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I dont claim the label atheist either, but you keep claiming I am one.
I have seen far too many on these forums from the right support the idea of forcing women to use birth control. No consideration is given to them as to their religious views or beliefs. And, as I am sure you know, some religions teach that birth control is sinful...
Where in the bible does it say leaving a signature blank, or avoiding a religiously themed message is sinful? Where does it say that one has to call your class together for a moment of prayer? What churches teach these things??
The bible teaches that you should obey those who have authority over you, does it not? I am not a christian because the Christian's gave me the impression that my husband should be the one who decided if I should even spend time in their church!!
But, while some of them were more like nit picking in my opinion, many weren't just practicing their religion, it was more like trying to take advantage of a hostage audience to instill your christian values to.
And again, there is nothing that I know of that says you have to go out of your way to expose your classroom to your religious views. It isnt infringing on your religious rights any more than a no soliciting sign in a HUD subsidized housing building keeping you from going door knocking is!!
And I doubt if the management and staff are allowed to arrange prayer times, leave messages on the doors expressing their religious views, ect. Why are the doors of a school different than the doors of those buildings.
Actually, no, by what I read, the jesus cup is off limits I think, the jewelry is okay I guess as long as its modest and not flashy to the point where its shouting for all to see.
The signatures, I really think it would depend on what they said, the example I posted I felt was out of line, but others scriptures I wouldn't find objectionable.
Parents have two sons going to the same school. The kids come home and tell them about the moment of prayer the school has every day. Well, the parents objected to it, didnt want their kids to participate, so the kids were sent into the hallway during it. I think that is as much as we know about one of the kids. But the other kid was coming home complaining that the teacher was mean in the morning when she sent him out. Then it grew into the teacher not letting him have recess time, instead she made him sit with her as she explained her religion to her and the apex of this great story is her telling the kid that his mom was just wrong because she didnt know jesus. The kid ended up refusing to go to school. Yes this case went to court, it danged well should have. And I've seen too many like this to think that it's just anti christian hatred!
The communication line to god is always open. There isnt a power on earth that can cut it and no one has the right to tell you to pray or not pray or restrict prayer to a set time.
And, in cases with there is over reach against Christians. There are groups that are interceding just like aclu is.
I am just relating to you what I've been reading while we've been discussing this, what seems to be some of the guidelines..
And hud owns properties that are used for assisted rental units. And, they do restrict alot of things...
You want to have a prayer time to young kids while you csnt explain to them what it is, how to pray, what to pray..
You sound very sincere and I do respect you for that.
But, you do sound like you are saying that the only reason to have a moment of prayer in school when it comes to younger kids is to teach a religious ritual practice. Maybe once they hit jr or senior high school they may have enough understanding to benefit from a time of prayer in school but for young kids it's just ritual.