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Bernie Socialism is Chavez Socialism

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posted on Feb, 5 2020 @ 01:04 PM
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Bernie Socialism was based on the Chavez model and he was an avowed Marxist, who later formed the United Socialist Party of Venezuela.

This is a shorthand version of what the Venezuela Socialist did in their country.

What gave Venezuela a great economy was the oil industry. Once it was established it was bringing into the country Billions of Dollars. But as in most free market Capitalist countries people can make it if they want through hard work and determination, If you choose not to you will be and remain poor. Many of the farmers sent their children to colleges in Venezuela and the US so their Children could get good jobs in the newly enriched economy of Venezuela.

Chavez won the popular vote with his Socialist agenda of free healthcare, free education and free Housing in 1999 (sound familiar). Chavez had a great system going as long as the oil prices stayed at the rate of $120 to $150 per barrel. We learned later that Oil was artificially inflated since the 1980 by OPEC. It was the money from the Oil that funded all the social programs he put in place.

On his death bed in 2013 Chavez picked Maduro to his successor. Maduro Administration did well until Oil prices plummeted. That is when we saw the Socialist system Chaves set up collapsed and left the people worse off than before the oil industry boomed. Maduro tried to rig the system by manipulating the currency and freezing it a 10 bolívar fuerte to the dollar to be able to support the socialist programs his predecessor put in place. This made Maduro, the police, military and politicians rich because they controlled and owned most the stores and they sold everything a very high artificially inflated price.

Bernie and the Socialist Elites of the left want to model Chaves system here in the States. Bernie has often in the past referred to it being a prime example of Socialism that works, what he doesn't tell you is that the system was based on the price of oil. The problem is Bernie and the other Democratic Candidates are vowing to stop oil and fuel production in the US. The reason behind that is so they can get back to the artificially priced oil and gas so they can tax the oil and use it to support some of the social promises they are making on the trail. The problem is oil is not a stable industry so taxation on everyone is the only way to pay for all the free stuff they are promising.

If they do follow the Venezuela model fully, not only will the system fail, they will move to rig elections to stay in power, they will move to change the constitution, remove legitimate branches of Govt and control the supreme court.

This is what the Bernie model of Socialism is based on, a false and manipulated system that will only lead to a total collapse of the US economy, destroy jobs, destroy industry across the land, and destroy hundreds of millions of peoples retirement, savings and investment accounts. This is the Democrats design for socialism in the US.

Once again, Socialism has failed in every nation it has been implemented in. Look to the other nations in South America who also tried to follow this same Socialist Agenda as Bernie and the Democrats are proposing for the US.



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posted on Feb, 5 2020 @ 01:09 PM
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are we arguing over how we want centralized power structures to rule over us?

you are starting from a failed premise to begin with which nullifies everything said thereafter.



posted on Feb, 5 2020 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

I am hoping to show what Bernie's plan is and what it was based on.

Knowledge of the system and its history is needed for making good decisions.

So the goal of this is to educate so that people can be informed. If they want a centralized power structure over them they should know the basis of Socialism they are going to get under a Democrat President. Knowing that the system has ALWAYS failed should better equip voters for a better decision at the poll.


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posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 12:46 AM
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Haha very entertaining but factually incorrect. There is a huge difference between auld bernies social democracy and marxism. We marxist can not stand social democracy so i think you americans should maybe educate yourselves a wee bit better eh?



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: LuxFer

I love how when things don't go the way you want it's always because we just don't understand, but then you never attempt to educate. You just laugh and move on.

Of course we can never understand if you never explain what you mean, but I rather expect that's the whole point of the exercise. You don't want us to understand; you want to feel superior as if you possess secret knowledge.



posted on Feb, 6 2020 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Bernie even touted the the Chavez Model in Venezuela was the prefect example of socialism working.

Yet we didn't find out until later it was all supported on a one legged pony-OIL. When Socialism in the former Russian Territories of the USSR, had a four legged pony and it still failed. The USSR used Local Taxes, Import Taxes, People's Labor, Export Manufacturing, all kept in place by the Military. Because people are basically lazy and wont work unless you have too.

No China one which many do not understand is not real or true Socialism or Communism. The only thing that changed in China was Instead of it being ran by a Imperial Family Hierarchy they replaces the royal family with Govt, instead of the royal family running the show and owning the land and letting it out to the people, a central Govt replaced the family and became the owner of the land. China's communism is not true Marxism

It is more likely China's success is because they replaced the Imperial Monarchy with an Imperial Government. Other than that China still operates as it did under an Imperial Family, that is its success.


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posted on Feb, 8 2020 @ 05:11 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I am not an american for a start so you are way off my friend. I was simply pointing out that the american underatanding of left wing politics is lacking some key points.

Social democracy is not socialism. It is a way of trying to make capilaism more humane while leaving the structures in place.

True left wing socialist or communists cannot stand social democracy. It it an affront to what we believe in. It allows the petty boursiose to continue while the workers suffer.

True left wing socialist want to tear down the capitalist economic system and establish the workers as the shareholders.

Bernie sanders idea of socialism is halarious to us



posted on Feb, 8 2020 @ 05:44 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

Bernie is an authoritarian communist bastard.

He wants government to control the means of production for healthcare, education.

Bernie? Go #### yourself you aged commie bastard ass-face!







 
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