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originally posted by: elysiumfire
Of course it was sham. The whole impeachment affair was a crooked fantasy, and was used against Trump and the Republican party as a form of character assassination. It was meant to beguile people's minds against the republican party and the President, but ultimately, they couldn't actually impeach him, because each party knows the dirt on the other, and both can sling mud that will stick.
In fact the impeachment charade was like the Iran missile salvo that was never meant to harm any Americans, it was just a show of 'something' for the minds of the Iranian people. It didn't have any teeth.
The democrat party has to somehow persuade voters away from Trump, so they appeal to American naivety. They basically treat the American public as non-thinking fools, because the democrat party thought it could trick the American people with their impeachment ruse. Of course, the members of each party are as bad as one another, but Trump was elected president because he was the lesser worse choice for the American people to vote for. Clinton is so toxic she'd have poisoned the American nation for many years, and her and her cronies would have personally profited in their usual way.
Nevertheless, America has fallen into a tyranny, a somewhat benign one for now, but it will turn quite totalitarian eventually, as successive government administrations seek to impose ever greater control over you all...for your security benefit. Bear in mind, it's not just America, all the developed western nations are undergoing the very same tyranny to totalitarianism in step with America, and it will all converge. At the moment each country is applying different aspects of the globalist infrastructure. The surveillance infrastructure is the most blatant sign of the coming totalitarianism, and once it is in place proper, it will be very hard to shift. Not a single gun owner will do a single act against it.
America is turning from the 'land of the free, and the home of the brave', to the 'land of enslaved, and the home of the weak'.
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: dfnj2015
It says in the Constitution that after impeachment there is a trial before the Senate.
Surely at a trial you examine evidence and take witness testimony? Surely a fair trial is to determine if someone acted as alleged in the charges? To acquit or convict based on party allegiance is a travesty against the Constitution.
What happened in the Senate was not a trial.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Blaine91555
originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: dfnj2015
You may very well be right, but honestly, your post here isn't going to change a damn thing or anyone's mind who is part of the ongoing Trump circle jerk.
You'd be better off talking to a wall.
The Trump circle jerk, replaced the Obama circle jerk and so it goes. There will be both Democrat and Republican Presidents in the future thanks to us having elections.
Personally I have hope that soon we will see moderate Independents in Congress and the White House. The Democrat's and Republicans have held us back for far too long. It would be nice to see a message of unity and optimism, rather than the partisan vitriol and spreading of hate.
I really can't see an independent as US President. The parties have entrenched positions and vocal detractors and evangelists who can swamp the electorate with so much noise that the voice of reason can barely be heard.
Perhaps if one of the prime candidates broke away from their party while campaigning, they would have platform enough to carry through?
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: NorthOfStuff
If the free press is supposedly anti-Trump, you must have learned about all those "vile things" from some other source.
What is the source of your information about the "vile things" that the Dems have supposed to have done?
Nancy, Chuck, and Adam’s projection.
From the horses mouth so to speak.
The 'projection' that you see on the media is also partisan and very brief. It is clearly being propagandized.
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: dfnj2015
It says in the Constitution that after impeachment there is a trial before the Senate.
Surely at a trial you examine evidence and take witness testimony? Surely a fair trial is to determine if someone acted as alleged in the charges? To acquit or convict based on party allegiance is a travesty against the Constitution.
What happened in the Senate was not a trial.
A Senate trial is not the same as a trial you see on a TV show.
There is no requirement to call additional witnessess. The rules were followed.
The Impeachment managers were allowed to bring forward all the testimony from their witnesses.
A vote on additional witnesses was actually allowed but they were denied by a majority in the Senate.
It sounds to me like you want, in this case, the MINORITY party in the Senate, who had just brought a partisan impeachment from the House, to dictate the rules. In other words, reagrdless of who the PEOPLE have placed in Congress, you want your party to dictate everything.
Well, tough luck.
The Constitution worked beautifully once again- a partisan impeachment with zero evidence of any crime and a bunch of accusations claiming the nebulous abuse of power was thrown out - just as it should have been.
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
You should rekindle ATS Radio.
I used to love you on that but I understand that it might be a little scary for you nowadays.
there were no witnesses and no requested documents submitted as evidence.
originally posted by: neformore
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
You should rekindle ATS Radio.
I used to love you on that but I understand that it might be a little scary for you nowadays.
Scary? Nah. Different viewpoints make up the world. And you should remember, I'm English so that means I'm always right anyway
I honestly don't think there would be a demand for it. The topic pool has gone the way of the Aral Sea.
That and I enjoy sleeping between 1am and 5am on a Sunday morning (my time). 5 years of crazy sleep schedules was enough!
originally posted by: chr0naut
I think that if you look to history, America abolished slavery very late in the piece. Also, it's current incarceration rates show that it is probably one of the least 'free' countries in the world (in terms of the personal liberty of its citizens). Even in fiscal terms, nothing is really 'free' in America.
And, while there are, and have been many brave Americans, there are and have been many American cowards. America does not have any special social standing in that regard.
So the whole "land of the free and home of the brave" is just jingoist nationalist nonsense and has been since Francis Scott Key penned it in a 'wild-West' America with crime, poverty, slavery, and vast injustice.
originally posted by: UKTruth
Every time you losers chalk up another one in the loss column, you whine and whine and whine - then attack the constitution and institutions whilst claiming your worried about them. It's really pathetic and very very transparent.
originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Blue Shift
I don't see us losing the final word anytime soon.