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posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 01:24 AM
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Ok im a new member. I have been born and bred in a European country with universal healthcare and education.

All of our healthcare needs are met by my state. Everything from GP appointments to cancer care and everything in between.

Our education is completely free from pre school all the way through to university if we choose to follow that path.

Since this forum seems to be populated by americans, I would like to know why in the USA there is still an argument against such a system.

Im interested to find out the argument against this and why it has not been instituted in the US



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posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 01:33 AM
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a reply to: LuxFer



Our education is completely free from pre school all the way through to university if we choose to follow that path.


The fact that you think it is FREE shows me you don’t understand the way Americans think. We believe in personal responsibility which in this respect means “government, stop taking our money with excessive taxes and we can pay for our own needs”.



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 01:37 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Obviously its covered by taxes but im fairly sure we pay less tax overall than your country.

We also have a progressive tax system so the less you have the less you pay



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 01:50 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: LuxFer



Our education is completely free from pre school all the way through to university if we choose to follow that path.


The fact that you think it is FREE shows me you don’t understand the way Americans think. We believe in personal responsibility which in this respect means “government, stop taking our money with excessive taxes and we can pay for our own needs”.


The problem with this is that when you do things as an individual the big corporations have you at a disadvantage. They hold the power and you don't. So you can only choose what they offer. Which benefits you more than it benefits them.

There are literally millions of Americans who want to take responsibility but who simply cannot either because they are being priced out of the market or the option that are best for them aren't available in their area because the large companies don't think that they are profitable enough to provide.

There are also problems with economy of scale, things like bulk purchasing allow Europeans to buy cheaper than Americans.

There are a lot of extremely intelligent small town Americans from traditional blue collar families who plan and save and try to take responsibility but who are priced out of the market. People who won't go on to achieve their full potential because of it.



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 01:50 AM
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originally posted by: LuxFer
a reply to: Metallicus

Obviously its covered by taxes but im fairly sure we pay less tax overall than your country.

We also have a progressive tax system so the less you have the less you pay


I should also say most people here don’t want the government in charge of anything important. Government here does everything worse than the private sector. I don’t want or need government to take care of me and my family. I prefer to take care of my own needs.

If I want a doctor or education I will pay for the best I can get or at least what meets my needs. I can’t imagine the government dictating my healthcare.

I don’t NEED the government for anything and I don’t want them more involved in my life.


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posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 01:53 AM
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originally posted by: LuxFer
a reply to: Metallicus

Obviously its covered by taxes but im fairly sure we pay less tax overall than your country.

We also have a progressive tax system so the less you have the less you pay


Yes, in Europe its based on a percentage of income, so those least able to pay pay less. On average its substantially cheaper than in the US because of bulk purchasing. Everybody shares the cost so it ends up lower.

It's like buying wholesale rather than retail. At the end of the day European get to keep a higher percentage of their total income than Americans as services are cheaper.



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 01:54 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Im no expert on the US tax code but i know you pay proportionally more than us. So why not have our benefits if you are paying for it anyway?



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 01:55 AM
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a reply to: AaarghZombies

Our taxes in the US are also done the same way. The less you make the less you pay and many people don’t pay any taxes at all.



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 01:57 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

So you should have the same benifits no? Either you want no government which means no tax or you should get the same benifits we do?



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 01:57 AM
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originally posted by: LuxFer
a reply to: Metallicus

Im no expert on the US tax code but i know you pay proportionally more than us. So why not have our benefits if you are paying for it anyway?


First of all we don’t pay more in taxes in than the UK. Secondly. I don’t consider the government meddling in my healthcare decisions a “benefit”. I think therein lies the answer to your question. We don’t want the government meddling in important decisions like healthcare.
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posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 02:00 AM
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originally posted by: LuxFer
a reply to: Metallicus

So you should have the same benifits no? Either you want no government which means no tax or you should get the same benifits we do?


I don’t consider government meddling in my business a ‘benefit’. And of course I want lower taxes, but we spend too much money bombing brown people that benefits no one. The federal government is useless.



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 02:05 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: LuxFer
a reply to: Metallicus

So you should have the same benifits no? Either you want no government which means no tax or you should get the same benifits we do?


I don’t consider government meddling in my business a ‘benefit’. And of course I want lower taxes, but we spend too much money bombing brown people that benefits no one. The federal government is useless.




Really benefits no one, is that what you really believe?



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 02:07 AM
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Meddling in our healthcare? I dont undertand that. Our nurses and doctors dictate what treatment we recieve not government ministers.

For example, my father recently had cancer. He was not able to work for years before that because of another health condition.

Although he had not worked or paid taxes for years before he was diagnosed with cancer he still received the best of care without question. No government minister intervened to say he was not eligible



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 02:17 AM
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a reply to: LuxFer

Im struggling to understand why in the wealthiest country in the world, the population does not expect the state to provide education and healthcare. In europe we see these things as basic human rights



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 02:38 AM
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posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 02:43 AM
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originally posted by: bobw927
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Im lost with that one 😵



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 02:55 AM
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I'm not sure why you've brought education into this. As far as I know, America has state-funded education (that's what they mean by "public schools"), with private education, as in the UK, being available for those who want to pay for it.
That's why all their replies are ignoring the education issue and focussing on healthcare.

Knowing that, you could make it a debating point; why public-funded healthcare is "socialised medicine" and a bad thing, while public-funded education is not. Just a suggestion.



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 03:04 AM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

Im from scotland. All of our higher learning colleges and universities are free to attend. England charges for higher education, we dont



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 03:05 AM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

Unless your a foreign student then you get charged



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 03:07 AM
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a reply to: LuxFer
Sorry, I didn't realise that you were talking about higher education. I was thinking primary/secondary. But free university education isn't so universal on this side of the Atlantic that you can criticise the Americans for being different.

P.S. The abbreviation of "You are" is spelled "you're". "Your" is the posssessive pronoun.


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