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Vindman escorted out of the building and told his services are no longer required.

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posted on Feb, 8 2020 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: seagull

The real question should be "Why did he show up to work?". Did he get rid of something, or was he gardening in his office? He may not be the smartest guy in the Army, but that doesn't mean he should be underestimated either.




posted on Feb, 8 2020 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: Mark98SS

Good Riddance, that guy was a traitor and liar, his story completely changed when he realize Trump had a transcript.



posted on Feb, 8 2020 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

www.cnn.com... yep people getting burnt out from all the constant news cycles first link is video

www.theguardian.com... older guardian link

Democrats worry that a bloody drawn out primary, candidates fighting each other, running out of money, and failing to attract swing voters could cost them the election
so there was that and with iowa chaos it may be getting even worse

www.businessinsider.com... BI link

That first candidate, former Rep. John Delaney of Maryland, who declared on July 28, 2017, has already dropped out. Delaney entered the race more than 1,100 days before the election. His campaign lasted for roughly two and a half years. American presidential elections are absurdly long and tend to wear out voters. Proponents of a lengthy campaign season might contend that it offers voters ample time to learn about the candidates and make an educated choice. But voter turnout in the US is abysmal compared to much of the world, and this could be linked, in part, to the fatigue induced by long elections.
so then throw in most of trumps base has been loving the rallies and all the "winning lately" we appear to be more motivated then the currently fractured dems but the eventually end of the campaign may at least semi unify them



posted on Feb, 8 2020 @ 10:43 PM
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originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Gandalf77

He literally told a foreign power never mind what the president said. We'll figure this out.
I'm pretty sure there's a word for that....


Yeah it's called traitor .



posted on Feb, 8 2020 @ 10:57 PM
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TLDR but this was sent by a serving military friend regarding Vindman

Twitter

First part-




From someone who actually served with Vindman, & is in contact w/many other soldiers who have as well, let me just say wrong on integrity, honor, & patriotism. Vindman's a partisan who made disparaging comments about Americans, & I had to reprimand him for it in 2013


Oh yeah and he serves at the leisure of POTUS just like US Ambassadors. POTUS has and can fire them at any time without cause.



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 04:22 AM
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a reply to: Gandalf77

When "the truth" is, "I am in the military, but I'M GOING TO BLOW OFF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, and tell a foreign nation to NOT listen to my CiC", then yeah... tell that truth, and you will be lucky if you are only fired.

You Trump haters just take everything you are told by media, and damn the laws that apply.

In case you weren't aware of it, Vindman is a "Lt Col". THAT MEANS HE'S IN THE MILITARY.

He may well be Court Martialed under Article 88, which he has plainly violated. THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW.

He could probably be Court Martialed under Article 92 as well.

Yeah... these guys take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. But all the lefties whose brains have been beaten to mush by their adoration of corrupt bias mirrored media, seem to be oblivious to a couple of facts:

1. EVERY member of the armed forces, most comport and comply with the Rule of Law that is additional to that which civilians must comport with. They must comply with 10 U.S.C. 47 - The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

2. Members of the armed forces have signed away many of the rights enjoyed by civilians, because of the potential unique circumstances they might find themselves in around defense of the nation, and National Security issues, including those which mandate various security clearances.

At any rate... Alex Vindman broke the law... and anyone who has read the testimony he gave under cross examination, know's he and his lawyers had a palpable "oh s**t" moment, when Vindman was caught openly saying he didn't agree with policy, so he took liberties in his interactions with his counterparts in Ukraine.

He got caught having to admit something that every soldier knows... he isn't the President, he is a subordinate, and the President is the Commander in Chief, even if he hates the Presidents guts.

After Vindman's little "coup" anyone that ever hires Vindman in the future, if it is around anything sensitive information wise, or financially, is a complete moron and deserves how they get screwed by hiring this guy.

He's a pompous snake in the grass.



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 08:41 AM
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Obviously Trump is the kind of President to punish people for criticizing his administration or being whistleblowers. This is why Republicans demanding the whistleblower reveal themselves are participating in corruption.

Do what you like, but corruption in government has a negative, not positive, influence on society and even your own personal life. So keep on hurting yourselves, Republicans. At least I’m smart enough to see the issues here.

You’re the ones pushing to end up like China with this particular attitude. I am specifically talking about encouraging Trump’s corruption.

When I first joined ATS in the early 2000s, there was no way people here would openly support a corrupt President. Times have changed. Now this place is a website for corruption fanboys.
edit on 09amSun, 09 Feb 2020 08:47:12 -0600kbamkAmerica/Chicago by darkbake because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 08:44 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Good. Vindman was compromised with his family's connections and its clear he was being used to pass information along to deep state persons. I'd have tossed him and his belongings out on the steps. BTW, Trump' s success has been as a result of his countering the deep state and reigning in their abuses. Now the dems are thinking to put a stooge of the deep state in, Mayor Cheat, who's connected to the CIA. Talk about letting a weasel into the hen house.



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: darkbake

There was no whistleblower, it was a political vendetta. I believe the president you are referring to is Obama, who actively targeted whistleblowers on an unprecedented level. Funny how no one cared when it was actually going on under Obama, now they have faux outrage when Trump is not even doing it.



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

There can be no opposition within the Executive branch.
It is perfectly fine to oppose, but doing so means you have no business being in the President's administration. So either resign or get fired.
That is how it is SUPPOSED to be.
That SHOULD be more than enough detail to allow you to comprehend why Vindman had to go - and ANYONE who opposes the President in the Executive Branch also has to go.



No, it's not..checks and balances is what it's about, you see something criminal going on, It's actually your duty to report it.
What you are on about is supporting a veritable dictatorship..do you wanna join the family?



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: smurfy

The Checks and Balances, are the Legislative and Judicial Branches to the Executive and vice versa.

Appointees of the President serving within the executive branch can be hired and fired for any or no reason at any time. Perhaps you should take a civics class sometime to refresh yourself on how our govt. is constructed.


edit on 9-2-2020 by watchitburn because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 07:29 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: darkbake

There was no whistleblower, it was a political vendetta. I believe the president you are referring to is Obama, who actively targeted whistleblowers on an unprecedented level. Funny how no one cared when it was actually going on under Obama, now they have faux outrage when Trump is not even doing it.


Yes they did, very much so, I suspect you know that, so where do you wanna be, and explain why..you could start with the 'whistleblowers act'.



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: smurfy

The Checks and Balances, are the Legislative and Judicial Branches to the Executive and vice versa.

Appointees of the President serving within the executive branch can be hired and fired for any or no reason at any time. Perhaps you should take a civics class sometime to refresh yourself on how our govt. is constructed.



Pfff.



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: darkbake




Obviously Trump is the kind of President to punish people for criticizing his administration or being whistleblowers. This is why Republicans demanding the whistleblower reveal themselves are participating in corruption.


1. Whistleblowers do not have the right to anonymity under US law.

2. The "whistlblower" complaint was not based on 1st hand knowledge, and was in fact completely debunked by every person with actual first hand knowledge of the phone call.

3. The alleged crime that the whistle blower complaint was based on, is not a crime. At all. Period.




Do what you like, but corruption in government has a negative, not positive, influence on society and even your own personal life. So keep on hurting yourselves, Republicans. At least I’m smart enough to see the issues here.


Corruption like withholding $1 Billion dollars of tax payer aid unless the prosecutor investigating your son is fired?

Or corruption like lying to a Judge to get a warrant to illegally spy on American citizens and your political opponents campaigns?



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: Guyfriday

Definitely shouldn't be underrated.

He did, after all, make light colonel. Politician in uniform though he is/was...he did/does have something goin' on between his ears.

Does anyone know, right off hand, how much time in service, and in grade, he has? That'd go a long way towards estimating just how smart he was, or wasn't...or it should. Everyone has a Sea Daddy, or the Army equiv.



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: darkbake
Obviously Trump is the kind of President to punish people for criticizing his administration or being whistleblowers. This is why Republicans demanding the whistleblower reveal themselves are participating in corruption.


Please convince me that there was even a whistle blower in all this, just calling someone that doesn't make them one. Where is the whistle blower now? Facts coming out that he was working with good old Adam Schiff in helping him, and even with that it comes down to a bureaucrat that didn't agree with the elected official who is the only person with the legal right to make policy.


. I am specifically talking about encouraging Trump’s corruption.


They could not show corruption and pushed it to the senate. What was the impeachment all about if they didn't have enough evidence that they needed the Senate to dig for more. WELL it seems they had enough for the impeachment, so what happened? At the end of the day the House wanted to hand pick witnesses for the Senate and the Senate said NO No no... If you want witnesses we will bring them all, and the House didn't like that idea, and so here we are with the House just complaining about something they really didn't want to see happen in the end.

Liberal live by memes...corruption, Nazi, Russian collusion, racist, etc. That just doesn't work... If I was you I would be pissed with the House as how totally inept they ran the impeachment, OR maybe they had nothing to begin with and they knew it. We are talking the House, not you or me...they HAVE all the facts, facts you and I don't have...what happen?



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Personally, I think it falls very close to it, if not quite in the X-ring.

Should he lose his job? Yes. I'd fire him instantly.

Should he be court martialled? I'm not familiar enough with the UCMJ regulations...though my opinion says yes. In actuality, I honestly don't know.



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 10:19 PM
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originally posted by: Gandalf77
And the reprisals begin.
Moral of the story?
Dare to tell the truth and you get punished.


what truth?



posted on Feb, 10 2020 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: Gandalf77
And the reprisals begin.
Moral of the story?
Dare to tell the truth and you get punished.

Truth?

The guy was outed as the leaker (source for the so-called whistle-blower), and as a total partisan deep stater (by his bosses no less) that seems to think he makes foreign policy, and refuses to recognize that the President is his boss.

The President can fire whoever he wants, but he patiently waited until the impeachment sham was over before canning these two goobers.



posted on Feb, 10 2020 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: UKTruth
I'd be more open to this decision if that's the case.

Open to it? You act as if Trump needs any reason whatsoever to fire people on the NSC. He doesn't, but he certainly had all the reason to fire these two douches, and Sondland too.


Do you have a link to that, or can you elaborate for me?

You need help finding proof that Vindman is a lying douche? Didn't look very hard.



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