Intensity of negative behavior toward US citizens based on politics does not go "both ways"

a reply to: Oblique9043

Star for you

Thanks for this concise, rational and sensible explanation.

I would by lying if I said (at this juncture) I didn't want to see a couple antifa kids get their lights knocked out. However understandable this reaction is, it is still wrong, and I appreciate nyou pointing this out.

I can also understand the POV you mention (from the left). I just find it ironic that they push for a democracy only when their policies are being enacted

All that said, how in Earth do we step back from this brink? How do I, for example, negotiate with someone who is intent on limiting my God given rights (speech, firearms, property ownership, etc)?

I understand they don't feel represented, it is how I felt with Obama's second term (I voted for him in '08) yet I sill clearly understood that enumerated Constitutional rights aren't on the table

I don't hate their agenda or their voters, but we need to make clear that we aren't going to criminalize speech or start attacking gun owners simply because they disagree with the concept of either/any

Virtually every other point of contention is in the table, negotiable, malleable. But amendments 1-10 (aka bill of rights) are not negotiable

Where to go from there? Otherwise our choices are 1)failed state 2)civil war 3)peaceful split

I'd be OK with option 3, but it's be handing China and our many other enemies (Russia, Maduro, North Korea, etc) a huge win

a reply to: Oblique9043

Correct, liberals generally are a decent bunch from my own observations

It is radical authoritarian communists/socialist (like antifa) and a small group of bitter loudmouths attacking conservatives.

Our response has been quite muted simply because we know exactly what is at stake. But make no mistake, don't take our thoughtfulness for complacency or weakness

When it gets down to it, we are well armed and in many cases well trained/equipped. Luckily, we will only fight and win for our Constitution and not some petty political dispute or a handful of violent acts by a handful of provocative morons

That said, we are unified we are cohesive and we will respond to any threat foreign or domestic against our nation, our Constitution and our Republic.

We won't disarm, ever for any reason.
We won't stop telling inconvenient truths.
We won't stop protecting and defending our Constitution and our Bill of Rights against any person or group or government threatening it
...and we won't defend ourselves, as a group, until we're given no other choice.

So what is there to do? Will Dems abandon their attempts to attack gun rights as they exist today? Will Dems decry socialism and reject communism? Will they agree to leave our Bill of Rights alone? That isn't asking for much

I truly believe the right and left are simply incompatible at this point. This will be exemplified by the next election, when we not only keep the Presidency and Senate but possibly take the House back

The ball is and will be in their court. What will they do with it?

a reply to: JBurns

First, everyone should step back and ask themselves what they are doing to contribute to the problem and we have to be honest with ourselves and I mean brutally honest. Do we hold others to standards we dont live up to? Do we excuse our own actions while admonishing others for theirs? Are we fair in our criticisms and do we allow room for forgiveness of past actions without condemning someone forever for one mistake?

Are we really trying to better the situation or are we just feeding a need to lash out at something when the real problem is our own issues? We all need to have some sort of moral standard that we hold each other to and stop with this whataboutism.

No one is perfect and no one is without fault in this so we all need to look at ourselves first and foremost and REALLY look at our own individual shortcomings and ask ourselves these questions.

Second, I would not buy the hype of these far leftists and also ask yourself, if it wasnt for the internet and the news talking about these things, would they even effect your life and would you even know they exist?

The gun thing, sure, I'm pro 2A and that's always going to be an issue with the left and there are some nutty ideas being pushed but I'd argue most of that is hyped up by the right wing talking heads to rile people up and it's a tiny vocal minority in reality.

Besides the democratic socialist ideas that Bernie is campaigning on like healthcare, what realistic left wing policies have you so upset?

The ridiculousness at college campuses is one thing that does worry me. I like Ben Shapiro (havent listened to him in over a year so my opinion could change depending on what hes said since then) and the # he gets on college campuses is absolutely insane.

a reply to: JBurns

Btw, # Antifa. They're a joke.

Some questions I have for you real quick though. What do you think should be done about mass shootings? And if the election doesnt go your way, what will/should the response from Trump and his supporters be?

a reply to: Oblique9043

I’m a huge Trump supporter

“What should the response be if Trump loses” ????

WTF? Is that a serious question?

The “response” should be : carry on with life and vote again next round. You know, like a normal, sane human being. President Trump will do what EVERY single president does and step aside as his successor takes the reigns.

What will the Moronic, pathetic, media-driven “response” be when the President wins a second term?

I think you know the answer to that is : “REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE”

a reply to: Breakthestreak

History does not agree with you seeing as how Trump wouldn't say if he'd accept the results of the 2016 election and was talking about rigged elections before he won and voter fraud after he lost the popular vote by 3million votes. He then set up an entire committee to affirm his belief that it was due to voter fraud to which they had to disband because they found none. Then after the midterm elections in 2018, Trump was again talking about rigged elections to explain the losses the Republicans incurred.

www.theatlantic.com...

a reply to: Oblique9043

He may have said all that but there’s no way he wouldn’t ‘step down’

This ain’t Iraq

a reply to: Breakthestreak

So there is no scenario where you can see him and his supporters not accepting the results of the election?

a reply to: Oblique9043

I would accept the result.

I don’t think his supporters are the same people cNn thinks they are.

The “REEEEEEEEEE” crowd is the crowd who will not accept election results

originally posted by: Oblique9043
a reply to: Breakthestreak

So there is no scenario where you can see him and his supporters not accepting the results of the election?

No

There is no scenario where ‘Trump supporters’ or Trump himself would not accept free and fair election results

Trump and his supporters are most definitely the adults in the room

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: Oblique9043

I would accept the result.

I don’t think his supporters are the same people cNn thinks they are.

The “REEEEEEEEEE” crowd is the crowd who will not accept election results

This is what the foaming type of liberal really needs to understand. The MEDIA is what drives all the anger, not Trump. The RACE card BS needs to stop. The "raycist mysogonist, xenophobic" etc BS needs to stop. The creating a new gender every week BS needs to stop. The focusing on where dudes who look like chicks should take a dump over issues. REAL issues needs to stop. It needed to stop yesterday. There's never been this much lunacy in modern times. I've never seen so many people hate white Christian males just "BECAUSE" in my lifetime. Trump didn't do that. Trump supporters didn't do that...

Until the day comes where all that SJW nonsense stops, Trump's base is only going to grow. Normal thinking people don't buy into that crap.

a reply to: JBurns

You

All that said, how in Earth do we step back from this brink?

You don’t when you have individuals following the likes of AOC. When they totally believe her when she says the world will end in ten years, and it’s the right’s fault. You are mistaken if you think the Dems are about civility. The Dems are the party of any means justifies their end. It’s doesn’t get better until those who believe in any means are no longer elected to office. And shown to be the political bullies and intellectual cowards they are. And when the main stream media is about common sense, not a propaganda machine.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Oblique9043

Where to go from there? Otherwise our choices are 1)failed state 2)civil war 3)peaceful split

I'd be OK with option 3, but it's be handing China and our many other enemies (Russia, Maduro, North Korea, etc) a huge win

This is way off topic, but option #3, a peaceful split, would make an interesting separate thread.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Oblique9043

Correct, liberals generally are a decent bunch from my own observations

It is radical authoritarian communists/socialist (like antifa) and a small group of bitter loudmouths attacking conservatives.

Our response has been quite muted simply because we know exactly what is at stake. But make no mistake, don't take our thoughtfulness for complacency or weakness

When it gets down to it, we are well armed and in many cases well trained/equipped. Luckily, we will only fight and win for our Constitution and not some petty political dispute or a handful of violent acts by a handful of provocative morons

That said, we are unified we are cohesive and we will respond to any threat foreign or domestic against our nation, our Constitution and our Republic.

We won't disarm, ever for any reason.
We won't stop telling inconvenient truths.
We won't stop protecting and defending our Constitution and our Bill of Rights against any person or group or government threatening it
...and we won't defend ourselves, as a group, until we're given no other choice.

So what is there to do? Will Dems abandon their attempts to attack gun rights as they exist today? Will Dems decry socialism and reject communism? Will they agree to leave our Bill of Rights alone? That isn't asking for much

I truly believe the right and left are simply incompatible at this point. This will be exemplified by the next election, when we not only keep the Presidency and Senate but possibly take the House back

The ball is and will be in their court. What will they do with it?

Our nation is so evenly divided politically, and increasingly partisan, that I wonder if the union of states is becoming unworkable, impractical. If the party that doesn’t hold the presidency automatically rejects every proposal by the latter and vice versa, we’ve become ungovernable. Then again, rapidly changing demographics and omnipresent brainwashing of kids these days points to a significant majority of liberal, progressive and minority voters in the near future. That’ll break the gridlock and the left will get its way on most things. Fortunately, I’ll be gone by then and won’t have to see what becomes of America.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: Oblique9043
a reply to: Breakthestreak

So there is no scenario where you can see him and his supporters not accepting the results of the election?

No

There is no scenario where ‘Trump supporters’ or Trump himself would not accept free and fair election results

Trump and his supporters are most definitely the adults in the room

Agreed. The vast majority of conservatives aren’t revolutionaries, but neither were the colonists who revolted against Britain until they had taken all they could stand. It would take a terrible provocation to incite us into widespread violence, and losing a presidential election fair and square ain’t one of them. Now if there were clear evidence of massive cheating, well ... maybe. But I doubt even that would do it. We mostly just want to live our lives and would be happy to forget all about politics and social issues. However, these are different times we live in; hopefully not interesting times.

a reply to: Oblique9043

Rigged elections. Let me say two things here.

My Mother cast a vote in the 2012 Presidential Election. She lived with me and voted at the same polling place. When we voted, you went in, a poll worker found your name in the book and you signed your name. You were handed a numbered stub and that number was written in the book. You went cast your ballot and came back. The poll worker tore the stub in half, gave you one half, highlighted your name in the book and put the other half into a box. I was one of the first people in that morning, because I had to catch a flight later that day. When I got there I noticed that my Mother's name was highlighted, there was a signature (not hers) and a number. I voted and then questioned them about my Mother's name being highlighted. I was told to leave or they would call the Police.

In the 2016 Presidential Election, I had just finished casting my vote, when I was asked to be a witness while a poll worker corrected a woman's ballot. She had cast a straight Republican vote, but, Hilary's name kept coming up for the Presidential vote. Finally the ballot was corrected to her satisfaction and I had to sign a form stating that I was a witness to her ballot being corrected to her satisfaction. I found out later, that this had happened several times in our County. A Democrat Judge issued a statement saying that it was a "calibration error". If it was actually a "calibration error", there should have been some cases where a Trump vote should have come up on a straight Democrat vote. Trust me that didn't happen, because the Media would have been all over it. I ran into that Judge a while later and told him that he was full of crap on the "calibration error" bit, he laughed and said that it sounded good on television. I've programmed touch screens.

Funny how the majority of the time things like these tend to favor the Democrats. Remember the saying, "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action."

originally posted by: Scapegrace

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Oblique9043

Where to go from there? Otherwise our choices are 1)failed state 2)civil war 3)peaceful split

I'd be OK with option 3, but it's be handing China and our many other enemies (Russia, Maduro, North Korea, etc) a huge win

This is way off topic, but option #3, a peaceful split, would make an interesting separate thread.

Agreed!

You should start one. I bet it will get a lot of responses...

I notice how you all keep saying you'd accept the results of a "fair election" and I'll tell you why that is. It's because if you lose, Trump will claim it was rigged and that's your way of nullifying the results. He'll do so with zero evidence like he did last time and you all will follow right along suit. Watch. Trump isn't leaving office until the day he dies.

a reply to: JIMC5499

And whats your evidence for your claim that " the majority of the time things like these tend to favor the Democrats."?

a reply to: Oblique9043
I know the area where I live. You tend to hear things.