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My core problem with the Left

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posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 09:11 PM
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First of all, I'm a centrist, multiple political tests have placed me smack in the middle, or slightly to the right. In my younger years I was quite far left, but with time I came to see the flaws in my socialist philosophies. My belief system is now a mix of ideals from both sides, I'm not religious and I've always been a futurist so I wouldn't describe myself as conservative, however I'm sure some people here would probably label me alt-right or far-right simply because I support Trump.

The reason I tend to prefer politicians on the right is simply because they are less deceptive. For some on the left that probably sounds like a completely ridiculous statement to make, but allow me to explain why it's a valid statement. Lets go back to 2016, leaks revealed how the DNC screwed Bernie to prop up Hillary, and their response is to say Russia influenced the election by leaking that information instead of acknowledging any wrong doing on their part.

Then for years they tried countless underhanded tactics to remove Trump from power, until finally in 2019 they think they've got him for coercing Ukrainian officials to get dirt on a Joe Biden. Trump asked the President of Ukraine to investigate a bribe Joe Biden may have provided to Ukraine, which it seems Biden admitted to doing on camera. Again they pay zero attention to the potential corruption involving Biden, the entire focus is on the "quid pro quo" deal despite the transcript showing no such deal existed and no witnesses directly heard such a deal take place.

My core problem with the left is they're inability to accept any responsibility for their own failures. Their response to Trump being elected was to blame white males and conspiracy theories, and the solution in their mind is to simply "reprogram" people using biased algorithms and censorship. Instead of trying to build strong ideological principles which can beat the ideologies of the right, they decide to simply censor opinions on the right and heavily push their ideals through all forms of media.

To me it's just pathetic that because they cannot win over minds legitimately they resort to social engineering, and it's the ultimate form of deceptive behavior. Yes the far-right has a lot of propaganda too but unlike most MSM outlets and universities they don't mold the world view of millions of people and they aren't imbued with a high level of trust and authority. At least some politicians on the right like Rand Paul have a sense of humility and responsibility for their own failures.

Then I look to the left and I see critters such as Nancy and Hillary who are the very epitome of untrustworthy. Of course there are also many untrustworthy politicians on the right and there are some good ones on the left, I would say Tulsi is one of those good ones, and ironically she's also one of the most hated by the establishment left. If people like me approve of her then surely she must be some type of Russian spy... sadly some people actually believe that, and those people are in a deep ideological trance.

Perhaps when Trump is reelected the left will finally see how their obvious social engineering is not having the intended effect and is really just creating more division. If the Dems really believe in democracy so much then they should try allowing voters to pick their candidate instead of forcing people to vote for establishment stooges like Warren and Biden, maybe then they've have a chance to beat Trump. I'm even seeing Trump supporters sympathize with Bernie supporters even though we clearly don't agree with his socialist ideals.

Everyone can agree that these types of shenanigans are not acceptable, but the Dems do it over and over again then pin the blame on everyone else. Yet some people still believe in them, much like some people still think CNN is a source of completely factual and unbiased news. On the other hand if there's even the slightest hint of corruption on the right it's immediately the top story regardless of how much substance there is behind the story or how unbelievable the story sounds, it is horrendously one-sided.
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posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 09:29 PM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
... In my younger years I was quite far left, but with time I came to see the flaws in my socialist philosophies. My belief system is now a mix of ideals from both sides, I'm not religious and I've always been a futurist so I wouldn't describe myself as conservative, however I'm sure some people here would probably label me alt-right or far-right simply because I support Trump. ...


I think it was Winston Churchill who's credited with saying, "If you are not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart; if you are not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain."
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posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I agree, and am largely in the same boat.
I'm fine with abortion, I don't think religion should be anywhere near our lawmaking thought process.
I don't care if gay people get married.

But the blatant hypocrisy, authoritarianism, delusional group think and total inability for objective rationality has left me vehemently anti-leftist.

How any reasonable adult could possibly take their political leadership seriously is mind bottling.

They've become a cartoon caricature of an ideology. A sad yet terrifying parody.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
... Perhaps when Trump is reelected the left will finally see how their obvious social engineering is not having the intended effect and is really just creating more division. If the Dems really believe in democracy so much then they should try allowing voters to pick their candidate instead of forcing people to vote for establishment stooges like Warren and Biden, maybe then they've have a chance to beat Trump. I'm even seeing Trump supporters sympathize with Bernie supporters even though we clearly don't agree with his socialist ideals.


I wouldn't bet on it. These people are as self-unaware as any oxygen processing entity can be.

Did you see that now some of them are blaming the Iowa Caucus debacle on ... believe it or not ... Donald Trump and his supporters. Yeah, can't even take responsibility for their own cock-up. It's the Right's fault.

Nah, they'll never figure out what's wrong. It'll always be somebody else's fault. Remember, these are the folks who believe that everybody gets a trophy.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: incoserv

You need to take into account people that just don't care or are oblivious, I don't understand why some people think this is a partisan issue, idiots and users don't necessarily have a favourite political preference.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder
It's been clown world since the end of Obama...and since Trump was elected, the world has gone full blown Idiocracy. People want everything their way, and they want it NOW...or else. Seemingly no one has any common sense anymore, and the amount of do as I say not as I BLATANTLY do, is amazing because more often than not, it's so brazen and in YOUR FACE it's amazing that people dont out and out rebel against it. Sure, there are means to get these people out of office but the world is so polluted with absolute morons, it's getting harder and harder...while the people they put in office actively make laws and more rules to get rid of them...while being cheered on by the brainless who out them there. None of what is going on in this world helps my long time struggle with mental illness, especially when I'm more sane than most of these people with power. Remember the show Sliders? Yeah, somehow I feel I'm stuck here.

edit on 7-2-2020 by BoscoMoney because: bleh



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 09:46 PM
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The reason I tend to prefer politicians on the right is simply because they are less deceptive. For some on the left that probably sounds like a completely ridiculous statement to make, but allow me to explain why it's a valid statement.


The reason you prefer politicians on the right is the reason I can never take anyone on the right seriously. The idea that someone is more honest because they’re openly corrupt and not as good at hiding it has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. And it feeds into the idea that everyone is corrupt, so what does it matter. And that couldn’t be further from the truth.


Lets go back to 2016, leaks revealed how the DNC screwed Bernie to prop up Hillary, and their response is to say Russia influenced the election by leaking that information instead of acknowledging any wrong doing on their part.


I guess I’m the only one who finds it a little bit strange that both the DNC and GOP were hacked, but only the DNC emails were released. I’m sure that doesn’t mean anything, and had no effect on politics in America at all.

*laughs in Rand Paul hand delivering a letter to Putin from Donald Trump



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
I'm sure some people here would probably label me alt-right or far-right simply because I support Trump.

Trump is a Populist not a Conservative; he is more a centrist similar to Kennedy. More reasonable than most of the Dems these days. The Dems and their bully boy Strong Armed Media Cudgel label him such: King, Oligarch, Hitler, Dictator. They are relentless in their dishonesty. It is only going to worsen and with that will become Self Evident that they have lost their minds. There is nothing rational about their desperate attempts to undue the 2016 election.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 10:07 PM
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The thing that turns me off the most about the left is how racist they are. Its' freakin creepy.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
I'm sure some people here would probably label me alt-right or far-right simply because I support Trump.

Trump is a Populist not a Conservative; he is more a centrist similar to Kennedy. More reasonable than most of the Dems these days. The Dems and their bully boy Strong Armed Media Cudgel label him such: King, Oligarch, Hitler, Dictator. They are relentless in their dishonesty. It is only going to worsen and with that will become Self Evident that they have lost their minds. There is nothing rational about their desperate attempts to undue the 2016 election.



Yes! So true, Trump is the most centrist president weve had in ages.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 11:01 PM
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What Isee their main problem is they don't think their crap doesn't stink but yous does.
When in reality they are not hose broke and they crap to close to the house.


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posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 11:02 PM
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In my younger years I was quite far left, but with time I came to see the flaws in my socialist philosophies.

I have often said,"within every liberal there is a conservative screaming to get out".



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

The reason you prefer politicians on the right is the reason I can never take anyone on the right seriously. The idea that someone is more honest because they’re openly corrupt and not as good at hiding it has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. And it feeds into the idea that everyone is corrupt, so what does it matter. And that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Well I didn't say that, because I don't think Trump is openly corrupt, I think he's probably the least corrupt U.S. president in quite a while. Put it this way, the left views the acquittal as corruption by Republicans, whereas the right sees the impeachment attempt as pure partisan hackery which is sorely lacking in evidence, because they are well aware Trump has the next election in the bag. The impeachment proceedings have only boosted Trump's poll numbers, instead of waiting a short period of time and trying to win power legitimately, their instinct is to instead take power by force because they think they control the world from the shadows. It's that type of deceptive behavior which I and many others clearly don't like, they think people are too dumb to make decisions for themselves and must have choices made for them.



posted on Feb, 8 2020 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
I'm sure some people here would probably label me alt-right or far-right simply because I support Trump.

Trump is a Populist not a Conservative; he is more a centrist similar to Kennedy. More reasonable than most of the Dems these days. The Dems and their bully boy Strong Armed Media Cudgel label him such: King, Oligarch, Hitler, Dictator. They are relentless in their dishonesty. It is only going to worsen and with that will become Self Evident that they have lost their minds. There is nothing rational about their desperate attempts to undue the 2016 election.



I agree and have said the same with the comparison to Kennedy. Trump certainly isnt a conservative or a republican. Its just that the Dems have gone so far left. Theyve gone sooo far left that they become what they claim to hate.. dictators. Theyre intensely racist and I cant believe in the day of the internet that people cant see what they say and claim.. and what they do are 2 different things. Speaking as a non white woman... I dont need the great white hand to lift me up. I just need the Democrats to stop roadblocking me at every point while patting me on the head. With Trump, he isnt who we need forever. He is who we need for RIGHT NOW. We need him and his flavor of personality to open cans of worms and etc. Its a process to change a country. The dems know this and its why they are trying everything in the book to turn the citizens against him.



posted on Feb, 8 2020 @ 03:17 AM
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To the OP

When Nixon’s people were accused of wrong doing, look at how the democrat congress behaved.

Nixon had been re-elected by the biggest majority since FDR, carrying 49 states.

Congress didn’t accuse the president of wrongdoing, at first. They said it was his loyal henchmen who committed crimes, possibly without his knowledge. They were careful from making accusations they couldn’t prove, and led their loyal media (which they controlled even then) to avoid speculations.

They held the majority, but proceeded slowly and carefully, laying out their case in such a way to show the president’s supporters that Nixon’s behavior after the fact, showed how he wanted to protect suspected criminals if they were helping him, and that he chose to profit from their attempts to spoil the election. We still don’t know if Nixon was in on it before the watergate break in; but we know he interfered with the attorney general and special prosecutors, and even the justices of the Supreme Court. The phrase of the day was, “it’s not the crime, but it’s the coverup.

Compare that with impeach2020(TM), where the Democrats issued subpoenas, not by the house (as is mentioned in the constitution), but by an internal house committee, with no legal coercive authority whatever. In my opinion, the president was right to refuse such an ersatz subpoena. Standing committees doing the work of the house are not mentioned in the constitution; legally it would be as if an individual house rep demanded to see the President’s personal papers, making each house rep the equal of, or superior to, the attorney general.

The committees refused to let the presidents party call a single witness, or offer up any speech in his defense. They interviewed witnesses in private without republican members present or the witnesses having a lawyer. We don’t even know that their entire testimony was even recorded—the things they might have said that could have cleared trump.

Sniff told things the the press which were knowing lies. The whistle blower coordinated with shift. Could it have been more partisan.



posted on Feb, 8 2020 @ 06:36 AM
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originally posted by: JON666
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

What Isee their main problem is they don't think their crap doesn't stink but yous does.
When in reality they are not hose broke and they crap to close to the house.




Ummm...hell...they crap in the streets brutha...they crap on your doorstep...on the sidewalk in front of your door...on the sidewalk in front of your fave restaurant...

On your lawn...nope...NOT...the neighbors dog...

I really can’t fathom how they’re always so full of Shiite...when they’ve filled the streets with their...effluvia...


No Bull Shiite...

All leftist human...





YouSir



posted on Feb, 8 2020 @ 08:30 AM
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Generally speaking, I'm all for people finding what works for them. And when you do, I'm happy for you, and you have every right to tell me and try to convince me that your way will be great for me too. But I reserve the right to decide if I go your way or not. I might like my way better.

Leftists think they find a way, and it's *the* way and everyone has go that way, whether or not they want to, and when they don't, leftists think they need to be coerced along anyhow because leftists are convinced they're the smartest and best.



posted on Feb, 8 2020 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: caterpillage

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
I'm sure some people here would probably label me alt-right or far-right simply because I support Trump.

Trump is a Populist not a Conservative; he is more a centrist similar to Kennedy. More reasonable than most of the Dems these days. The Dems and their bully boy Strong Armed Media Cudgel label him such: King, Oligarch, Hitler, Dictator. They are relentless in their dishonesty. It is only going to worsen and with that will become Self Evident that they have lost their minds. There is nothing rational about their desperate attempts to undue the 2016 election.


Yes! So true, Trump is the most centrist president weve had in ages.

The Dems seemingly *centrist* idea, ultimate goal of a Socialistic America would give a few Very Unimpressive people a lot of power. This is so reckless it borders on a danger so obscene I fear for this country.

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posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 12:34 AM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder


Then for years they tried countless underhanded tactics to remove Trump from power, until finally in 2019 they think they've got him for coercing Ukrainian officials to get dirt on a Joe Biden. Trump asked the President of Ukraine to investigate a bribe Joe Biden may have provided to Ukraine, which it seems Biden admitted to doing on camera. Again they pay zero attention to the potential corruption involving Biden, the entire focus is on the "quid pro quo" deal despite the transcript showing no such deal existed and no witnesses directly heard such a deal take place.


What is wrong with you people??? The GOP has admitted Trump is guilty. Stop with this "no quid pro quo" bull#.

www.latimes.com...

Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) and Marco Rubio (R- Fla.) were the first out of the block to explain that the president is guilty but shouldn’t be ousted for it.

In a statement, Rubio explained that he always worked from the assumption the charges were true, but: “Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office.”

Alexander was even more emphatic. In his statement, he said the House managers “have proved [the charges] with what they call a ‘mountain of overwhelming evidence.’” In an interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Alexander dismissed the need for more witnesses. “If you have eight witnesses who say someone left the scene of an accident, why do you need nine? I mean, the question for me was: Do I need more evidence to conclude that the president did what he did? And I concluded no.”





My core problem with the left is they're inability to accept any responsibility for their own failures. Their response to Trump being elected was to blame white males and conspiracy theories, and the solution in their mind is to simply "reprogram" people using biased algorithms and censorship. Instead of trying to build strong ideological principles which can beat the ideologies of the right, they decide to simply censor opinions on the right and heavily push their ideals through all forms of media.


Were you asleep during 2009-2016? Or did you just forget the Obama conspiracy theories during his presidency?




To me it's just pathetic that because they cannot win over minds legitimately they resort to social engineering, and it's the ultimate form of deceptive behavior. Yes the far-right has a lot of propaganda too but unlike most MSM outlets and universities they don't mold the world view of millions of people and they aren't imbued with a high level of trust and authority. At least some politicians on the right like Rand Paul have a sense of humility and responsibility for their own failures.


You think people like Rush Limbaugh and Fox News dont influence millions of people and aren't trusted as the ultimate authorities by the right?






Then I look to the left and I see critters such as Nancy and Hillary who are the very epitome of untrustworthy. Of course there are also many untrustworthy politicians on the right and there are some good ones on the left, I would say Tulsi is one of those good ones, and ironically she's also one of the most hated by the establishment left. If people like me approve of her then surely she must be some type of Russian spy... sadly some people actually believe that, and those people are in a deep ideological trance.


Trump is a pathogical liar and lied to the American people about the justification for killing Solemani which could have gotten us into WWIII and yet you don't bat an eye.


Everyone can agree that these types of shenanigans are not acceptable, but the Dems do it over and over again then pin the blame on everyone else. Yet some people still believe in them, much like some people still think CNN is a source of completely factual and unbiased news. On the other hand if there's even the slightest hint of corruption on the right it's immediately the top story regardless of how much substance there is behind the story or how unbelievable the story sounds, it is horrendously one-sided.


THIS is what one sided looks like.








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posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 03:07 AM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
I'm sure some people here would probably label me alt-right or far-right simply because I support Trump.

Trump is a Populist not a Conservative; he is more a centrist similar to Kennedy. More reasonable than most of the Dems these days. The Dems and their bully boy Strong Armed Media Cudgel label him such: King, Oligarch, Hitler, Dictator. They are relentless in their dishonesty. It is only going to worsen and with that will become Self Evident that they have lost their minds. There is nothing rational about their desperate attempts to undue the 2016 election.



And we have a winner!

Well said Vethumanbeing!




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