that choice.
Is that too hard to understand?
?
Have you ever picked up any sort of substance with addictive potential?
If so you have made the same damn choice as myself and other addicts, recovering or otherwise......
Maybe your just fortunate enough not to have the disease......or the mental trauma that leads to a desperate need to cope....
This is a self control issue; you don't possess it, many people who have used do. I've done almost every designer drug with the exception of intravenous drugs and never got "addicted" to anything; I used them, experienced it, moved on. It's called choice, and you can make it. The problem is calling it a "disease" so people like you create excuses for being an addict.
My brother struggled with heroin for 15 years, he had the narcan shot 4 times right in the heart, he grew up and has been clean for 10 years. One morning he woke up and said I'm done, and that's all it takes.