The Bernie situation

The dems don’t have a front runner. Iowa proved that clearly. Sounds like your candidate, Bernie pretty much didn’t quite make it to the finish line with the marks he was looking for.

Bernie has been a political insider for what 35 years? To argue he ISNT a corporate politician is to ignore all politics ever.

Bernie simply is bashing against “the establishment”. There’s always a place for a voice of dissent, question is that place at the top of US politics? Doubtful.

Bernie, the aged, white male career politician is not the face of the modern Democratic Party. He sure has influenced and I can only think his real aim is to impact the positions of his other dems in the field still.

Pete, Lying Liz Or maybe some Voodoo magic will most likely claim 2020 dem presidential candidate. IMO

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Why do I struggle with this? I’m in a major metro area. Govt has OKd only certain providers in certain areas, who then divide up regions between themselves. Gaming the system to charge us more for less quality service and have a non-compete with eachother. Defeating the point of private business. Government influence in business provides the opportunity for corrupt acts. Which someone will always take advantage of.


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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

And finishing now I want you to know that you have haunted me now for hours. Your earlier comment ''Watch closely in the near future.'' keeps ringing in my head over these Iowa ferkups.

Different kinda Bernie Situation Buttif*ck right there, eh?



My spider senses are tingling. Let's just say the "Communist" didn't come out first, right...

a reply to: network dude

Bernie will guarantee a Trump victory, just as Hillary did. The democratic party is Trumps biggest ally, in that they continue to run un electable candidates.

originally posted by: openminded2011
a reply to: network dude

Bernie will guarantee a Trump victory, just as Hillary did. The democratic party is Trumps biggest ally, in that they continue to run un electable candidates.

Maybe - maybe not.

But it will be a battle of *ideas*.

The way it was always supposed to be.

I, for one, greatly look forward to the debates - both between the candidates, and among the voters themselves as to which way we want our country to go.

That's democracy at it's finest.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

I am not willing to believe that the iron grip of the DNC has a hold on the state leaders in the Democrat Party enough to pull this as a shenanigan, rather, their ineptitude seems more likely.

I have always liked the way the Iowa caucus were portrayed to the rest of us. Neighbors caucusing and discussing and finding the best among them as groups. That always seemed to me a good thing instead of how the rest of our election are carried out, all individuals just going to a box and voting.

But I have also always wonder how the rest of us, be we Dem or Rep, allowed the voters of such a small state dictate the trends of national voting. I suppose I can understand why the Reps have, it being a red state so that whoever their preference it was assured to be a conservative choice. But the Dems, who I suppose would not want such a conservative trend have just sat back for decades and let it go on.

I mean, caucuses can be held apart from established state primaries can't they? Why have not some of our major cities which are more liberal strongholds held their own caucuses. Organized them and publicized them to the degree that they could have taken on the ''trend setting'' power that has always been left in the hands of Iowans.

I think Bernie is as authentic as anyone I have seen in the political arena. yes, he capitalized on the insider trading that apparently is legal when you are a full time politician, but they all seem to do that. I believe he is a communist, who must use the socialism tag as to not upset the apple cart too much. And he probably honestly believes his ideas are what's best. Most of the US, I hope understands why a socialist/communist system would never work here, but the votes will tell that story better than anyone guessing.

The fact that socialism can appear attractive while Venezuela being a real time example is actively imploding as we speak, frightens me a bit. It's the younger crowd who's buying what Bernie is selling, and they haven't dried off behind the ears yet, so they really have no idea what the ramifications to their actions might be.

Today we have a republic.....if we can keep it.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I am not willing to believe that the iron grip of the DNC has a hold on the state leaders in the Democrat Party enough to pull this as a shenanigan, rather, their ineptitude seems more likely.

Point taken. I was thinking about something smaller, less coordinated and more akin to the usual corruption and all those funny deals people tend to make. Campaign funds and business, ya know.
However, this one is more on the MSM and definitely part of a bigger strategy...

On closer examination, it turns out that that is not a bar chart, but merely the New York Times’ indication that Buttigieg is in the lead, with (at this writing) approximately 75% of the precincts reporting. But leading at what? Not in number of votes received, either in the first or the final round of the caucuses—the candidate leading in both of those categories was Sen. Bernie Sanders, who had a 2.8 and 0.6 percentage point lead, respectively, over Buttigieg. No, the chart says “Total SDEs,” and a footnote helpfully explains that these are “state delegate equivalents, which are derived from caucus vote tallies and determine the number of pledged delegates each candidate receives.”

How Corporate Media Make Pete Look Like He’s Winning

Kinda funny that I didn't see a thread on this in the woke parts of the pit. Who cares about Lefties and their problem with censorship in the MSM anyway. That's sooo ... I dunno... Summer of 69?

a reply to: PublicOpinion

The delegates are chosen by the precinct then go to a later caucus, the county convention, to choose delegates to the district convention and state convention. Most of the delegates to the Democratic National Convention are selected at the district convention, with the remaining ones selected at the state convention. Delegates to each level of convention are initially bound to support their chosen candidate but can later switch in a process very similar to what occurs at the precinct level; however, as major shifts in delegate support are rare, the media declares the candidate with the most delegates on the precinct caucus night the winner and relatively little attention is paid to the later caucuses.

I wonder if Iowa has a shut off point to decision making on the part of these delegates. In other primaries people make their votes until X PM and the doors are shut. Finuto. But as Iowa was messed up at the time they were supposed to have it wrapped up I wonder at what was going on with the delegates. That quote above from WIKI suggests that there might have been major shifts in delegate support away from the simple vote totals that was going on as they tried to figure out what the real count was. I dunno.

Also did you catch the other news surfacing about Republican activists flooding the call in phone lines creating the havoc the reporting system was experiencing?

thehill.com...

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Interesting. Thanks for sharing!

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

It's mostly tradition and ritual at this point. Little towns with five people that always vote at midnight, etc.

Humans love their little traditions and rituals more than anything else. I know I do.

I think Bernie still has 1,835 delegates to go, yet MSM/DNC are already scared he will be the nominee.

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Yup. Make the bed and coffee first thing in the morning.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I have three dogs. I do prioritize good coffee though.

EDIT: I know that Bernie prioritizes coffee. He's like an energizer bunny right now. I didn't have a heart attack and I'm exhausted just from watching him right now.

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You know, Trump and I are the same age and as much as I do not like him, I have to admit that I admire his stamina.