Intensity of negative behavior toward US citizens based on politics does not go "both ways"

originally posted by: operation mindcrime

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: skyturnedgrey

You're just reinforcing the OP.

Violent leftist assaults are almost 400% higher than those committed by Trump supporters. And that's not even getting into property damage and vandalism.

So one is worse than the other....??

How about, they are equally dumb?

Peace

They’re both bad of course, but one side does it far more often. It’s a matter of degree.

originally posted by: XCrycek
You Trumpsters are addicts of victim mentality.
Soon we'll have threads about "silent genocide" of Trump supporters.
Lol.

My friend, you better pray we don’t continue to turn the cheek to these assaults. Conservatives are a much tougher and better armed breed. If violent responses to these abuses were to become the norm, you would see some very sad leftist assailants; quite a few would be very dead. Conservatives, in general, just want to be left alone to live their lives the best they can. Don’t mistake that for weakness.

originally posted by: ABNARTY
a reply to: The2Billies

I think if I were to label myself as a traditional liberal or as someone concerned with the common American, I would have some serious depression. The DNC is supposed be all about them.

Right now the DNC is all about...I don't know. But the party to whom I would traditionally align myself with is gone.

The population to which they are catering, is tiny. Crazy and loud but tiny. I would not want to be associated with them.

So who do I go with? Right now things are doing pretty well or at least as well as imperfect Republics do. So... I go with 'keep the good going''? Or I go with 'we love crazies!'?

I switched from registered Democrat to registered Republican three years ago because I finally realized the dems don’t care about white men or American workers in general. I’m not saying Republicans are perfect; too many of them still want to import cheap foreign labor to supplant Americans. But you only have two realistic choices when voting, and I vote for the lesser of two evils.

a reply to: The2Billies

Michael J Fox of all people should know the difference between a person and a persona, since he was a successful actor.

The absolute number one reason that establishment Democrats hate Trump, is because he used to be a Democrat. His party change and rise to the presidency is not only a loss of power, but acknowledgment that their policy has been rebuked by the majority of the country.

Simply put. They hate Trump because it is Obama’s fault and they cannot publicly admit to that fact. Obama’s Hope and Change, was more of the same or worse. And Hillary would have let it all continue. The People did not want that, this Trump changed to fulfill that need. Which is further proof of the failed platform of the DNC.

That leadership passes their hatred on down the chain. The current candidates, for the most part are authoritarian socialists. They have to be angry (persona) to grab attention. But at the same time, it will take Authoritarianism to implement their policies.

Take Obamacare for example. It wasn’t just “You MUST have an insurance policy by law.” It was “You have to have OUR SPECIFIC insurance policy by law.” That isn’t left-leaning. That is Totalitarianism. And an already free society is going to reject it provided they can see it for what it is before it is too late. Russia did not go from a free society to the USSR. It was a monarchy. Things didn’t change a whole lot except for the religious and advocates for democracy or ones that thought it should have stopped at democratic socialism.

Joe Stalin didn’t play nice. Joe Biden...will other people in charge. I bet they don’t play nice either.

a reply to: The2Billies
That 360+ number should be an order of magnitude higher. Near where I work, last April, a 78 year old veteran was blind sided because one of the "woke" mistook his red Marine Corps had for a MAGA hat. This resulted in broken femur for the veteran. Witnesses stated that the attacker shouted "F*ck you Trumptard" at the vet before running off. The local District Attorney (a Democrat) played down the cause of the attack, and called it an accident. The Vet was forced to move out of his home into an assisted living center due to his injuries. How many times has this happened and wasn't counted? Some Governments support this type of violence (Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, New York, Baltimore.......)

By the way the attacker was dealt with and the DA will be taken care of this November.

They're not "leftists" or "liberals" just because they attack Trump supporters. I'd be willing to bet most of them don't even vote. They're just angry citizens who see Trump for the lying conman he is and they're feeding into his hate tactics and attacking his supporters. Stop with this narrative that liberals are attacking Trump supporters. Thats a fallacy based on your black and white thinking. It's possible to hate Trump while not even paying attention to politics otherwise. Lets compare the violence at Bernie rallies if you want a fair comparison. This is a bull# talking point.

a reply to: Oblique9043
Pull the other one.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Interesting and somewhat relative to Christianity and preachers in the church
I have noted many who yell and rant at the congregation, almost in anger and demeaning. I have noted it so often in charismatic churches, talking down and in anger, anger, arrogance and superiority.
I expect it’s because the message is so baseless and stupid that inciting emotion and superiority is the only way to get a reaction.
That this happens in politics is not surprising though I have not noticed it

Pretty silly of people to swallow this contempt and allow themselves to be patronised by fools

I won’t stay in a church where some trumped up arrogant minister yells at the people who pay his or her wage. Surprises me other do

Finally, these preachers won’t allow themselves to be questioned.

Interesting op, find it relevant, wonder if it’s across other aspects of life

I think most pastors are angry because they keep telling their congregation to love each other and live holy lives and they continually fail at every turn lol

a reply to: Oblique9043

I’d love to see an example of the President’s “hate tactics” you just made up.

a reply to: The2Billies

Spot on Mr. Fox

This is terrorism, and is limited to the left. "Both sides do it" is quite wrong indeed, DEMS do it. Their nut bag red commie antifa and Venezuela supporting "code pink" nut job neck twitchers are a microcosom of a larger defect on the left. Where crazies like antifa can invade a peaceful protest and be lauded as heros by their fellow zealots simply because they disagree with some of the people attending. Where dictators are worthy of cheers and Americans fighting for Americans are considered the bad guy. THAT is today's radical left.

When you are called a Nazi for daring to acknowledge the greatness of your own nation and scrawny bird people like Omar and bloated Tlaib can spew their anti-Semitic hatred while being excused by all Dems in congress
they are insincere hoaxers who hate this country, hate our freedom and despise our people.

That feeling is mutual. I freely admit, that feeling is now mutual. Thy have turned a simple difference of policies into a crusade to ensure the future of our country as a Republic vs. yet another failed third world dump full of garbage and hate. Never

Go away 0crats

a reply to: The2Billies

Great OP and no they didn't report it in Miami at all. I've said it before, I'm amazed a conservative hasn't shot one of these antifa/triggered woke b@stards.... If that happens get ready to see Ferguson all over again in major Dem citiles.

Far as I'm concerned, let them continue to eat their own....

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: Oblique9043

I’d love to see an example of the President’s “hate tactics” you just made up.

I look forward to your inevitable mental gymnastics and psychological defense mechanisms.

originally posted by: XCrycek
You Trumpsters are addicts of victim mentality.
Soon we'll have threads about "silent genocide" of Trump supporters.
Lol.

Hilarious.

Especially coming from someone that identifies with a political party that couldn't find it's own ass with both hands and a hunting dog.

Come on back once you guys start holding positions that will allow you to win something...then maybe we'll listen.

Until then...[snore]

a reply to: AnonymousMoose

think most pastors are angry because they keep telling their congregation to love each other and live holy lives and they continually fail at every turn lol

Which one fails?

The congregation, the pastors or both?

I vote both!

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: The2Billies

Spot on Mr. Fox

This is terrorism, and is limited to the left. "Both sides do it" is quite wrong indeed, DEMS do it. Their nut bag red commie antifa and Venezuela supporting "code pink" nut job neck twitchers are a microcosom of a larger defect on the left. Where crazies like antifa can invade a peaceful protest and be lauded as heros by their fellow zealots simply because they disagree with some of the people attending. Where dictators are worthy of cheers and Americans fighting for Americans are considered the bad guy. THAT is today's radical left.

When you are called a Nazi for daring to acknowledge the greatness of your own nation and scrawny bird people like Omar and bloated Tlaib can spew their anti-Semitic hatred while being excused by all Dems in congress
they are insincere hoaxers who hate this country, hate our freedom and despise our people.

That feeling is mutual. I freely admit, that feeling is now mutual. Thy have turned a simple difference of policies into a crusade to ensure the future of our country as a Republic vs. yet another failed third world dump full of garbage and hate. Never

Go away 0crats

Another example of liberal hypocrisy is the left’s refusal to denounce Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for their blatantly antisemitic statements. Yet they accuse Trump of antisemitism despite his being previously married to a Jew and having a Jewish daughter, granddaughter and son-in-law; not to mention his denunciations of antisemitism and support for Israel. Facts and logic just don’t work when arguing with the left.

originally posted by: Oblique9043

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: Oblique9043

I’d love to see an example of the President’s “hate tactics” you just made up.

I look forward to your inevitable mental gymnastics and psychological defense mechanisms.

So what’s the toll so far from his tough talk? A protester got sucker punched? Did I miss anything else? That doesn’t begin to compare with the violence and intimidation tactics the left has waged on his supporters. We can’t wear a MAGA hat without some self-righteous SJW attacking us. We can’t have a display or signs on a college campus without getting insulted, having our materials vandalized and even assaulted at times. I’m unaware of any similar actions by conservative students. We have the right to defend ourselves. You’d better hope we don’t start acting upon that right.

a reply to: Scapegrace

www.theguardian.com...

Also, let me again reiterate my point that just because someone attacks a Trump supporter that does not automatically mean they are a liberal or a democrat. It just means they don't like Trump. You can't just make an assumption of their political affliction and this entire premise of the "left" being more violent is based on this logical fallacy. Show me where a Hilary or Bernie supporter committed these acts (and I'm not saying that hasn't happened btw) and you might start to have a point but until then its a bull# argument.

originally posted by: Oblique9043
a reply to: Scapegrace

www.theguardian.com...

Also, let me again reiterate my point that just because someone attacks a Trump supporter that does not automatically mean they are a liberal or a democrat. It just means they don't like Trump. You can't just make an assumption of their political affliction and this entire premise of the "left" being more violent is based on this logical fallacy. Show me where a Hilary or Bernie supporter committed these acts (and I'm not saying that hasn't happened btw) and you might start to have a point but until then its a bull# argument.

Fair enough. I don’t equate every right-wing or racist nutjob with Trump, so you’re probably right at least some of the time, perhaps even most of the time. However, and please correct me if I’m wrong, I’m not aware of any dem prez candidate condemning antifa, the abuse of Trump supporters in general — including incidents at Trump rallies — or the verbal and physical attacks on conservative students. As far as I know, Trump has condemned every mass shooting motivated by racism and antisemitism and has said he wants nothing to do with racist groups. Note: IIRC, the guy who shot Scalise was a self-avowed Bernie supporter.

Actually some of them have thrown gas on the fire. Then there's the Congress critters that have called for the harassment of Conservatives. Not to mention the local Governments who protect Antifa and other like groups.

a reply to: Scapegrace

I have stated many times (not on here, I'm rather new) that commiting violence or harassing Trump supporters is wrong and is merely an ego based desire to point your anger and hatred at something the person has deemed a justifiable target. It does nothing but make things worse and causes Trump supporters to make the arguments that are being made in this thread and to justify their own violence which which all things considered, after seeing how they got attacked during the 2016 election, you couldnt really blame them for being prepared this time and that's the last thing anyone should want, an escalation of violence.

Might I add some context for it though just in the interest of understanding each other. This is by no means a justification and do with this information what you will but imo the reason for the hostility is because these people feel like Trump represents everything that has been oppressing them their whole lives. Whether it be a narcissistic parent or racist beliefs about illegals etc. How you all feel you're being oppressed by liberals and what not, you at the very least feel like you have a real voice. I guarantee you these people dont feel like Hilary represents them and even Obama at this juncture. They feel like no one in power is on their side and they see Trump as a representation of the older white centric established order because by his own admission, he always has been, until he ran for election according to him.