Corona Virus Updates Part 2

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: MaverickLRD
The majority of scientific beliefs point to on or around December 1 for the first confirmed case
I’m good going back a couple weeks to mid November. Putting us at 3 months
The US it’s been around confirmed for 3 weeks

Which, since there was unrestricted travel from China/WuHan for many weeks in the first month, combined with the report of at least 5 million[/ WuHan natives who fled before the lockdown... means that if this thing was going to hit us hard, we'd already be well on our way. But we are not.

While I still think this should have hit the entire world hard by now, most of those 5 million escapees must have traveled to other mainland China regions.

originally posted by: Mateo96

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: MaverickLRD
The majority of scientific beliefs point to on or around December 1 for the first confirmed case
I’m good going back a couple weeks to mid November. Putting us at 3 months
The US it’s been around confirmed for 3 weeks

Which, since there was unrestricted travel from China/WuHan for many weeks in the first month, combined with the report of at least 5 million[/ WuHan natives who fled before the lockdown... means that if this thing was going to hit us hard, we'd already be well on our way. But we are not.

While I still think this should have hit the entire world hard by now, most of those 5 million escapees must have traveled to other mainland China regions.

Data collected shows they went worldwide

www.eg24.news...

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: Mateo96

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: MaverickLRD
The majority of scientific beliefs point to on or around December 1 for the first confirmed case
I’m good going back a couple weeks to mid November. Putting us at 3 months
The US it’s been around confirmed for 3 weeks

Which, since there was unrestricted travel from China/WuHan for many weeks in the first month, combined with the report of at least 5 million[/ WuHan natives who fled before the lockdown... means that if this thing was going to hit us hard, we'd already be well on our way. But we are not.

While I still think this should have hit the entire world hard by now, most of those 5 million escapees must have traveled to other mainland China regions.

Data collected shows they went worldwide

www.eg24.news...

I stand corrected then, thanks. I do remember somebody posting a long page with multiple sources and graphs and it showed that 10 out of 11 of those 5 million had stayed within China.

It is quite baffling then.

originally posted by: tennisdawg

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: JSpader
Tennis, any material movement by elements of Federal ?????

Actually, this is a very good question...

Would be interesting to start hearing reports from those in the know about any federal military equipment and/or troop movements that seem out of the ordinary.

I agree with you guys on this. I was not involved in the phase 1 (air force base) quarantines. I was involved in secondary and tertiary locations (not operated by the military) aka Phase 2 and Phase 3. I am sure there are numerous people on the website that can speak to the happenings at those bases in Phase 1. If this situation gets to the the locations in Phase 2 and 3, then their will be no hiding those projects from the media or public.

More info on the above. Phase 1 plans for the air bases have been thought about for decades, and updated yearly. Phase 2 and 3 locations are rarely looked at or studied seriously. They involve private or commercial buildings, structures, islands, barges, etc. Eminent domain would be stretched to the limit to get some of these properties for emergency use.

I was asked to look at a Phase 4 situation, but if you review the math I have posted about the possible infection rate, you will understand the following:

We were unable to plan for a phase 4. It was eventually labeled as Phase X in my study because all societal norms and services will have broken down by this point. There were no templates for what would happen, and I could not even begin to guess the outcomes.

originally posted by: NxNWest
As an FYI, China has nearly the entire world’s supply of vitamin C (estimated at 95%).

I would never buy a nutritional product knowingly sourced from China. NEVER. And that has nothing to do with the CV scare right now.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: NxNWest
As an FYI, China has nearly the entire world’s supply of vitamin C (estimated at 95%).

I would never buy a nutritional product knowingly sourced from China. NEVER. And that has nothing to do with the CV scare right now.

I don’t want to veer to far into the political aspect but it is interesting seeing medical supply shortages becoming ever more apparent due to dependence on Chinese made products and pharmaceuticals
Surely this will be looked at

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: new_here
the "24-day incubation period" is likely cases where someone gets infected once, then reinfected a 2nd time.

Interesting point, I hadn't thought of that. Thanks!

Those doing the testing assume its the one lifecycle for a single infection when in fact it could be 2. That's what the MedCram CoronaVirus episode 15 discussed on Youtube anyway. I'd check it if you haven't already

(can't post it at the moment, sorry but if you can't find it let me know I'll PM you the link in a bit)

I'll def watch it when I have time...

a reply to: tanstaafl

Easy to understand why people have that point of view tbh
news.sky.com...

originally posted by: logicsoda

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Tukota
Fox News just did a live shot about the quarantined group from the 1st plane. The reporter, William La Jeunesse, stated that all 195 citizens from the 1st flight have completed their 14-day quarantine. He said that these people were monitored closer than any group of people in the U.S. and the military spokesperson said that they need to be able to return to their lives, and should be welcomed back into their neighborhoods.

Again with the lack of details...

But reading between the lines, apparently NONE of them ever tested positive?

Lack of details is pretty common around here. A lot of it is wild conjecture, references to questionable sources, etc (one tried to link me to express.co.uk, which is highly dubious at best)

I was watching the news, watched the segment, and shared what they said. I also volunteered that what I was sharing was from a news clip in case anyone wanted to log onto Fox News and read up about it themselves. I wasn't trying to be vague, just share what I had heard during that segment on a trusted news network. So many people work in an office (I work from a home office) and don't get to see news clips that appear randomly during the work day. I thought those that can't watch news during the day might appreciate having the update since it was big news that the 195 were being released.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Advantage
This one is completely new, and our immune system will go all hands on deck with it and because we don't have the right antibodies because our systems have never seen anything like it, we get completely sick at the same time.

So... how do you explain the total lack of evidence to support this? Most of the reported cases are either asymptomatic, or only have minor symptoms. Nothing serious, at least that I've seen any reports of.

originally posted by: Mateo96

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: Mateo96

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: MaverickLRD
The majority of scientific beliefs point to on or around December 1 for the first confirmed case
I’m good going back a couple weeks to mid November. Putting us at 3 months
The US it’s been around confirmed for 3 weeks

Which, since there was unrestricted travel from China/WuHan for many weeks in the first month, combined with the report of at least 5 million[/ WuHan natives who fled before the lockdown... means that if this thing was going to hit us hard, we'd already be well on our way. But we are not.

While I still think this should have hit the entire world hard by now, most of those 5 million escapees must have traveled to other mainland China regions.

Data collected shows they went worldwide

www.eg24.news...

I stand corrected then, thanks. I do remember somebody posting a long page with multiple sources and graphs and it showed that 10 out of 11 of those 5 million had stayed within China.

It is quite baffling then.

I think I'd need more proof than that article. It was based on an article from The Sun newspaper and looks like fear porn. Using words like 'fleeing' Wuhan at a time of year when millions of Chinese go home, not just from around the world but from one part of China to the other.

"This mass migration is the largest annual movement of humans in the world."
india.uitp.org...

Proving millions left China does not prove they all came from Wuhan or anything out the the ordinary.

originally posted by: Whenever82828
If there really is a risk for other countries to be effected as badly as China right now, and 14 days quarantine is what is being suggested.

What would be some arguments against putting the majority of the population into say a months quarantine now

Maybe, the fact that there is no evidence to support such a risk?

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67

originally posted by: Mateo96

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: Mateo96

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: MaverickLRD
The majority of scientific beliefs point to on or around December 1 for the first confirmed case
I’m good going back a couple weeks to mid November. Putting us at 3 months
The US it’s been around confirmed for 3 weeks

Which, since there was unrestricted travel from China/WuHan for many weeks in the first month, combined with the report of at least 5 million[/ WuHan natives who fled before the lockdown... means that if this thing was going to hit us hard, we'd already be well on our way. But we are not.

While I still think this should have hit the entire world hard by now, most of those 5 million escapees must have traveled to other mainland China regions.

Data collected shows they went worldwide

www.eg24.news...

I stand corrected then, thanks. I do remember somebody posting a long page with multiple sources and graphs and it showed that 10 out of 11 of those 5 million had stayed within China.

It is quite baffling then.

I think I'd need more proof than that article. It was based on an article from The Sun newspaper and looks like fear porn. Using words like 'fleeing' Wuhan at a time of year when millions of Chinese go home, not just from around the world but from one part of China to the other.

"This mass migration is the largest annual movement of humans in the world."
india.uitp.org...

Proving millions left China does not prove they all came from Wuhan or anything out the the ordinary.

It’s interesting that people need more proof on travel itineraries but then believe recycled social media videos creating hysteria about conditions in infected areas of China, or believe that numbers outside of China are inaccurate
Many people leaving were traveling during the Chinese New Year.

I do agree, it’s not the greatest source...and we need more reliable fact base evidence on every aspect. But can only work with what’s being put out there

58 million people live in that province. Surely they have family traveling or living abroad also. There’s 1,000 people in LA self quarantined from travel to China, 200 in Atlanta. The list goes on.
Furthermore those numbers were from 6 weeks after the alleged outbreak began, after 6 weeks it’s doubtful the virus was still isolated to Wuhan
I don’t think it’s far fetched to say that there are many individuals from the region that are no longer in the region
Maybe not 5 million, but enough to spread infection

Health officials in Singapore have confirmed three additional cases of the novel coronavirus.

According to the Ministry of Health, all three of the newly confirmed patients are Singaporean citizens with no travel history to mainland China. The male patients are 34, 46, and 62 years old.

via CNN

originally posted by: SpartanStoic
a reply to: kwakakev

I don't agree with tanstaafl. We don't have anywhere near the correct numbers from CCP to determine if it's a pandemic.

I haven't based any of my suppositions on the CCP numbers.

I am basing my suppositions on the fact that this thing has been in the wild for at least 3 months or so, and the numbers outside China simply don't reflect a crisis of any kind.

a reply to: Power_Semi

Regarding your comment to tennisdawg..... and him saying this thread is being watched... Various agencies watch it (and others like 4 Chan and Reddit) for a couple of reasons. One is to see what people are thinking and another is to see if people are figuring out something they don't want us to. This has been discussed here in the past. It helps to get an idea of how to direct the media. And that's not a conspiracy. It would be dumb NOT to keep an eye on sites like this. It's done mostly with political threads but also with events like this.

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67

originally posted by: Mateo96

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: Mateo96

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: MaverickLRD
The majority of scientific beliefs point to on or around December 1 for the first confirmed case
I’m good going back a couple weeks to mid November. Putting us at 3 months
The US it’s been around confirmed for 3 weeks

Which, since there was unrestricted travel from China/WuHan for many weeks in the first month, combined with the report of at least 5 million[/ WuHan natives who fled before the lockdown... means that if this thing was going to hit us hard, we'd already be well on our way. But we are not.

While I still think this should have hit the entire world hard by now, most of those 5 million escapees must have traveled to other mainland China regions.

Data collected shows they went worldwide

www.eg24.news...

I stand corrected then, thanks. I do remember somebody posting a long page with multiple sources and graphs and it showed that 10 out of 11 of those 5 million had stayed within China.

It is quite baffling then.

I think I'd need more proof than that article. It was based on an article from The Sun newspaper and looks like fear porn. Using words like 'fleeing' Wuhan at a time of year when millions of Chinese go home, not just from around the world but from one part of China to the other.

"This mass migration is the largest annual movement of humans in the world."
india.uitp.org...

Proving millions left China does not prove they all came from Wuhan or anything out the the ordinary.

It’s interesting that people need more proof on travel itineraries but then believe recycled social media videos creating hysteria about conditions in infected areas of China, or believe that numbers outside of China are inaccurate
Many people leaving were traveling during the Chinese New Year.

I do agree, it’s not the greatest source...and we need more reliable fact base evidence on every aspect. But can only work with what’s being put out there

58 million people live in that province. Surely they have family traveling or living abroad also. There’s 1,000 people in LA self quarantined from travel to China, 200 in Atlanta. The list goes on.
Furthermore those numbers were from 6 weeks after the alleged outbreak began, after 6 weeks it’s doubtful the virus was still isolated to Wuhan
I don’t think it’s far fetched to say that there are many individuals from the region that are no longer in the region
Maybe not 5 million, but enough to spread infection

Oh no don't get me wrong, I'm not disregarding it completely, just pointing out the inflammatory language of the article and its origins. You are spot on that travel from anywhere in China would be suspect to varying degrees dependant upon the extent of spread at any given time.