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originally posted by: daskakik
I'm saying that no ox is being gored.
Someone finally put up a definition and, lo and behold, it doesn't fit. There are 546 top positions in the current US government. POTUS is 1.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
Hold the majority in Congress and Control the Executive Branch with bureaucrats following toe to heel and you can change a lot including the Constitution.
To be honest I think the end game would be to change the Constitution and get rid of the Republic.
originally posted by: daskakik
I don't think so. Countries all over the world are adopting the US model. Why would the US give it up? It works, kinda.
originally posted by: daskakik
All I asked was, didn't the dems have the house and the senate while holding the executive? None of what you said happened when this was the case.
The reason to point out the 5 constitutions in my country in the past 100 years is that constitutions can be changed and it isn't the end of the world.
The EC has agreed with the popular vote almost every time so I don't think it would make much difference if it stays or goes. State rights VS Federal has always been a thing, so I would say that the US would be pretty much the same.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
They held for a short period of time, and as I said the vote changed it, but now it seems the vote is too tricky for them.
Is your country a republic? America see their Constitution as inalienable rights... You don't change inalienable rights, so America would be drastically changed, would not be America/United States anymore.
You don't think...What you don't know is why the College is so important in maintaining equal rights for each state. Does the EU use the popular vote for their EU Presidents? no...
You keep describing a Democracy and that it wouldn't be bad if America went that way, but America is like 50 countries form into a union like the EU is, so would you have no issue with the EU just becoming one big country like the Roman empire?
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: Xtrozero
They held for a short period of time, and as I said the vote changed it, but now it seems the vote is too tricky for them.
And I was pointing out that it had already happened and things continued pretty much the same.
Is your country a republic? America see their Constitution as inalienable rights... You don't change inalienable rights, so America would be drastically changed, would not be America/United States anymore.
Yes, it is a republic.
First of all, you have yet to prove that anyone is out to get rid of the constitution and even if it were replaced, it would still be the USA. The US has drastically changed since the constitution was adopted. The constitution could not prevent that.
You don't think...What you don't know is why the College is so important in maintaining equal rights for each state. Does the EU use the popular vote for their EU Presidents? no...
But the fact is that it almost always agrees with the popular vote, so there would not be much difference.
You keep describing a Democracy and that it wouldn't be bad if America went that way, but America is like 50 countries form into a union like the EU is, so would you have no issue with the EU just becoming one big country like the Roman empire?
I'm not describing anything. I'm pointing out the hype about some of the things you posted.
ETA: Just like the OP is hyped using the word coup, so is people thinking the EC keeps the flyover states from being ruled by the coastal states or that a change in the constitution can only mean total tyranny afterwards.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: mtnshredder
I grew up in the states and know its politics well.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: mtnshredder
I grew up in the states and know its politics well.
Besides, I'm just talking logic and pointing out how people use hyperbole when it suits them.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: mtnshredder
That all you have?
We are going to a-ha, na-ha for a couple of pages?
ETA: Not a mind reader. I have no idea what you "think" you got me on.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: mtnshredder
We are going to a-ha, na-ha for a couple of pages?
FFS You spent this whole thread debating the word “coup”.
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: shooterbrody
FBI Director Wray says he has referred those "still working at the FBI" to the disciplinary review board.
1.) That board recommended that McCabe be fired. He was...and got over $800,000 in his GoFundMe with the first 3 months.
2.) Only 3 or 4 low-level FBI agents involved with the illegal FISA scam are still with the FBI. Higher higher-ups got out of there, or were fired.
But the fact is that it almost always agrees with the popular vote, so there would not be much difference.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: daskakik
The line is at replacing the entire government.
Anything less than that isn't a coup d'état.
Ok you win by your personal definition, who cares.... This was a START of a coup that failed... I think a couple of people suggested that already.
originally posted by: daskakik
Thought so. "Almost always" means it has only conflicted with the popular vote 5 times in the entire history of the US.