The Bernie situation

a reply to: Riffrafter

Not all of Bernie's positions and/or policies are that left leaning. Many are really good.

Like ?
Don't leave us all hanging in suspense like that...

(from a once Bernie supporter.)

a reply to: network dude

They are going to screw him over. Biden will get the nomination via a brokered comvention. Podesta was already appointed to dnc to make sure of it. Hillary Clinton will run as vp. Biden will either drop out or die in office, effectively making Hillary president. At the very least Biden would not run for two terms. The guy is literally 7 years older than any president was ever elected for a first term.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
The guy just had a heart attack.
His voters apparently see that as no big deal.

It's a big deal.

We had dick Cheney for de facto president right after he had a heart attack.

a reply to: network dude

don't agree with Bernie at all. A democratic Socialist, whatever that is, just won't be where I hang my hopes for the future.

A democratic socialist is an idiot that thinks they get a say in how things are ran.

It's infinitely worse than the current system.

originally posted by: drewlander
Hillary Clinton will run as vp.

No she won't. Everyone on the campaign trail realizes her toxic nature to a potential successful party ticket.

I'm pulling for Bernie. I want to see this superdelegate bomb blow up in his face and his supporters again. They were told in court the DNC can do whatever they want. Don't like it create your own party.

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: IAMTAT
The guy just had a heart attack.
His voters apparently see that as no big deal.

It's a big deal.

We had dick Cheney for de facto president right after he had a heart attack.

Who voted for Dick Cheney?

a reply to: IAMTAT

No joke, at his age a heart attack is no joke and he wants to sit in the seat for one of the most stressful jobs on the planet.

Pay very close attention to who he chooses as VP, cause I would say odds are good that's who will be in charge before 4 years are up. (assuming he gets the nod and wins obviously)

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: IAMTAT
The guy just had a heart attack.
His voters apparently see that as no big deal.

It's a big deal.

We had dick Cheney for de facto president right after he had a heart attack.

Who voted for Dick Cheney?

Every idiot who thought they were voting for bush, apparently.

Well the title alone put me in mind of Pulp Fiction; the segment titled The Bonnie Situation. But rather than talking about a sign out front or the gourmetness of the coffee...I’ll just call upon The Wolf...

Superdelegates.

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: JBIZZ
I don't support Bernie but I have my finances organized to benefit from an economic downturn with Bernie as president. I believe Bernie being nominated will cause gold to go up by at least 25%. There's no limit to the price of gold going up with Bernie as president. If I'm taxed too much under socialist policies I'll just stop working & stop paying taxes. What Bernie's supporters don't understand is that to get Medicare for all everyone's income will be taxed by at least 50%. To get free college education & student loan debt forgiveness, people will be taxed even more & to get a Green New Deal people will be taxed even more. Under Medicare for all individual healthcare will cost 75% more through taxes. Estimates are that Medicare for all will cost 52 trillion over the next decade. We're already near 24 trillion in debt. If one devides that combined number by the number of people in the U.S. (320 million) divided by 10 years, it comes out to $23,750 per person per year for Medicare for all. The more people are taxed, the less money they have to spend in the free market, which will cause the free market to collapse & people to lose jobs & businesses. Every American benefits with Trump as president. Only people with assets & who don't work will benefit with Bernie as president.

Actually, medical costs with our current system are projected to be right around that amount. So I guess the real question is, do we want a system at that cost that, like now, we still have to cover uncovered costs in, where people ration which care they can afford personally, and still suffer bankruptcies from, with outrageous drug costs and people still unable to afford their insulin, epi pens etc?

Or do we want to pay that amount and have all our needs and expenses covered? No bankruptcies? People having real healthcare instead of “access” to healthcare.

That just means Bernie's plan will cost even more & we'll be taxed even more than 50% of our income. If we're going to continue to go the socialist route, which we've been on since 1913, we need a UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare programs. For the same cost as all current federal social/welfare programs, each U.S. citizen who is over 18 years old & who doesn't receive a pension can receive a UBI of @ $1700 per month, regardless if they have a job or not. That's how much money is being wasted on current federal social/welfare programs. people can use their UBI money in the free market on basic needs like health insurance, food, housing & higher education. The minimum wage & student loans can also be eliminated with a UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare programs. Criteria can be established like a requirement to have health insurance to receive consecutive years UBI. A UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare programs can be implemented without raising taxes or touching military spending. A UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare programs can make the federal government physically smaller while embracing free market capitalism simultaneously.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

From your lips to God's ears.

originally posted by: JBIZZ

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: JBIZZ
I don't support Bernie but I have my finances organized to benefit from an economic downturn with Bernie as president. I believe Bernie being nominated will cause gold to go up by at least 25%. There's no limit to the price of gold going up with Bernie as president. If I'm taxed too much under socialist policies I'll just stop working & stop paying taxes. What Bernie's supporters don't understand is that to get Medicare for all everyone's income will be taxed by at least 50%. To get free college education & student loan debt forgiveness, people will be taxed even more & to get a Green New Deal people will be taxed even more. Under Medicare for all individual healthcare will cost 75% more through taxes. Estimates are that Medicare for all will cost 52 trillion over the next decade. We're already near 24 trillion in debt. If one devides that combined number by the number of people in the U.S. (320 million) divided by 10 years, it comes out to $23,750 per person per year for Medicare for all. The more people are taxed, the less money they have to spend in the free market, which will cause the free market to collapse & people to lose jobs & businesses. Every American benefits with Trump as president. Only people with assets & who don't work will benefit with Bernie as president.

Actually, medical costs with our current system are projected to be right around that amount. So I guess the real question is, do we want a system at that cost that, like now, we still have to cover uncovered costs in, where people ration which care they can afford personally, and still suffer bankruptcies from, with outrageous drug costs and people still unable to afford their insulin, epi pens etc?

Or do we want to pay that amount and have all our needs and expenses covered? No bankruptcies? People having real healthcare instead of “access” to healthcare.

That means Bernie's plan will cost even more & we'll be taxed even more. If we're going to continue to go the socialist route, which we've been on since 1913, we need a UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare programs. For the same cost as all current federal social/welfare programs, each U.S. citizen who is over 18 years old & who doesn't receive a pension can receive a UBI of @ $1700 per month, regardless if they have a job or not. That's how much money is being wasted on current federal social/welfare programs. people can use their UBI money in the free market on basic needs like health insurance, food, housing & higher education. The minimum wage & student loans can also be eliminated with a UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare programs. Criteria can be established like a requirement to have health insurance to receive consecutive years UBI. A UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare programs can be implemented without raising taxes or touching military spending. A UBI which replaces all current federal social/welfare programs can make the federal government physically smaller while embracing free market capitalism simultaneously.

I understand that we will need to move to Ubi shortly. Automation and ai will force it when it takes over large swathes of jobs and productivity in the near future.

But in the meantime, the numbers game is what they use to confuse politics and voting. They don’t balk on spending or have realistic numbers when it supports their agenda. Just like they obfuscate numbers when they’re trying to influence people against voting for Bernie. He said a 6% tax on workers to pay for the health plan. That’s far less than I pay now, for a far greater return. It’s a better product for a cheaper price.

I’m a very informed and studious shopper. I vet my purchases with lots of research, to choose the best product, and then I find the best price for it. And that’s what I’m doing with Bernie. Right now we have a massively expensive product, the most expensive in the world, for healthcare and education. And both are substandard statistically.

If he moves forward on it and it works out, great! If not, I’m sure there will be many recommendations on how to improve it. But in the meantime we’ve been living in a system where both just keep getting worse and worse, that’s bankrupting our people, hamstringing our economy and manufacturing, and we are told “this is the best system” by the pr, think tanks, and those trying to keep selling us this system. Time for a new vendor. If that one doesn’t work, you try another. That’s how life, and “the market” works.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: IAMTAT
The guy just had a heart attack.
His voters apparently see that as no big deal.

It's a big deal.

We had dick Cheney for de facto president right after he had a heart attack.

Who voted for Dick Cheney?

You realize Cheney was the Palpatine to Bush?

a reply to: pexx421

That's' it in a nutshell. Capitalism isn't the problem. AAA Craptapitalism is the problem and it is nothing more than the brand we have supported blindly for more than 70 years. We can modify it to better serve each other and ourselves without tossing out the idea that goods and services change hands according to (actual) supply and demand.

Screw UBI. I want the pensions I earned and UBI. Not one or the other. I should not get punished for working hard and being forced to contribute to social security at gun point my whole life then have it stolen. No. It is an effrontery to people like myself. I earned social security, my pensions and the money I built in my retirement accounts. It is not my responsibility to take care of able bodied people who make poor life choices then make demands on society to fix all those mistakes. Willing to bet these people are some of the same ones that laughed at me for serving 20 years in the military.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Proof that Boomers truly deserve the Me Generation title. You think Gen X and Millennials haven't also paid into Social Security? Most of us will see absolutely none of the money we put in to the system due to the terrible financial moves made by the Boomers.

Exactly, i actually enjoy watching the far lefts heads explode. Thing is, Congress has lost its effectiveness and any credibility it MIGHT have had which means yet again, very little meaningful legislation gets passed.

As far as Bernie goes....aint no way any of his policies could pass unless he has a majority in both houses. Luckily, i dknt think we will have to ever find out!


a reply to: Irishhaf

I make too much money I'm going to vote for Bernie!!!

Said no one ever!!

The far left has riled the far right and moderates have to pick a side for fear of giving ground to whatever "side" one ID'S with. I find myself tuning out even moderate leftists, even though I can get behind lots of environmental issues.....those of cleaning up the planet and stopping waste/plastic usage for example.

Hell am a carnivore, but have cut back a lot...not because i am a lefty tree hugger, but because we are going the way of Easter Island on a massive scale. The amount of land it takes to sustain beef herds is astonishing.

BUT, one gets castigated by both sides when one only would like to find a common solution.



a reply to: Justoneman