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Trans Activism, Trans Regret, and Resources for Desisters and Detransitioners

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posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea


I was highlighting that the evidence of the brain physiology shows that those with gender dysphoria brains actually do represent their desired natal sex brains as such and are therefore completely different from "auto genyphiles " who simply identify as the opposite sex of their natal sex

Just to show that there is definitely not just their active imaginations , like people who simply desire to be another sex by choice
and that the evidence also shows there are equal numbers of genders as there are humans on earth due to our varying calcium homeostasis system.

Im speaking in general terms about thinking and acting like a female , Im sure they already have this dont they ? before adults are considered for surgery they have to live the life of the desired sex right ?
They need to dress, socialise and do things that those of that sex normally do

I am not saying that everyone acts the same far from it we are all different to a degree, and comparing how humans act in different cultures and times isn't helpful either , because its all relative to their place and time and context

We are all different but we are all human (that's the #ing bottom line) , and as humans of male and female we have behaviours and habits and our nature , so we are all similar and we have stereotypes for a reason because we all fit into those stereotypes, what do you think psychology and neurscience are all about ? those arent stereotypes , humans do exhibit the same behaviours as we are all the same species
we arent all special little flowers that exist independently of each other, we are all the same #ing thing

we have biology and that tells a lot about humans and our behaviours and similarities
and as such we can draw many conclusions from that
however where we obviously fail is when we start to use subjective states of consciousness as evidence of objective reality and that's where it breaks down for me

Ok as you said you cant tell me what it is to be female , so how can a trans person with gender dysphoria "know" they are in the wrong body if you cant feel what it means to be male or female , if they have never actually existed as that sex ?
Well id look at the biological evidence, for them it shows that their brain is like that of their desired sex

where as others simply identify , and obviously neither have lived or existed as the opposite sex so how can they say they feel it, well I agree that those with gender dysphoria can claim they have felt that , because their brain scans show it , but those that dont have gender dysphoria , well I think its just subjective




posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

What about the 95% of those with gender dysphoria that outgrow it?



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yes what about them ? they arent often discussed , I'd like to know more please ?

grow out of it by that do you mean they simply dont give in to their emotional mental and physical desires to be the opposite sex from their natal birth and never transition ?



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

Depending on what study you look at 75%-95% grow out of it, as in they go back to being their biological sex and never have thoughts about being trans again. So it's not simply they don't transition, no longer have any trans identity, hidden or otherwise. That simply would be impossible if it was a brain wiring issue where they were born with the opposite sex brain.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

well I dont think it would be impossible , just that we haven't discovered what causes that reversal after the development stage
there may be a brain function in place that corrects these things we simply dont know about

if they exhibit the brain patters of their desired sex during fetal development or in the stages of infancy
then maybe the brain eventually corrects itself in development and hormones controlling those states simply reverse that brain state and put it back to the natal sex development it was meant to be.

If you get my meaning.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:05 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

well I dont think it would be impossible , just that we haven't discovered what causes that reversal after the development stage
there may be a brain function in place that corrects these things we simply dont know about


If the brain shifts like that then you can't claim they are born with the wrong wiring, perhaps it shifted due to societal/parental pressures.

It is impossible to claim they are born with the wrong wiring if you also claim the brain just easily shifts wiring from one gender to the next.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

well I dont think it would be impossible , just that we haven't discovered what causes that reversal after the development stage
there may be a brain function in place that corrects these things we simply dont know about


perhaps it shifted due to societal/parental pressures.



Boom. 50 years from now when you read about this in history books, this is what you're gonna read. Real cases are few and far between. This is mostly socially driven.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: face23785

Think we will still be around that long?



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:19 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

what the evidence says is that they are born with a defect as normally when humans are born they are either male or female for the purposes of creating viable offspring for the survival of the species and passing on genes.
What it is saying is that those who suffer gender dysphoria will have brains similar to the opposite sex during early stages of development.

the brain doesnt shift from one gender to the next , what it is saying is that a male born with gender dysphoria will have a brain pattern and growth structures similar to the brain of a female born

and vice versa

multiple genders exist due to the unique calcium homeostasis system in humans.

Also its not a claim its a real birth abnormality or defect , now re-classified by WHO as "biological phenomenon"
rather than abnormality or defect due to the social stigma that surrounds those terms in the social setting.

What I was saying is that the existence of those who have gender dysphoria and never transition or even consider it and go about their lives as their natal sex , maybe indicates that the brain has the ability to rewire the sex part of our mind .

Just like the brain can rewire neurons , im sure it would maybe have the ability to correct errors in memory and also maybe in sex or gender areas of the psyche
that part is entirely my claim , as my explanation for those that have gender dysphoria but never transition.

Of course its entirely dependent on evidence that supports it , are there any who have gender dysphoria in their youth and adult life then have had brain scans to show they exhibit the brain of their natal sex. showing a reversal of the previous state ?
If we are able to treat depression and anxiety and change peoples brains to recover from things like that
then surely its possible .
I think it will only be a matter of time

Although I think the best thing for this is psychedelics as I think it relates to the idea of self , but also something else , its not just as black and white as that , reason I say that is we treat anxiety , depression and PTSD with psychedelics
and it has shown to be successful in treating patients.




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posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: face23785

Think we will still be around that long?


Depends how old you are now.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Annee


As said Gender is Gender and has nothing to do with sexual attraction.


Only in transgender ideology and theory...

Not especially helpful in an OP addressing those who have lived transgender ideology and are now rejecting that transgender ideology -- aka Detransitioners and Desisters -- who are already confused, hurting, and seekking for better answers.


What is the percentage of those happy and content with their transition?

Pretty sure that number outweighs the small percentage of those who claim otherwise.

I'd say you have personal issues with this subject. Why?



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

I love how there are as many genders as there are humans. Wouldn't that just mean we are all individuals, not "genders"?

Then it comes back to biological sex, and the idea that most everyone comes back to the sex of their birth just means that puberty hits and hormones kick in bringing you into alignment with your biological sex despite your individual nature.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

what the evidence says is that they are born with a defect as normally when humans are born they are either male or female for the purposes of creating viable offspring for the survival of the species and passing on genes.
What it is saying is that those who suffer gender dysphoria will have brains similar to the opposite sex during early stages of development.

Can you link me that evidence? I only know of research with adolescents. I am particularly interested in the scans of individuals during fetal development and infancy you claim we have research on.


the brain doesnt shift from one gender to the next , what it is saying is that a male born with gender dysphoria will have a brain pattern and growth structures similar to the brain of a female born

What happened to the 95% who outgrow dysphoria? If their brain does not shift how do they identify as their born gender with a brain wired for the opposite gender? Your statement makes no sense in light of the facts.


What I was saying is that the existence of those who have gender dysphoria and never transition or even consider it and go about their lives as their natal sex , maybe indicates that the brain has the ability to rewire the sex part of our mind .

Evidence and research that proves this claim of yours.



Of course its entirely dependent on evidence that supports it , are there any who have gender dysphoria in their youth and adult life then have had brain scans to show they exhibit the brain of their natal sex. showing a reversal of the previous state ?

Brain scans are your evidence, and they just started the research about a year ago. How could they possibly have scans over decades when the research literally just started.
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posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Annee


As said Gender is Gender and has nothing to do with sexual attraction.


Only in transgender ideology and theory...

Not especially helpful in an OP addressing those who have lived transgender ideology and are now rejecting that transgender ideology -- aka Detransitioners and Desisters -- who are already confused, hurting, and seekking for better answers.


What is the percentage of those happy and content with their transition?

Pretty sure that number outweighs the small percentage of those who claim otherwise.

I'd say you have personal issues with this subject. Why?

Since they are 4 times more likely to have mental health issues and about 80% have mental health issues I would say the percentage is not that high.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:39 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I have posted it before in other threads which boadecia started let me look for it

the search term relating to genders
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"two sexes but multiple genders"

Two sexes but multiple genders

I think there is a section in that paper that discusses the brains being similar to the desired sex



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Oh, you know that's just our fault because we're mean and aren't all changing our own sexes like they do and we won't have sex with them and totally don't bend over backward to affirm that they are indeed yellow-winged dragonkin who sexually identify as red brick buildings and stuff like that and we don't automatically announce our preferred pronouns everywhere we go and know theirs and do jazz hands instead of clapping to avoid triggering them and all kinds of stuff.

It makes them doubleplus ungood happy, so they just can't stand to live their fragile existences here anymore.




posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

I looked, I do not see your claims backed up at all. I did notice this.

Furthermore, it is logical to assume that different brain parts may acquire different sets of Ca2+-homeostasis patterns


Logical, meaning it's not based on rigorous research but one person's opinion based on a guess.



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Hi Oc

sorry I cant find the specific study with the brain scans but it was from this article on science daily

Transgender brains are more like their desired sex at early stages

I am not 100% sure but I think this study is related

Transexualism, a different view point to brain changes



posted on Feb, 4 2020 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The last part about me saying that maybe the brain has the ability to change the sex part

that was my claim and it is not backed up by any of the links i Posted
it was simply speculation based on the brains ability to rewire itself as shown in studies of PTSD , Anxiety and Depression and even schizophrenia using pscyhoactives

the links I posted support the multiple genders and brain states similar to desired sex

the excerpt you posted is from a peer reviewed paper , the scientist that wrote it is basing that opinion on the evidence they gathered and then logically concluded that to be the case.
They arent appealing to authority here mate

how the hell do you think scientists get any further? b they need to ask questions and then either prove or disprove it with evidence.


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