Corona Virus Updates Part 2

originally posted by: Advantage

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: starfoxxx

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: starfoxxx

It's not all speculation and wild claims, you're just commenting on page 344 of Volume 2 of this thread, so you've evidently missed virtually everything (I'm using hyperbole but you get the message)...

How long it can last on surfaces (up to 28 days): New Study Indicates How Long Coronaviruses Can Survive on a Surface

Potentially this virus could be airborne (unconfirmed): Coronavirus Could Be Airborne, Chinese Official Claims

All of this and hundreds of other legit sources and links have been included in previous pages (and Volume 1). It's not really fair to jump in and say this thread is all fear mongering and doom porn if you can't even take the time to look up some readily available info or do a quick search online.

Not trying to shut you down or discourage you from participating in this thread (quite the opposite, would love more involvement in this thread from all members interested), but there have been at least a dozen members who keep derailing this thread and saying this event is over-hyped, laughable, etc. and it isn't any of those things.

Many of us are here because we want to keep up with the latest and also try to contribute to ongoing research. Hope that helps clarify your perception of this being a "fear mongering" thread, because it isn't that at all.

I certainly do not think this is laughable at all. I am all for information freedom and
if it IS TRUE 'this is WAY worse then what were being told' I DO WANT TO KNOW (this IS ATS after all)!!
For people who are just coming into this thread now (me and *hundreds if not a thousands because of front page ect)
because we are just now exploring how bad this virus is and what to do. Thinking now of how bad this
actually might be getting it is good courteousness to post evidence and not withhold information you know
because you might actually save lives. When coming fresh in this thread and just reading
the posts now could sound as just over hyped non-sense if there is no links or edifying information

/./

All of which you will find if you bother to read back through the threads. It’s all there for you if you have the time and patience.

Really.. I gave links directly from published articled and papers from biotech to the Lancet. I posted the info that I was emailed through my "job" on here from the WHO... so folks could see the pathetic response. Links links and links.. even a link from a 2018 research paper finding the nCOV19 now covid virus in a swine population in Guangdong. All one would have to do is READ and not attack posters and whine about not having read things for themselves.

Not sure whether you’re agreeing with me or having a go at me. Either way I agree with you. Not sure why anyone would pop in to this thread and then moan that everything wasn’t right there in the page they entered. Just seems odd. I’m with you

a reply to: FamCore

the virus is out, no control just hope not too many deaths

a reply to: Rich Z
You are known to have been exposed but actually haven’t caught it. You don’t realise you have been exposed again but this time you do catch it. When you start showing symptoms it is obviously assumed it was due to first exposure and that it has taken all that time to develop.
At least I think that’s what it means!

a reply to: doggodlol

You know what? I about had it with your one liners that add nothing apart from winding people up.
Somebody said it's just bickering. There are only 3 people on here that deliberately try and stir the pot, the rest is actually discussing things in an interesting way.
Surely there is something against this in the T&Cs. You are deliberately being obnoxious, not adding any value, nor more info.
Why are you on this thread?
I won't ever respond to any of your antagonistic, useless, posts again but I just killed two birds with one stone I guess.
I got it out of my system and you must really enjoy that I reacted.
For the short amusement you get out of this: You're welcome.

originally posted by: tennisdawg
Every few years, an anonymous poster comes on ATS, and begins leaking very credible information. The beginning of this leak is designed for others to verify, and to build credibility. The information this person has is almost too hard to fathom, and instantly brings out emotion as people slander and criticize the posts. These criticisms are coming from a place of fear, and they are perfectly understandable. As the leaker begins to drip the information, each post continues to escalate the truth of what they know.

This exact situation happened on this website in 2014 with a member named Astr0. He did what he could to build credibility, then built the narrative, and finally spilled the beans. The enormity of his information was too hard to swallow for many.

What I have shared is the truth to the best of my knowledge, and I have shared it in the best way I know how. This entire event is a deep state initiated scenario. This virus was artificially created on purpose, and it is designed to cycle through every human 3 times (possibly more). This will lead to a wartime event for the 2 major players on the globe. Someone wanted this to happen. It was artificially created by the U.S.A. It was then stolen by China. Neither China nor the US released this bioweapon. A third party wanted the 2 countries to blame the other. This is why China refuses to let the CDC (USA) help.

There is no stopping what is coming. It is done. Please prepare as best you can. This is not a world-ending virus, but it is a world changing virus. Time will now be measured only as before and after this event. Thank you all for your dialogue and responses. Whether we argue or not, I do wish ALL of you the best, as we are ALL from the same source. Good luck everyone.

You said that nobody knew who made the virus, yet you're now saying it was the US with all certainty. You literally said a couple of posts ago that it would be debated in the future in the same way 9/11 is and that laboratories had yet to prove where it come from, and that the "country that released it" had yet to be determined.

Ok then, you just lost all credibility to me. You're just making stuff up.

Let's get back to discussing the cases we are seeing outside China, that's literally the only hope of actually knowing what the hell is going on.

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: doggodlol
a reply to: tennisdawg

creating a new virus?

Oh, jeez, man......if these were your last days on earth or being healthy......is this really how you would want to spend your time or be remembered? If someone shows up to give you info, why personally attack them? Does it help you sleep better or give you some kind of superior rush, or what, exactly?
regards and stay safe,
tetra

Like I said in my response to tennisdawg - IF the information he has received is correct , this will lead to war, there can be no other outcome. THAT will be all the proof required for me.

Hey ARM: No where did I mention proof.....
That's kind of the whole point to me: It's no longer about who is right and who is wrong. The minute you get to that point where that's all that is important in any relationship, you are screwed, IMHO. This is just about sharing info so people can make up their own minds, prepare and try to remain safe and survive whatever is coming, including but not limited to just people attacking them who are overinvested in whomever's more accurate.

You missed my point entirely, that IF it were your last days, is that how or why you would want to spend your last time being healthy, or be remembered, because that is perhaps the most unhealthy thing you can pursue emotionally.....
regards and stay safe,
tetra

No, didn’t miss your point and never suggested you wanted proof. I do. It’s how I am. Big claims require bigly proving - at least for me. I’m not going to spend my last day/s believing any old crap. Not my way. Tennis might well be telling the truth - we should know soon enough. That’s all.

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Advantage

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: starfoxxx

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: starfoxxx

It's not all speculation and wild claims, you're just commenting on page 344 of Volume 2 of this thread, so you've evidently missed virtually everything (I'm using hyperbole but you get the message)...

How long it can last on surfaces (up to 28 days): New Study Indicates How Long Coronaviruses Can Survive on a Surface

Potentially this virus could be airborne (unconfirmed): Coronavirus Could Be Airborne, Chinese Official Claims

All of this and hundreds of other legit sources and links have been included in previous pages (and Volume 1). It's not really fair to jump in and say this thread is all fear mongering and doom porn if you can't even take the time to look up some readily available info or do a quick search online.

Not trying to shut you down or discourage you from participating in this thread (quite the opposite, would love more involvement in this thread from all members interested), but there have been at least a dozen members who keep derailing this thread and saying this event is over-hyped, laughable, etc. and it isn't any of those things.

Many of us are here because we want to keep up with the latest and also try to contribute to ongoing research. Hope that helps clarify your perception of this being a "fear mongering" thread, because it isn't that at all.

I certainly do not think this is laughable at all. I am all for information freedom and
if it IS TRUE 'this is WAY worse then what were being told' I DO WANT TO KNOW (this IS ATS after all)!!
For people who are just coming into this thread now (me and *hundreds if not a thousands because of front page ect)
because we are just now exploring how bad this virus is and what to do. Thinking now of how bad this
actually might be getting it is good courteousness to post evidence and not withhold information you know
because you might actually save lives. When coming fresh in this thread and just reading
the posts now could sound as just over hyped non-sense if there is no links or edifying information

/./

All of which you will find if you bother to read back through the threads. It’s all there for you if you have the time and patience.

Really.. I gave links directly from published articled and papers from biotech to the Lancet. I posted the info that I was emailed through my "job" on here from the WHO... so folks could see the pathetic response. Links links and links.. even a link from a 2018 research paper finding the nCOV19 now covid virus in a swine population in Guangdong. All one would have to do is READ and not attack posters and whine about not having read things for themselves.

Not sure whether you’re agreeing with me or having a go at me. Either way I agree with you. Not sure why anyone would pop in to this thread and then moan that everything wasn’t right there in the page they entered. Just seems odd. I’m with you

Im agreeing with you.
Personally Id not expect to walk into a thread and demand people stop what they are doing and give me information cause I asked for it. If you dont care about a subject enough to educate yourself.. why in the world someone think anyone gives a damn to hear their opinion?? LOL! Weird...

Since somehow we managed to get Astr0 and his last thread involved in this...

A very long time ago, back in the days that ATS still had the chatbox... one of ATS's oldest and most respected member who I will not name, said to me :

"if a ufo crashes in your backyard, you bury it as deep as you can, never tell anyone and forget about it!"

and that is how the world works and that is how people who are truly involved in conspiracies think.

At this point I think I'm indeed better off checking msm for updates then in this thread....
and apologies for going off topic

a reply to: Hecate666

you made a post to say your not bothered about my post,

id prefer this forum to have page which states which sites post updates about this virus and reliable ones at that, and at which time the updates normally happen

thought this site was a chat function where ppl can voice concerns or ideas

Wanted to link this post by MrRCflying:

I am going to give some tips, and this is for everyone, not just directed at you. I think it is good information, and I don't want to hold on to it if it can help someone. I am not a prepper per se, but I have been preparing since the Ebola scare in 2014. I am not panicked, and have continued daily life. I have done some research, and believe I am ready to "shelter in place" if the SHTF.

I purposely did not quote the entire post, but please take the time to look at what he posted and at least keep all he mentions in the back of your mind. Should this turn out to be what tennisdawg has stated, it would be prudent to have supplies in place and MrRCflying gives a lot of good information when making a list of said supplies.

If this is a serious SHTF scenario, you might only have a small window of time in which to prepare if you are not already ready.

For myself and my immediate family, we have a small amount extra on hand. Will be looking into perhaps increasing that a bit and keeping a very close eye on this thread as a means to determine when to go all out on supply prep. Hopefully ATS is far enough ahead of the curve so as to avoid the panic buying that would take place in the eventuality that this is a big deal rather than fevered imaginings.

Just read wartime status declared for city of Beijing, dont know how true this is. Was posted 4 min ago

thewatchtowers.org...

originally posted by: KindraLaBelle
Since somehow we managed to get Astr0 and his last thread involved in this...

A very long time ago, back in the days that ATS still had the chatbox... one of ATS's oldest and most respected member who I will not name, said to me :

"if a ufo crashes in your backyard, you bury it as deep as you can, never tell anyone and forget about it!"

and that is how the world works and that is how people who are truly involved in conspiracies think.

At this point I think I'm indeed better off checking msm for updates then in this thread....
and apologies for going off topic

I believe that a conspiracy site is the last place one should be getting news from regarding a potential virus outbreak.

a reply to: tennisdawg

oke, not saying I believe you, not saying I don't believe you, but it's hard, with all the (dis)information on the internet about everything.

A couple of questions (I didn't read every single post in the thread, so it may be that you have answered some of it already.):

- From what kind of sources do you get information? And why would they give you any extra information, besides the info you needed for the facility plans you made?

- Anyway to verify some of your info, or who you are (well, not who you are, but something to verify you can have access to this kind of info.)?

- Do you have any info about the Netherlands?

- You talked about Brighton and Houston the other day, especially about Houston I can't find any info thus far, what exactly are you referring to?

Edit: Just read some of your starting posts, and updated some of the questions above.

Was just thinking, in regards to estimated numbers of deceased coming out of China etc. I think we all believe the numbers being fed to the world are vastly under what one would expect for the reaction China has shown so.. If there are only so many creamatoriums able to handle the vast amount of people dying then other means must be taking place. We have all seen the posts of SO2 emissions being rather high around Wuhan.

www.taiwannews.com.tw...

This got me thinking.. Now mind you the average person couldn't look into this but the 3&4 letter agency's surely could and.. Probably have been. There is quite possibly a way to see if mass Graves or fire pits are being built in and around these areas with the high SO2 counts.

Not allot of people know this but caterpillar is located in China. Each vehicle that is equiped uses asset tracking.

And what is asset tracking..

www.cat.com...

I'm not saying they are using caterpillar to dig these pits or even that they are.. I'm just trying to think outside the box here.

'If they' are using heavy equipment and it's a cat then chances are that those machines can be tracked. I know for a fact that they are not blocked for look up in North America.
It would also tell you if allot of equipment has recently been moved and where it's been moved to and how much it's been used.(down to the bucket load)

Mind you satellites could give you that info too.

On a side note I found these comments interesting in regards to what I'm saying.
Excerpt from a Bloomberg article shown below.

"Caterpillar Inc., a worldwide barometer for manufacturing, provided a downcast outlook for 2020 on Friday, adding it is monitoring the virus closely."

www.bloomberg.com...

Hmm I bet they are...

So believe me someone out there if on the ball.. Definitely know the scoop on those numbers being fabricated and that is a big for sure.
Sick of the MSM puking out those numbers like they are gospel and never questioning the truth.. You know the stuff we all want to know and should expect on an issue as serious as this.
Anyways ust my 2 cents and sorry no math charts ha

originally posted by: 68Satellite
Was just thinking, in regards to estimated numbers of deceased coming out of China etc. I think we all believe the numbers being fed to the world are vastly under what one would expect for the reaction China has shown so.. If there are only so many creamatoriums able to handle the vast amount of people dying then other means must be taking place. We have all seen the posts of SO2 emissions being rather high around Wuhan.

www.taiwannews.com.tw...

This got me thinking.. Now mind you the average person couldn't look into this but the 3&4 letter agency's surely could and.. Probably have been. There is quite possibly a way to see if mass Graves or fire pits are being built in and around these areas with the high SO2 counts.

Not allot of people know this but caterpillar is located in China. Each vehicle that is equiped uses asset tracking.

And what is asset tracking..

www.cat.com...

I'm not saying they are using caterpillar to dig these pits or even that they are.. I'm just trying to think outside the box here.

'If they' are using heavy equipment and it's a cat then chances are that those machines can be tracked. I know for a fact that they are not blocked for look up in North America.
It would also tell you if allot of equipment has recently been moved and where it's been moved to and how much it's been used.(down to the bucket load)

Mind you satellites could give you that info too.

On a side note I found these comments interesting in regards to what I'm saying.
Excerpt from a Bloomberg article shown below.

"Caterpillar Inc., a worldwide barometer for manufacturing, provided a downcast outlook for 2020 on Friday, adding it is monitoring the virus closely."

www.bloomberg.com...

Hmm I bet they are...

So believe me someone out there if on the ball.. Definitely know the scoop on those numbers being fabricated and that is a big for sure.
Sick of the MSM puking out those numbers like they are gospel and never questioning the truth.. You know the stuff we all want to know and should expect on an issue as serious as this.
Anyways ust my 2 cents and sorry no math charts ha

Architect here, at least in EU there are contracts you can sign to have the feature disabled if the guy who owns the machines does so (in the case of construction, these machines, 99% of the time, belong to a different company than the one actually building the project, and that one rents them, if the owner company has it disabled, it remains disabled. Besides, they're almost useless, since the tracking is not legally-binding, at the end of the day it is worthless because you should always have a guy from the studio inspecting the construction every week at first, and rely on the company man the rest of the time).

The only time that would be useful for is just for the owner company to know where they are on a general level, as to say "oh yeah, they're in X construction site."

But in reality, that isn't needed.

originally posted by: 68Satellite
Was just thinking, in regards to estimated numbers of deceased coming out of China etc. I think we all believe the numbers being fed to the world are vastly under what one would expect for the reaction China has shown so.. If there are only so many creamatoriums able to handle the vast amount of people dying then other means must be taking place. We have all seen the posts of SO2 emissions being rather high around Wuhan.

www.taiwannews.com.tw...

This got me thinking.. Now mind you the average person couldn't look into this but the 3&4 letter agency's surely could and.. Probably have been. There is quite possibly a way to see if mass Graves or fire pits are being built in and around these areas with the high SO2 counts.

Not allot of people know this but caterpillar is located in China. Each vehicle that is equiped uses asset tracking.

And what is asset tracking..

www.cat.com...

I'm not saying they are using caterpillar to dig these pits or even that they are.. I'm just trying to think outside the box here.

'If they' are using heavy equipment and it's a cat then chances are that those machines can be tracked. I know for a fact that they are not blocked for look up in North America.
It would also tell you if allot of equipment has recently been moved and where it's been moved to and how much it's been used.(down to the bucket load)

Mind you satellites could give you that info too.

On a side note I found these comments interesting in regards to what I'm saying.
Excerpt from a Bloomberg article shown below.

"Caterpillar Inc., a worldwide barometer for manufacturing, provided a downcast outlook for 2020 on Friday, adding it is monitoring the virus closely."

www.bloomberg.com...

Hmm I bet they are...

So believe me someone out there if on the ball.. Definitely know the scoop on those numbers being fabricated and that is a big for sure.
Sick of the MSM puking out those numbers like they are gospel and never questioning the truth.. You know the stuff we all want to know and should expect on an issue as serious as this.
Anyways ust my 2 cents and sorry no math charts ha

Very cool post! This is what I like.. these bits of info that we can complete the puzzle with.

double post

Vaccine Found

Apparently, a California lab found a vaccine in just 3 hours. 7 months before human testing, but could be ramped up faster than that if everything falls into place.

www.foxbusiness.com...

a reply to: Mateo96

I’d tend to agree, if as tennisdawg claims then the outcome would be war,
there’s news reports about people spreading this on forums (you can google that and find them, and I believe those people are being investigated I think someone asked an acency to trace them, not sure)
And they are claiming it was Iran or Russia that USA made it and did it to start a war, tbh imho no one would be that stupid!, the only outcome if true would be China launches, USA retaliates then probably Russia, North Korea Iran, the middles east retaliates against USA then nato joins in and game over!
There would be no one left so only an idiot would even consider it

Iran denied this
www.timesofisrael.com...
( ok so that’s like believing the ccp!)

Some in Russia
nationalinterest.org...

www.google.co.uk...

USA

www.google.co.uk... er-for-corona-virus-vaccine/amp/

Mostly debunked

foreignpolicy.com...

YouTube crack down on fake corona virus vids

www.google.co.uk...

Tbh looks mostly like the internet spreading bs again like in the previous elections etc
I’m not saying it’s not true just doesn’t look like it imho.

a reply to: 68Satellite

Not allot of people know this but caterpillar is located in China. Each vehicle that is equiped uses asset tracking.

Cat HQ is in Deerfield IL.

I'm not saying they are using caterpillar to dig these pits or even that they are.. I'm just trying to think outside the box here.

Not trying to bash or anything like that, but I'm failing to see what it is you're getting at?