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Bob Lazar Fact or fiction ?

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posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

We have all been caught in proven lies. But that does not mean there is no truth in it. There is only one who can say he hasn't lied, even though I haven't heard him say it.




posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: Joeshiloh

Not sure what kind of logic you are using there. You are welcome to believe what you like, but there is nothing credible about Lazar.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 01:11 PM
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It is my belief that Lazar is telling the truth on some things but that he is also a government tool used to spread misinformation. Whether he is 100% in on it I am not sure. I think that is one reason why people are skeptical he is still around if he has been this huge whistle blower. It was convenient for the government to have him keep spouting off (Old) information.

I think much of the attention Lazar brought on area 51 was a planned idea to take eyes and ears off of other bases being built or others with greater technology projects going on. The more information out there the more the stuff the public has to sift through to find the real answers

Wasn't there a quote by someone involved in these projects that whatever you think the technology is that is being hidden is in reality 100 years beyond that.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 01:13 PM
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Lazar's story is just that - a story.

Nothing more, nothing less. Wanna believe it? Good for you. Don't need any evidence whatsoever to believe it? Well, who's gonna stop you believing?

Although any serious scientist would laugh it out of the room immediately, it's still a GOOD story with enough surface scientific babble to impress UFO punters... but the fact that John Lear had anything whatsoever to do with setting up the story in the first place sets every alarm-bell ringing in the whole crumbling edifice.


John Lear...





"Can I interest you in a top-of-the-range Truth Probe?"



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct




This is from Stan Friedman's paper "debunking" Bob Lazar.

It makes me wonder why Stan was so vociferous in his debunking Lazar , given the holes in the Roswell story and the more active shysters that hover around the subject deserving of being shot at (not literally).

The book regarding Lazar is still open for me.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: gortex

Another thing off the top of my head from Friedmans paper...

Supposedly he figured out how saucers work using Element 115 — matter/anti-matter, etc. He was able to steal a small quantity of 115 from the 500 pounds available, but this was stolen back. There was indeed an announcement in early 2004 about the production of 4 atoms of element 115 by operating a huge European accelerator for many weeks. It has a very short half life so there is no way to accumulate pounds of it. 


Now I am no physicist so correct me if I am wrong here. The element 115 that was synthesized was only one of many possible isotopes. The one Bob Lazar is referring to could very well be a stable isotope of 115, am I wrong?

And being that Friedman is a nuclear physicist himself you would think he would concede this, instead he makes it sound different than reality.

If I am correct then this another blatant attempt on Friedmans part to use non facts to try and debunk Lazar.

Now I'm not saying I side with Lazar. Like you and many others I remain on the fence. But as you pointed out it seems Friedman is going to long lengths here.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I believe there are things credible about him. It would be a lie to say otherwise. He was young at the time and its hard for people to admit they have lied. I believe everyone has some credibility.


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posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: ConspiracyMysteries

Personally, I believe Lazar is relaying what he believes to be the truth. Whether or not the information he was given was accurate is another story all together, but I do believe the gist of his story.

Even uncovered what I believe show the row of hangar doors inset into a hillside on the East of Papoose lake (pics: www.abovetopsecret.com...) however, be advised this fact is disputed, and there are plenty of reasons to believe constructing such a facility would be both impractical and technically difficult... not to mention that one doesn't neccesarily need to look at Papoose lake to see things that (at the very least) resemble flying saucers. Here is a GE image of Groom from years ago:


^Notice the saucer-shaped object sitting just South of the OXCART hangars

Thing that gets me is there are reputable, believable and credible people on both sides of the aisle.

For me? I'll go with my gut and say its truthful. The government's actions speak the loudest IMO. And finding an area of Papoose lake consistent with Lazar's description certainly doesn't hurt. If you were to wander up to that little jag today, I suspect you'd indeed see camoflauged hangar doors inset into the hillside. As to whether the technology he witnessed was alien? Wouldn't surprise me if it was. Then again I take for granted that ETI exists and is vastly superior to our species as to facilitate interstellar travel in such ways we have yet to barely grasp


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posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct

Absolutely true

Just as elemental Hydrogen has different isotopes, H1 = plain old Hydrogen, H2 = Dueterium, H3 = Tritium. Tritium, if I am not mistaken, is radioactive as well which just means it is unstable and decays by shooting high energy particles out of its.. wherever (nucleus? electrons? something like that)

Of course this doesn't prove he's telling the truth, nor that he is lying. At the end of the day, there are a lot of people who for whatever reason seem to have a lot hanging on Lazar being a fraud or on him being genuine.
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posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 02:15 PM
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This is a great analysis of Lazar's body language during some of his interviews, carried out by an apparent body language expert, Derek Van Schaik.

(He seems to have quite the resume, but I'll leave that for others to decide, I'm certainly no expert on what's deemed worthy or not, 🤷🏻‍♂️)

www.derekvanschaik.com...

The video is admittedly quite lengthy at an hour and a few minutes long, but for those who have an interest in the case and who haven't yet seen it (it's been posted here several times already), I highly reccomend,

TLDR; Footage analysed by (apparent) body language expert, Conclusion - He's either nuts and believes everything that he says, or he's telling the truth.

NB, He's already passed lie detector tests with flying colours.



Make of it what you will, I'm on the fence, still, but Van Schaik's analysis seems pretty legit and on point (for a layman such as myself, anyway).




posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct



Now I'm not saying I side with Lazar. Like you and many others I remain on the fence. But as you pointed out it seems Friedman is going to long lengths here.


Not anymore,


Stanton T. Friedman, whose conviction that extraterrestrials have arrived on Earth led him to leave his career as a nuclear physicist to lecture widely about alien visitations, died on May 13 in Toronto. He was 84. His family said he died of a heart attack at Toronto Pearson Airport on his way home to Fredericton, New Brunswick, from a speaking engagement in Columbus, Ohio.


Stanton T. Friedman, Scientist Who Tracked UFO's, Dies at 84

Stanton T. Friedman - 1934-2019 RIP




posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 03:24 PM
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My opinion is it's all a ruse to take attention away from what should have researchers concentrating focus on...every bit of it is man made and will be unveiled when the time is most appropriate- evil overlords make the several choice variants our inquiring minds want answered. Think of the first cave etchings that piqued the curiosity of others...art imitates life vice versa? Was the first etching derived from the mind, or from the field?

What better way to veil secrets that affect humanity than theories not applicable in a laboratory environment?

Theories remain theories until an experiment proves one way or the other.

So, what's going on in the world of finance- (everyone cooperating globally for the benefit/detriment of each individual) and why are we still compromising our better judgement just to put food on the table?

Check my sig below


edit on (2/4/2020 by loveguy because: It's not our turn anymore to compromise-



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 04:51 PM
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There is a myth that has been going around that Bob Lazar passed all 4 lie detector tests he ever did.

This is not the case. I researched this a while back

Bob only ever did 2 Polygraph exams to test if he was lying. Both arranged by George Knapp

The first was done by Polygrapher Ron Slay. Ron asked Bob a set of questions which indicated Bob was being deceptive. He then asked Bob the same set of questions and this time it seemed Bob might be telling the truth. Ron Slay then said the exam was Inconclusive and recommended Bob be tested again

The second test was done months later by Terry Tavernetti who worked in security at a casino. Terry is on camera saying Bob showed clear signs of deception during the first set of questions he asked him - including whteher he had seen a saucer. Terry then asked a few more sets of questions and in those sets of questions he thought Bob might be telling the truth.
Terry then conferred with two other Polygraphers. The first one agreed with Terry but the Second one disagreed with Terry. In the end they concluded the Polygraph result as neither Bob telling the truth or Lying.

A couple of months after Terry's Polygraph exam was done, Knapp said someone broke into Terry's office and stole the Polygraph results.


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posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 04:59 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
The IRS said it took taxes out related to that W2 of his. That is Fact – not fiction.



You mean this W2?



There is no Department of Naval Intelligence so please provide the source for your information?



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
The IRS said it took taxes out related to that W2 of his. That is Fact – not fiction.



You mean this W2?



There is no Department of Naval Intelligence so please provide the source for your information?


Well, there WAS a Department Of Naval Intelligence - but that was over 70 years ago.

And then there's Bob's ID card:



The problem is that Bob himself has admitted this is fake.

As for the W2 form, are we expected to believe the "MAJ" aspect of his employee number is connected to "Majestic-12"?

Funny how all the goons involved in the MJ-12 hoax, SERPO, TTSA, S-4 and other scams all seem to link together in some way.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 07:58 PM
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Unlike most of the opinions here, mine is based on actually going out to Area 51 not long after Bob spilled the beans about what was going on out there and seeing it with my own eyes.

I was very shocked to discover that what he said was true.

I arrived two hours after dark and was gobsmacked to find myself in the middle of a test of gravity propulsion craft.



Trust me, there is no mistaking the insane movements and speed being related to any type of earthly propulsion ever seen before anywhere.

Saucers and technology not of this world were indeed tested at Area 51 right when and where Bob said they were.

Here is a clip of what I witnessed that night -

www.image-analysis-team.com...




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posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 08:31 PM
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originally posted by: Alien Abduct


Now I am no physicist so correct me if I am wrong here. The element 115 that was synthesized was only one of many possible isotopes. The one Bob Lazar is referring to could very well be a stable isotope of 115, am I wrong?

And being that Friedman is a nuclear physicist himself you would think he would concede this, instead he makes it sound different than reality.

If I am correct then this another blatant attempt on Friedmans part to use non facts to try and debunk Lazar.

Now I'm not saying I side with Lazar. Like you and many others I remain on the fence. But as you pointed out it seems Friedman is going to long lengths here.


Lazars physics lecture from the 1980s (which he now won't speak of) completely demonstrated he was a complete fraud to me but forgetting about that..
I saw some interesting confirmation bias on the Rogan podcast when Joe said that the element 115 prediction was a "hit" and they went on to say that our current isotope of element 115 was not at all stable but that "it's possible we could make a stable version"????
So they confirmed that the element we created is not stable but considered it a hit because it "could be someday"?

Anyway, I was always surprised at how Friedman really seemed to dislike Lazar. There are many hoax cases in ufology but Friedman was really mad at Lazar. Maybe he didn't like the fact that Lazar was getting attention?
It's not the fact that Lazar was making stuff up because Friedman gave lectures and wrote books that were very sketchy with facts as well.
He always spun the Roswell narrative staying far away from the "balsa-wood, scotch tape, strings, no metal parts" elements of Brazle's eyewitness stories.

He used to quote the press release often from the RAAF about Roswell that said "Flying disk recovered" showing it was an actual ufo but if you read more of the the actual press release

"The balloon which held it up, if that was how it worked, must have been 12 feet [3.5 m] long, [Brazel] felt, measuring the distance by the size of the room in which he sat. The rubber was smoky gray in color and scattered over an area about 200 yards [180 m] in diameter. When the debris was gathered up, the tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks made a bundle about three feet [1 m] long and 7 or 8 inches [18 or 20 cm] thick, while the rubber made a bundle about 18 or 20 inches [45 or 50 cm] long and about 8 inches [20 cm] thick. In all, he estimated, the entire lot would have weighed maybe five pounds [2 kg]. There was no sign of any metal in the area which might have been used for an engine, and no sign of any propellers of any kind, although at least one paper fin had been glued onto some of the tinfoil. There were no words to be found anywhere on the instrument, although there were letters on some of the parts. Considerable Scotch tape and some tape with flowers printed upon it had been used in the construction. No strings or wires were to be found but there were some eyelets in the paper to indicate that some sort of attachment may have been used."

So he was sort of engaging in the same type thing as Lazar.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 08:51 PM
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What do you make of this comment in your youtube link?


You folks know nothing - so quit opining and let me educate you. Linda Moulton Howe is absolutely correct! The government operates by what they call "need to know" and that's why they incorporate a system of "contractors". The "contractors" are situated in all the congressional districts so they can employ a regional workforce and therefore receive federal monies into their Congressional districts.

This system is awesome for secrecy, plausible deniability, and unfortunately for we citizens NO government oversight. A good way to become wealthy if you keep your mouth shut!!
I worked for Los Alamos Scientific Lab just like Bob Lazar but you would never know it because I worked for a "Contractor". I recently graduated from West Virginia University with a degree in Environmental Geoscience (Geology/Engineering) and worked for Greatland Exploration on a Los Alamos Labs Sub-Contract above the Artic Circle searching for Uranium.

Every day I had to fly into the wilderness on Huey 500 helicopters conducting core drilling and geiger counter readings. I had to submit my paperwork and core drillings to the Los Alamos Project Manager in our Artic base camp, and we became buddies. He informed me exactly where Los Alamos received it's monies and Bob Lazar mentioned this institution in a recent interview. No one would this if they didn't work for Los Alamos and had inside info.

I know where Los Alamos got their money and Bob Lazar knows it too. AND you all don't! The name of the institution : University of California, Berkeley!! (I know they also received monies from BLM) And, guess where E-115 (anti gravity fuel for alien crafts) was created in 2004? By scientists associated with UC Berkeley at Livermore Berkeley Lab and in Moscow. Instead of blabbing vapid opinions - please think!



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 10:04 PM
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I have watched a lot of Lazar content, and its in my belief that he believes what hes saying. Now is all of the information accurate and true? There is probably a mix of both somewhere in there - but he thinks its real and the the truth.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 10:43 PM
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a reply to: ConspiracyMysteries


www.stantonfriedman.com...


Stanton Friedman, a man who was respectful enough to check out his claims exposed him as far as I'm concerned.

His falsehoods about his education is enough to show him to be a liar




Incredible claims have been made about Bob Lazar for years. He supposedly is a physicist with an MS in Physics from MIT and an MS in Electronics from the California Institute of Technology. He was a “Scientist” for Los Alamos National Laboratory, and obtained a job back-engineering UFOs at a very secret site S-4 near Area 51 in Nevada through noted Physicist, the late Dr. Edward Teller.

Supposedly he figured out how saucers work using Element 115 — matter/anti-matter, etc. He was able to steal a small quantity of 115 from the 500 pounds available, but this was stolen back. There was indeed an announcement in early 2004 about the production of 4 atoms of element 115 by operating a huge European accelerator for many weeks. It has a very short half life so there is no way to accumulate pounds of it. He supposedly came forward with his story despite death threats because he thought the public has a right to know. Videotapes are available with his claims.

It is all BUNK.



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