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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: pexx421
BND serves primarily state government accounts and the state had to make a law by which ALL state of North Dakota banking goes through BND. The bank serves very few private accounts. Also North Dakota is the 4th least populous US state. We are talking about an overall nation and federal government here. A federal government which has a long history of misusing dollars (as evidenced by it's outlandish national debt and even more outlandish unfunded liabilities)... but you think it could operate more efficiently than private industries? Puh-leeze!
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: pexx421
BND serves primarily state government accounts and the state had to make a law by which ALL state of North Dakota banking goes through BND. The bank serves very few private accounts. Also North Dakota is the 4th least populous US state. We are talking about an overall nation and federal government here. A federal government which has a long history of misusing dollars (as evidenced by it's outlandish national debt and even more outlandish unfunded liabilities)... but you think it could operate more efficiently than private industries? Puh-leeze!
No, we’re not. We’re talking about one example, that you requested, where the govt acts as a better, more efficient shepherd of money. I gave it to you. Change the goal posts somewhere else.
originally posted by: carewemust
It sounds like Bernie Sanders is kicking butt in tonight's Iowa caucus.
originally posted by: carewemust
It sounds like Bernie Sanders is kicking butt in tonight's Iowa caucus.
originally posted by: pexx421
You’re making the claim. Support it with facts or shut up.
originally posted by: Riffrafter
Bernie vs Trump will be a real horse race.
Trump will probably prevail
but having 2 good candidates with very different ideas about what's good for our country benefits all of us.
I'm going to enjoy Presidential election race 2020.
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: pexx421
You’re making the claim. Support it with facts or shut up.
Asking me to prove that government takeover of the economy increases costs and inefficiencies by orders of magnitude when compared to a profit driven private sector is like asking me to prove that water runs downhill.
So, show me a commun[social][fasc]ist state that is anywhere near as successful as our country is right now and provides even half the level of personal freedom - or STFU yourself.
originally posted by: pexx421
Except we’re not talking about “government taking over the economy”. That’s not on anyone’s table.
We’re talking about a simple fact.
Can government run businesses be as successful or more successful than private ones. And this has been proven true many times over.
There are plenty gov run health systems that score much higher than the private, us health system. Govt utilities that provide better services at lower cost than private ones seem to be the majority. Govt provided police seem as effective or more so than private investigators. There’s govt run oil and gas companies such as in Norway, that do just as good. I typically find the usps to be just as good as fedex or ups. It does seem also that black water and the us military are equally good at wasting huge amounts of taxpayer dollars as well.
So, there ya go.
originally posted by: network dude
They wouldn't be angry at Trump or Trump's people, we would love to run against Bernie. They would be angry at the DNC. Something about the enemy of my enemy........
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: pexx421
Except we’re not talking about “government taking over the economy”. That’s not on anyone’s table.
The health care industry is about 20% of the economy. Anyone who says that a government takeover of that sector of our economy is not 'government taking over our economy' is just stupid.
Are you?
We’re talking about a simple fact.
No. You're yammering about pure fantasies running around in your head.
Can government run businesses be as successful or more successful than private ones. And this has been proven true many times over.
So, by all means... show the evidence.
There are plenty gov run health systems that score much higher than the private, us health system. Govt utilities that provide better services at lower cost than private ones seem to be the majority. Govt provided police seem as effective or more so than private investigators. There’s govt run oil and gas companies such as in Norway, that do just as good. I typically find the usps to be just as good as fedex or ups. It does seem also that black water and the us military are equally good at wasting huge amounts of taxpayer dollars as well.
So, there ya go.
There ya go? A lot of vague references with zero substance to back it up.
One thing I'll give you - small/local municipalities do seem to occasionally be able to provide decent internet service as compared to the government approved monopolies (which are really just government service in disguise) - if they can get past the lawsuits brought forth by the other government service provider(s) - you know them as the government protected monopoly disguised as the local cable company.
originally posted by: pneumatikoi
originally posted by: network dude
They wouldn't be angry at Trump or Trump's people, we would love to run against Bernie. They would be angry at the DNC. Something about the enemy of my enemy........
Absolutely correct. The DNC and Bernie’s people are very much NOT the same camp. And oh boy would Bernie’s people love a Bernie vs Trump election.
originally posted by: pexx421
Ah. I see. You talk around in circles, never putting up facts of your own, and shifting the goal post whenever I provide facts and answers.
As if you don’t know that the vast majority of western industrialized nations have gov healthcare that ranks far higher than ours but costs way less.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude
I hope Bernie gets the nomination so that we can finally have a moratorium on the merits of Capitalism versus the merits of Socialism.
Only Bootyjudge beat him out in Iowa. Does that bode well for Democrats ? My dad used to say “ what’s 50% of nothing “.
originally posted by: proximo
a reply to: network dude
I can understand why Bernie supporters might be pissed if he gets screwed out of the nomination again.
But - they really should not be too pissed, because he has literally no chance in the general election.
This is the main reason they are trying to screw him over - the DNC knows he has no chance and they want to have a chance - they aren't just doing it because they don't like the guy.