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Why is this being soft pedaled as being an unusual aberration of behavior within top level FBI officials? Just because the Marines did not open fire does not mean a coup attempt did not occur.
Riffrafter: As a former Marine, I can tell you that if there was ever any real danger, there would have been a whole lot of blood on the walls.Truly.We protect our Commander-in-Chief.No matter what.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: [post=24930661]projectvxn[/post
Many have spent the last three years avoiding or outright denying reality.
No matter what is said or who says it, they will never believe that the President is not a Russian asset, or that he didn't engage in quid pro quo in a corrupt extortion attempt
Because he is. And he did.
We just had two months of testimony and hearings proving he did.
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: daskakik
Nixon wasn't forced to resign?? Technically, no. In reality, oh yes he was.
...and many believe that the Kennedy Assassination was, indeed, a coup. Orchestrated either by, or for, then sitting VP Lyndon B. Johnson.
Kennedy was making noises about removing, or at least curtailing, US activities in SE Asia, and upon his removal, or murder rather, US policy took a decided 180 degree turn is somewhat suspicious, to my mind, and others far smarter than I.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: seagull
No, a coup is an attack on a whole government/system. It is a regime change. Outing Trump would not be a regime change. Simple as that.
Of course the use of the term coup is for political agenda driven hype. And here you guys are showing that their tools still work against you.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
For the lazy...
FBI Director Christopher Wray agreed that the Justice Department and the FBI illegally surveilled Carter Page when they used British ex-spy Christopher Steele’s unverified dossier to obtain four Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants against the Trump campaign associate.
I would bet there are some really pissed off VISA Judges...Don't think this will stop here. The whole premise to the VISA court is the agency that is coming to them brings accurate data that the court assumes is correct as they have very little time to investigate the data.
All this really makes Watergate seem so small doesn't it?
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Xtrozero
All this really makes Watergate seem so small doesn't it?
It does, doesn't it. ...and there's a long, and rather dark, history of it within the FBI. Ol' J. Edgar built his power base the old fashioned way...by playing dirty. It's evident that the BI has a very long institutional history, and learned the lessons well.
The Senate looked at it, and essentially laughed it out of the room. Even those Republicans, save for one sanguine exception, who don't especially like Trump couldn't bring themselves to vote for anything other than acquittal.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Xtrozero
Yes and all that crap doesn't make for a coup either.
Calling it a coup is just political hype.
Indeed. What the Obama admin did to thwart the Trump campaign was so much worse than Watergate. If the use of the FBI and CIA to directly influence a presidential election doesn’t terrify you, you’ve given up on government by the people and for the people. The bitter irony about this is the common belief on the left that Trump is or aspires to be a dictator.
originally posted by: shooterbrody
originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: shooterbrody
I'm shocked!
Shocked I say!
No.... No I can't believe it.
I won't believe it!
I shan't believe it!
Oh, the humanity!
Will you be laughing if trump does what obama did?
I think not.
Black nixon is responsible for the worst scandal in American history.
He used the power of the us intelligence community against his political rival.
originally posted by: Riffrafter
You can play sophistry games all day long.
But it is what it is.
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
The only part that fails to meet the description is 'sudden'.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Riffrafter
Do you mean FISA vs VISA?
Ya FISA, quick typing...
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: Riffrafter
You can play sophistry games all day long.
So can campaign managers.
But it is what it is.
Sure, but it also isn't what it isn't.