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Vindman escorted out of the building and told his services are no longer required.

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posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
He wasn't fired. He was asked to leave the White House. He's still a Lt. Colonel in the Army. He's still getting paid. He will be re-assigned. He probably won't make Bird Colonel, but not everyone does and he certainly should not. He'll have a nice retirement should he choose to do so. Let's not paint him as a victim here. He has not been materially harmed in any way.


Losing a chance at promotion is a pretty big harm as is being reassigned. Trump may not be able to fire him outright due to the backlash in the military it would create. But he was able to do the same just by this one move.




posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: shawmanfromny

By all appearances he shouldn't have been there.

He didn't strike me as dishonest as he did in over his head. They guys seemed rather forthright that he didn't know sh**. It's kind of funny when you look at it.

He doesn't seem like a liar, though my impression would say he's biased and anti Trump if he's going to testify while running in circles.

Doesn't bother me that he got fired... That being said, I stand by my post on page one that the right would defend him if the tables were turned. I also think we should just be honest about what happened. (I still haven't seen what he did in Ukraine as some have suggested, telling people not to listen to Trump... Depending on the context I could change my tune if that's the case).


He didnt know # because Trump didnt tell people who needed to know that a change in policy was happening because Trump wanted it secret for "Reasons" and then backpedaled when found out.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: M5xaz

I didn't even see that post on the first page. Reprisal? Give me a break. This is a justified sacking if there ever was one.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: TomLawless

Hey thanks man.

But we all only have so much time... I've been trying to focus on current events more than politics. The peach mint lost my interest early on with its predictability.

So I read the links... And let me know if this sums it up.

The guy had loose knowledge of the situations at best.

He had dodgy second hand info that for the most part, was public.

The left uses him for his title more than knowelege.

He shows up to testify and admits all of the above.

I didn't see much on the Ukraine part where he undermined Trump, still open to read that.

He shouldn't have testified, in doing so he ironically helped show how little water the whole thing could hold.


Bingo.

The only mistake Trump made so far is not ridding Washington of the rest of the previous administrations' leftovers from the top down.



Hindsight is 20/20...

But his picks haven't proven to be of loyal cloth either.
edit on 7-2-2020 by CriticalStinker because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: Gandalf77
And the reprisals begin.
Moral of the story?
Dare to tell the truth and you get punished.


The truth, or his truth.

He admitted that he didn't like his CiC dictating foreign policy, and broke chain of command. That's a court-martial.
The kicker here is that every President sets the foreign policy agenda of their administration.

All in all, he got off pretty well.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

I don't know if what he said was true, if he was coaxed, or if what he said had any pertinence to how our country is being run.



Would you know espionage if it bit you?

Or how about insubordination?



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:06 PM
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We can only imagine what these two got paid to do what they did.

It certainly wasn't for grins and giggles was it ?

A phony impeachment of a President is worth a king's ransom 😎



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth
Trumps bigest mistake was he didn't clean house when he first went in. I would of fired every Obama hold over along with all the GW neocons the first day in office.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:09 PM
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The same guy who was talking #e about our country and military members to foriegn military and high ranking officers who are our allies.
The same guy who would constantly break the chain of command.
So yeah he deserves to be fired.
He should be punished for abuse of power.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:11 PM
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He got wished into the corn field.


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posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:21 PM
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THIS........



Carmine Sabia - twitter

Washington Post - October 23rd, 2013
edit on 7/2/2020 by Sublimecraft because: added W.P article from 2013



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: TomLawless

I'm open to looking into it. What did he lie about?

I did point out I wasn't well versed on this guy. I haven't really formed an opinion... Those were just my surface thoughts.


He basically admited the whole reason he leaked the call - which started the entire Ukrain BS is that he did not agree with Trump asking about corruption.

Why on Earth would any boss put up with an underling trying to take them down for thinking their opinion is more important than the boss, and then trying to go over his head essentially to get him fired.

Tell me in the real world how that underling keeps his job. He doesn't - this is no different.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

I don't know if what he said was true, if he was coaxed, or if what he said had any pertinence to how our country is being run.



Would you know espionage if it bit you?

Or how about insubordination?


What was the espionage?

Are you implying Vindman gave secrets to an ally?

As for insubordination... I'm still waiting for someone to show me how he went against Trumps policy in Ukraine. I'm not saying it didn't happen, I just can't search it because today's story is flooding the engine. If anyone has direct knowledge of what he did I'd be interested to look into it.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: Gandalf77

or you know dont go outside the chain of command or approach other world leaders and tell them to ignore your commander in chief



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: elDooberino
a reply to: schuyler

He wasn't fired from the National Security Counsel?

You understand that was a civilian position that has nothing to do with his military rank, right?


Wrong. His employer is the US Army. He is paid by the US Army. He was "attached" to the National Security Council in the same way Lt. Col. Corso was attached to the Council. It's not a "civilian job" and has EVERYTHING to do with his military rank. And, just like Lt. Colonel Oliver North, people in those positions do not always wear their uniforms. They are asked not to do so by their military command because it would make Washington DC look overrun by the military.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: TomLawless

Hey thanks man.

But we all only have so much time... I've been trying to focus on current events more than politics. The peach mint lost my interest early on with its predictability.

So I read the links... And let me know if this sums it up.

The guy had loose knowledge of the situations at best.

He had dodgy second hand info that for the most part, was public.

The left uses him for his title more than knowelege.

He shows up to testify and admits all of the above.

I didn't see much on the Ukraine part where he undermined Trump, still open to read that.

He shouldn't have testified, in doing so he ironically helped show how little water the whole thing could hold.


Bingo.

The only mistake Trump made so far is not ridding Washington of the rest of the previous administrations' leftovers from the top down.



Hindsight is 20/20...

But his picks haven't proven to be of loyal cloth either.


That is true. I'm hoping this is the first of many changes though, there are a lot of people trying to stop the progress.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: Jubei42

Replace Trump with Hillary and he and they would be.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: JON666
a reply to: UKTruth
Trumps bigest mistake was he didn't clean house when he first went in. I would of fired every Obama hold over along with all the GW neocons the first day in office.


^Exactly correct.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:42 PM
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Our national security just got a little more secure.



posted on Feb, 7 2020 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

wonder if he will get transferred to the mcmurdo base? or what ever the one in antarctic is called



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