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originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
The real enemy is the warmonger neolib and neocons and their forever wars.
originally posted by: Metallicus
originally posted by: lakenheath24
Normal Democrats and Republicans are moderates....the Dems have no moderates and thus no chance
Of course they said that about Trump too, BUT, i think peeps are willing to overlook Trumps retarded antics as long as the econkmy is good. If he would just can the douchebaggery I could like.him more. For now.though....i like.his policies and thats enough.
In some ways Trump’s ‘douchebaggery’ is part of his appeal. I know I enjoy him calling out the asshats in Congress on both sides of the aisle and his lack of political polish if fun. Him not being a full of crap politicians is refreshing to me.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: pexx421
Well, let's see here...
Public banking is what got us into the 2008 Great Recession and what has lead us to $1.5 Trillion in outstanding student loan debt. Private banks actually means test people, public banking takes the position their political panderers demand they take, such as "everyone should be able to own a house" and "everyone should be able to attend higher education, regardless of their intended degree of study and how financially prudent it will ultimately be."
Let me bounce the ball back to you, give me empirical data showing the government deserves to be placed in charge of this system. Show me data that proves the public sector is more efficient, less open to pandering and manipulation than private sector, hell give me one example of the government being a good steward over money they TAKE versus private businesses which receive their money by CHOICE of each consumer. Should be easy for ya to find in one of those red covered manuals of approved narratives.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: 0zzymand0s
OK, I was unclear with my comment. Let me rest... do you think the average Democrat also sees the "forever war neolibs and neocons" as their real enemy and, if so, ...fill in Trump question above.
It seems that you actually answered the unspoken part of my question and that answer is that the average Democrat doesn't actually see the "forever war neolibs and neocons" as the real enemy. In which case, I think it is entirely possible that the average Dem is also far too sympathetic to the BS of the Social Justice Democrat and the growing number of extreme left socialist democrats.
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: pexx421
Well, let's see here...
Public banking is what got us into the 2008 Great Recession and what has lead us to $1.5 Trillion in outstanding student loan debt. Private banks actually means test people, public banking takes the position their political panderers demand they take, such as "everyone should be able to own a house" and "everyone should be able to attend higher education, regardless of their intended degree of study and how financially prudent it will ultimately be."
Let me bounce the ball back to you, give me empirical data showing the government deserves to be placed in charge of this system. Show me data that proves the public sector is more efficient, less open to pandering and manipulation than private sector, hell give me one example of the government being a good steward over money they TAKE versus private businesses which receive their money by CHOICE of each consumer. Should be easy for ya to find in one of those red covered manuals of approved narratives.
I can do that, and refute your made up point about public banking with the same example. The public bank of North Dakota was the only public bank in the US during the 08 crash. And they were also, in fact, one of the only banks not detrimentally effected by that crash, because they weren’t engaging in all the MBs and other financial gambling, fraud, and shenanigans that every single private bank was.
So, here we have a state, North Dakota, with a public bank, and they happen to be the only state that weathered the 08 collapse with no issues or negative impacts. No massive foreclosures, no bailout, etc.
Meanwhile in “private bank land” we have the largest fraud in world history, a massive bailout, people’s retirements crushed, millions of homes lost, and a world economic collapse.
Great choice of focus!
Govt 1
Private 0
originally posted by: Scepticaldem
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: pexx421
Well, let's see here...
Public banking is what got us into the 2008 Great Recession and what has lead us to $1.5 Trillion in outstanding student loan debt. Private banks actually means test people, public banking takes the position their political panderers demand they take, such as "everyone should be able to own a house" and "everyone should be able to attend higher education, regardless of their intended degree of study and how financially prudent it will ultimately be."
Let me bounce the ball back to you, give me empirical data showing the government deserves to be placed in charge of this system. Show me data that proves the public sector is more efficient, less open to pandering and manipulation than private sector, hell give me one example of the government being a good steward over money they TAKE versus private businesses which receive their money by CHOICE of each consumer. Should be easy for ya to find in one of those red covered manuals of approved narratives.
I can do that, and refute your made up point about public banking with the same example. The public bank of North Dakota was the only public bank in the US during the 08 crash. And they were also, in fact, one of the only banks not detrimentally effected by that crash, because they weren’t engaging in all the MBs and other financial gambling, fraud, and shenanigans that every single private bank was.
So, here we have a state, North Dakota, with a public bank, and they happen to be the only state that weathered the 08 collapse with no issues or negative impacts. No massive foreclosures, no bailout, etc.
Meanwhile in “private bank land” we have the largest fraud in world history, a massive bailout, people’s retirements crushed, millions of homes lost, and a world economic collapse.
Great choice of focus!
Govt 1
Private 0
Were they forced into lending people making $12 an hour $250,000 for a home with no cash down?
That's what Freddie and fanny, and Harry Reid forced all of the "private banks" into doing.
Cant discriminate on ability to repay a loan the crazy dems were saying in the early 2000s!!!!
Lolz🤪
originally posted by: Scepticaldem
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: pexx421
Well, let's see here...
Public banking is what got us into the 2008 Great Recession and what has lead us to $1.5 Trillion in outstanding student loan debt. Private banks actually means test people, public banking takes the position their political panderers demand they take, such as "everyone should be able to own a house" and "everyone should be able to attend higher education, regardless of their intended degree of study and how financially prudent it will ultimately be."
Let me bounce the ball back to you, give me empirical data showing the government deserves to be placed in charge of this system. Show me data that proves the public sector is more efficient, less open to pandering and manipulation than private sector, hell give me one example of the government being a good steward over money they TAKE versus private businesses which receive their money by CHOICE of each consumer. Should be easy for ya to find in one of those red covered manuals of approved narratives.
I can do that, and refute your made up point about public banking with the same example. The public bank of North Dakota was the only public bank in the US during the 08 crash. And they were also, in fact, one of the only banks not detrimentally effected by that crash, because they weren’t engaging in all the MBs and other financial gambling, fraud, and shenanigans that every single private bank was.
So, here we have a state, North Dakota, with a public bank, and they happen to be the only state that weathered the 08 collapse with no issues or negative impacts. No massive foreclosures, no bailout, etc.
Meanwhile in “private bank land” we have the largest fraud in world history, a massive bailout, people’s retirements crushed, millions of homes lost, and a world economic collapse.
Great choice of focus!
Govt 1
Private 0
Were they forced into lending people making $12 an hour $250,000 for a home with no cash down?
That's what Freddie and fanny, and Harry Reid forced all of the "private banks" into doing.
Cant discriminate on ability to repay a loan the crazy dems were saying in the early 2000s!!!!
Lolz🤪
originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
originally posted by: Scepticaldem
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: pexx421
Well, let's see here...
Public banking is what got us into the 2008 Great Recession and what has lead us to $1.5 Trillion in outstanding student loan debt. Private banks actually means test people, public banking takes the position their political panderers demand they take, such as "everyone should be able to own a house" and "everyone should be able to attend higher education, regardless of their intended degree of study and how financially prudent it will ultimately be."
Let me bounce the ball back to you, give me empirical data showing the government deserves to be placed in charge of this system. Show me data that proves the public sector is more efficient, less open to pandering and manipulation than private sector, hell give me one example of the government being a good steward over money they TAKE versus private businesses which receive their money by CHOICE of each consumer. Should be easy for ya to find in one of those red covered manuals of approved narratives.
I can do that, and refute your made up point about public banking with the same example. The public bank of North Dakota was the only public bank in the US during the 08 crash. And they were also, in fact, one of the only banks not detrimentally effected by that crash, because they weren’t engaging in all the MBs and other financial gambling, fraud, and shenanigans that every single private bank was.
So, here we have a state, North Dakota, with a public bank, and they happen to be the only state that weathered the 08 collapse with no issues or negative impacts. No massive foreclosures, no bailout, etc.
Meanwhile in “private bank land” we have the largest fraud in world history, a massive bailout, people’s retirements crushed, millions of homes lost, and a world economic collapse.
Great choice of focus!
Govt 1
Private 0
Were they forced into lending people making $12 an hour $250,000 for a home with no cash down?
That's what Freddie and fanny, and Harry Reid forced all of the "private banks" into doing.
Cant discriminate on ability to repay a loan the crazy dems were saying in the early 2000s!!!!
Lolz🤪
Obama could not really go after lenders. They were part of the problem but the bigger one were people lying on loan applications in the millions. They should have been prosecuted but it worked out for me. Stole a home worth 3X more than I paid. Nice home but if it crashes again I plan on doing another upgrade. Rent this one out and going get me a castle.
originally posted by: Riffrafter
originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Riffrafter
Not all of Bernie's positions and/or policies are that left leaning. Many are really good.
Like ?
Don't leave us all hanging in suspense like that...
(from a once Bernie supporter.)
Well it might help you see where I'm going if you know that I now tend to be a social democrat but a fiscal conservative.
With that said, a single payer medical insurance system makes *so* much sense.
The only ones against it are the very lucky ones that have great health plans and they're not paying an arm and a leg for it. And those creatures are becoming scarcer & scarcer.
That's one key reason.
Another is that he wants accountability from both politicians and corporations when they screw up.
Real accountability.
Like hit them where it hurts accountability. Jail if it's criminal, cash if it's civil.
I'm curious why you're no longer a supporter? Is it the whole socialist-leaning stuff? I have to admit, that gives me agita too, but I'll vote for the devil that tries to help others vs the devil that tries to enrich themselves or the already too rich.
My $0.02.
Your mileage may vary. Etc...
originally posted by: Gothmog
originally posted by: Riffrafter
originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Riffrafter
Not all of Bernie's positions and/or policies are that left leaning. Many are really good.
Like ?
Don't leave us all hanging in suspense like that...
(from a once Bernie supporter.)
Well it might help you see where I'm going if you know that I now tend to be a social democrat but a fiscal conservative.
With that said, a single payer medical insurance system makes *so* much sense.
The only ones against it are the very lucky ones that have great health plans and they're not paying an arm and a leg for it. And those creatures are becoming scarcer & scarcer.
That's one key reason.
Another is that he wants accountability from both politicians and corporations when they screw up.
Real accountability.
Like hit them where it hurts accountability. Jail if it's criminal, cash if it's civil.
I'm curious why you're no longer a supporter? Is it the whole socialist-leaning stuff? I have to admit, that gives me agita too, but I'll vote for the devil that tries to help others vs the devil that tries to enrich themselves or the already too rich.
My $0.02.
Your mileage may vary. Etc...
You do know all that is a scam , right ?
Bernie just wants more DNC money.
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: Gothmog
originally posted by: Riffrafter
originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Riffrafter
Not all of Bernie's positions and/or policies are that left leaning. Many are really good.
Like ?
Don't leave us all hanging in suspense like that...
(from a once Bernie supporter.)
Well it might help you see where I'm going if you know that I now tend to be a social democrat but a fiscal conservative.
With that said, a single payer medical insurance system makes *so* much sense.
The only ones against it are the very lucky ones that have great health plans and they're not paying an arm and a leg for it. And those creatures are becoming scarcer & scarcer.
That's one key reason.
Another is that he wants accountability from both politicians and corporations when they screw up.
Real accountability.
Like hit them where it hurts accountability. Jail if it's criminal, cash if it's civil.
I'm curious why you're no longer a supporter? Is it the whole socialist-leaning stuff? I have to admit, that gives me agita too, but I'll vote for the devil that tries to help others vs the devil that tries to enrich themselves or the already too rich.
My $0.02.
Your mileage may vary. Etc...
You do know all that is a scam , right ?
Bernie just wants more DNC money.
That’s just silly. Bernie wants more dnc money? What for? He’s already seen he can make more writing a book than serving in office.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: pexx421
The entire reason the banks were taking risks with OUR money and received bailouts was because the regulations DC had foisted on them, the "thou SHALT lend to" and "Thou shalt not require lenders have/do/will" codes actually made the banking crisis the direct fault of meddlesome Democrats and a ridiculously doe-eyed, off the rails GW Bush. To bottor money you should be required to demonstrate the ability, willingness, and determination to repay it, PERIOD. If you can't display those qualities, perhaps home ownership, higher education, or life itself is not for you.
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: Gothmog
originally posted by: Riffrafter
originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Riffrafter
Not all of Bernie's positions and/or policies are that left leaning. Many are really good.
Like ?
Don't leave us all hanging in suspense like that...
(from a once Bernie supporter.)
Well it might help you see where I'm going if you know that I now tend to be a social democrat but a fiscal conservative.
With that said, a single payer medical insurance system makes *so* much sense.
The only ones against it are the very lucky ones that have great health plans and they're not paying an arm and a leg for it. And those creatures are becoming scarcer & scarcer.
That's one key reason.
Another is that he wants accountability from both politicians and corporations when they screw up.
Real accountability.
Like hit them where it hurts accountability. Jail if it's criminal, cash if it's civil.
I'm curious why you're no longer a supporter? Is it the whole socialist-leaning stuff? I have to admit, that gives me agita too, but I'll vote for the devil that tries to help others vs the devil that tries to enrich themselves or the already too rich.
My $0.02.
Your mileage may vary. Etc...
You do know all that is a scam , right ?
Bernie just wants more DNC money.
That’s just silly. Bernie wants more dnc money? What for? He’s already seen he can make more writing a book than serving in office.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: Gothmog
originally posted by: Riffrafter
originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Riffrafter
Not all of Bernie's positions and/or policies are that left leaning. Many are really good.
Like ?
Don't leave us all hanging in suspense like that...
(from a once Bernie supporter.)
Well it might help you see where I'm going if you know that I now tend to be a social democrat but a fiscal conservative.
With that said, a single payer medical insurance system makes *so* much sense.
The only ones against it are the very lucky ones that have great health plans and they're not paying an arm and a leg for it. And those creatures are becoming scarcer & scarcer.
That's one key reason.
Another is that he wants accountability from both politicians and corporations when they screw up.
Real accountability.
Like hit them where it hurts accountability. Jail if it's criminal, cash if it's civil.
I'm curious why you're no longer a supporter? Is it the whole socialist-leaning stuff? I have to admit, that gives me agita too, but I'll vote for the devil that tries to help others vs the devil that tries to enrich themselves or the already too rich.
My $0.02.
Your mileage may vary. Etc...
You do know all that is a scam , right ?
Bernie just wants more DNC money.
That’s just silly. Bernie wants more dnc money? What for? He’s already seen he can make more writing a book than serving in office.
He made most of his money selling his supporters to Hillary Clinton in 2016.