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Not all of Bernie's positions and/or policies are that left leaning. Many are really good.
don't agree with Bernie at all. A democratic Socialist, whatever that is, just won't be where I hang my hopes for the future.
originally posted by: drewlander
Hillary Clinton will run as vp.
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: IAMTAT
The guy just had a heart attack.
His voters apparently see that as no big deal.
It's a big deal.
We had dick Cheney for de facto president right after he had a heart attack.
originally posted by: IAMTAT
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: IAMTAT
The guy just had a heart attack.
His voters apparently see that as no big deal.
It's a big deal.
We had dick Cheney for de facto president right after he had a heart attack.
Who voted for Dick Cheney?
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: JBIZZ
I don't support Bernie but I have my finances organized to benefit from an economic downturn with Bernie as president. I believe Bernie being nominated will cause gold to go up by at least 25%. There's no limit to the price of gold going up with Bernie as president. If I'm taxed too much under socialist policies I'll just stop working & stop paying taxes. What Bernie's supporters don't understand is that to get Medicare for all everyone's income will be taxed by at least 50%. To get free college education & student loan debt forgiveness, people will be taxed even more & to get a Green New Deal people will be taxed even more. Under Medicare for all individual healthcare will cost 75% more through taxes. Estimates are that Medicare for all will cost 52 trillion over the next decade. We're already near 24 trillion in debt. If one devides that combined number by the number of people in the U.S. (320 million) divided by 10 years, it comes out to $23,750 per person per year for Medicare for all. The more people are taxed, the less money they have to spend in the free market, which will cause the free market to collapse & people to lose jobs & businesses. Every American benefits with Trump as president. Only people with assets & who don't work will benefit with Bernie as president.
Actually, medical costs with our current system are projected to be right around that amount. So I guess the real question is, do we want a system at that cost that, like now, we still have to cover uncovered costs in, where people ration which care they can afford personally, and still suffer bankruptcies from, with outrageous drug costs and people still unable to afford their insulin, epi pens etc?
Or do we want to pay that amount and have all our needs and expenses covered? No bankruptcies? People having real healthcare instead of “access” to healthcare.
originally posted by: JBIZZ
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: JBIZZ
I don't support Bernie but I have my finances organized to benefit from an economic downturn with Bernie as president. I believe Bernie being nominated will cause gold to go up by at least 25%. There's no limit to the price of gold going up with Bernie as president. If I'm taxed too much under socialist policies I'll just stop working & stop paying taxes. What Bernie's supporters don't understand is that to get Medicare for all everyone's income will be taxed by at least 50%. To get free college education & student loan debt forgiveness, people will be taxed even more & to get a Green New Deal people will be taxed even more. Under Medicare for all individual healthcare will cost 75% more through taxes. Estimates are that Medicare for all will cost 52 trillion over the next decade. We're already near 24 trillion in debt. If one devides that combined number by the number of people in the U.S. (320 million) divided by 10 years, it comes out to $23,750 per person per year for Medicare for all. The more people are taxed, the less money they have to spend in the free market, which will cause the free market to collapse & people to lose jobs & businesses. Every American benefits with Trump as president. Only people with assets & who don't work will benefit with Bernie as president.
Actually, medical costs with our current system are projected to be right around that amount. So I guess the real question is, do we want a system at that cost that, like now, we still have to cover uncovered costs in, where people ration which care they can afford personally, and still suffer bankruptcies from, with outrageous drug costs and people still unable to afford their insulin, epi pens etc?
Or do we want to pay that amount and have all our needs and expenses covered? No bankruptcies? People having real healthcare instead of “access” to healthcare.
That means Bernie's plan will cost even more & we'll be taxed even more. If we're going to continue to go the socialist route, which we've been on since 1913, we need a UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare programs. For the same cost as all current federal social/welfare programs, each U.S. citizen who is over 18 years old & who doesn't receive a pension can receive a UBI of @ $1700 per month, regardless if they have a job or not. That's how much money is being wasted on current federal social/welfare programs. people can use their UBI money in the free market on basic needs like health insurance, food, housing & higher education. The minimum wage & student loans can also be eliminated with a UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare programs. Criteria can be established like a requirement to have health insurance to receive consecutive years UBI. A UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare programs can be implemented without raising taxes or touching military spending. A UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare programs can make the federal government physically smaller while embracing free market capitalism simultaneously.
You realize Cheney was the Palpatine to Bush?
originally posted by: IAMTAT
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: IAMTAT
The guy just had a heart attack.
His voters apparently see that as no big deal.
It's a big deal.
We had dick Cheney for de facto president right after he had a heart attack.
Who voted for Dick Cheney?