I hate healthcare with all my might out pocket expenses are killing me

a reply to: dawnstar
Lol
Unconstitutional?
Wow
What a leap
If it is so unfair dont use it

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

To general, and certainly not in London. It's as expensive, if not more so, than New York.

Not in any way you can think of is London representative of the UK.
It is an entity all of itself.

Just as I'm sure New York is not representative of the USA.

I think the point is that GP's over here are relatively well paid and their earning capacity is vastly increased by the amount of work they choose to do outside of their GP duties.

Sure they could probably earn more working elsewhere, but they choose not to.
I can only hazard a guess why that is.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to use it eventually since we all are gonna need a doctor to proclaim us dead?
But, continue on.. dont let the fact that those who are complaining now about the cost of their needed healthcare being unaffordable were probably making less money when I first tried to explain what I saw going on and were making out fine and maybe even blaming my "life choices" themselves back then. Just keep blaming the "life choices" and Obamacare, dont matter to me!
And, while we are talking about obamacare.. just how constitutional was it for them to try to force people to buy health insurance they couldn't afford... health insurance that would not help them in the least bit because they would never be able to meet the high deductible those policies came with? Forcing them to shell out money that might have better served them if used to pay their high rent, or keep their electricity on, or heck, buy the danged insulin they needed to stay alive?
They taxed the heck out of us, to build the best healthcare system in the world. Even used that tax money to supply it with patients they felt were "deserving". And, when that wasn't enough they thought it would be a good idea to force us into useless healthcare plans that only served to increase the pot of gold for others to draw from when they were sick or hurt. The best healthcare system in the world, unaffordable to many who foot the bill to keep it running.
Most research and development in the healthcare field depends on federal Grant's. Hospitals and clinics often expand and gain new equipment with the help of govt Grant's. Doctors and nurses are trained relying on federal Grant's and govt backed loans... medicaid, child health plus will always be there to ensure there is a profit to be made, a customer base big enough to justify feeding the monster that we've created. And, oh yes, since we have this great healthcare system no one can afford independently, the government, the health insurance companies, your danged employer all should be able to have a say over what you do, your diet, and control any bad habits you may enjoy.
Na, ain't nothing unfair, unconstitutional here!!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: PaddyInf
You can live a very comfortable life in the UK for £130'000 pa. As has been said, doctors typically do private work out of hours and make good money for this on top of NHS wages.

To general, and certainly not in London. It's as expensive, if not more so, than New York.

Wages and cost of living vary across the UK. NHS staff receive London allowance and many don't live there - they commute daily. Over 90% of the UK population live outside the London area. London is ridiculously expensive compared to the rest of the UK and is not a fair representation.

You can always look at specific examples which are outside the norm, however in general terms £130'000 is a good wage, especially if you are doing a bit of private work on top. A pre tax income of £120'000 puts you in the top 1% of earners in the UK.

My father, a respected Emergency Room MD and toxicologist in Texas.....he didn't get paid that much more than 100K and he worked for a University based hospital...basically for the State of Texas. Had my father become a surgeon....well, THOSE guys make a lot of money in the US......anesthesiologists make OBSCENE amounts of money....it's ALL about the specialty and where your practice is located!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Hecate666
Our GP's salary here in the couyntrysde is £85K a year. In London it's over £100K, any more and it will be greed.

Pretty pathetic salary for a doctor.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I recently had a TIA, or mini stroke. All the copays for visiting multiple doctors and specialists eats up your money very fast, expecially if you are on medical leave, short term disability pays only 60 percent of your base pay, and you have to pay your insurance out of THAT. not much left. So add the stress of that to the stress of an illness and its a real mess. We live in such a bubble, everything is fine until something happens and you cant work and then the bottom drops out. We really DO need better healthcare infrastructure in the country. Instead of going on a witch hunt against Trump, the Dems should be doubling down on improving hour health insurance options in an affordable way. Of course they wont, keeping the borders open and transgender rights are far more important.

a reply to: PaddyInf

You keep quoting the high end, the low end is 70k which is sad for a doctor.

originally posted by: Creep Thumper

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: cognizant420

Have you tried to get off the company insurance and try the aca?

I'm sorry, but this is a stupid post. Drop health insurance through employment to get sh*t insurance on the public tit?

Where the hell do you live?

What is stupid, is if you didn't look into it. ACA policies are through the major insurance companies and there is a good chance your current doctor is part of a plan. ACA plans are not sh** insurance, they are basically the same as what is available through employers. The ignorance surrounding healthcare and the ACA is staggering. Many of you folks could be doing better for yourselves, all you have to do is spend a few minutes checking.

a reply to: dawnstar

Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to use it eventually since we all are gonna need a doctor to proclaim us dead?

so uh....depending where you die at it would be a coroner, who may not be a doctor at all, who "proclaim us dead?"
sorry not sorry to interrupt your rant
yes we all know obamacare sucks and worsened our healthcare system(thanks nancy and house dems for that)
yes we all know the house attempted to repeal that crap and was foiled by turncoat john mccain at the very last minute

you have yet to demonstrate how an entire system is "unconstitutional", imo a ridiculous claim
or how it is "unfair" when ANYONE can walk into an er and be treated even with no ability to make payment for such

does it need to be fixed, yes it does
is it the bogeyman you attempt to make it out to be, no it is not

a reply to: sligtlyskeptical

Not according to a relative who applied.

And there's nothing affordable about it. Her premium would have been $300+ per month.

When you're already poor that kind of money is needed for other necessities like food, utilities, and rent.

I'm not the one lacking facts.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Emergency treatment available for a broken ankle.
Xray to validate two broken bones...
Temporary splint placed on.
If you are lucky, they might offer you some kind of pain med. I eventually asked for it when it became obvious they weren't gonna offer.
A referral to a surgeon... the one they referred me to demanded a pretty hefty down payment before he would set the ankle. Broken bones need to be set in a timely manner or the bones start to break down. By the time I actually found a work around for the down payment issue which I am sorry but how many of yous have a few thousand dollars laying around to spare, the bone deterioration had already begun. And of course we got a really nice hefty bill for the er visit along with a real negative attitude when it came to our healthcare system.

This all happened before Obamacare. What I found so hilariously funny was when a friend, who knew all of this, plus much more recently needed her hand operated on because of corpal tunnel or something similar. She was on facebook complaining about the $700-$800 down payment the surgeon was demanding.... and, of course, it was Obamacare's fault. Like she didnt know that this kind of crap was happening before Obamacare. It was, and she knew it was.
Obamacare has its problems but at least they acknowledged some of the problems and tried to address them. They didnt try to caste those who were being cut out of the system as just dip# idiots who made poorer
decisions in life than the multitude who's poor decisions through their lives put them in a position where they are virtually wards of the state. Which is what you seem to be doing. Which many have seemed to want to do through the years. That tactic only works if you want to consider that the biggest poor decision that I made in my life was that I didnt kick my husband out and put him through child support hell and tapped into those federal programs.
Then, I could have gotten that job training you mentioned.
Then, I could have gotten help with child care at least till I worked my way into a position where I was earning enough to pay for it.
Then, my kids and me could have gotten the healthcare we needed, when we needed it.. my son would have always had his $100+ a pop asthma medicine on hand.
Gee, then maybe, just maybe, I would still be working now, instead of disabled!!!
One of my neighbors years ago had a baby that was born with heart and lung defects. Her husband made too much money to get any assistance from the govt or any kind of charity reduced rate program from doctors or the hospital. And, the meds, the special equipment needed in the home, ect.. was insane in itself. And, the only advice social service could give was for him to remove himself from the household. So, well, off he went, leaving her and 5 or 6 kids in the care of the govt.
And, there is nothing wrong with a government that helps build a healthcare system that forces families to make this kind of "life choice"? A baby's life vs a marriage and daddy? Nope, nothing unconstitutional here!! Its much more important that the little girl across the street gets checked out for her runny nose every other month, that dad should have to pitch in and help ensure that girl is healthy while he ponders his choice between letting his baby die or moving away from his family..
Regardless of weather you think its unconstitutional, I would hope you would admit that if makes more sense to give that family the little bit of help that they need than to break the family up causing them now to have the additional expense of another household and accepting full responsibility of mom and 5 or 6 kids!! Or, in my case, providing the little bit of help needed to keep a productive working taxpayer working that to let her fall out of the workforce because of a disability. But hey, that little girl across the street, well i bet she got great healthcare, no runny nose went untreated!

Regardless of weather you think its unconstitutional

I did not make that ridiculous claim, you did; and have yet to demonstrate how.
As to the rest of your rant, it appears just that a rant about how other get things better than you and how angry you are about it, and how it is the governments and everyone elses responsibility to make it better for you.
One of my friends came up with an invention and made millions from it. That anecdote is as valid as any you have offered.
While not typical, nor is yours.
Sorry about your bad luck and troubles, but they are yours and yours alone.
Perhaps had that specific event happened differently your life may be different.

Making people work for free to provide you services is not the answer.
At least not in this nation.
Perhaps you would rather be canadian?

a reply to: shooterbrody

Who said anything about working for free?
Affordable healthcare doesnt require starving destitute healthcare providers. And, I would venture a guess that we could find a way to make healthcare more affordable, using less taxpayer money, and make it more rewarding to be a doctor or nurse.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: PaddyInf

You keep quoting the high end, the low end is 70k which is sad for a doctor.

The average is around £105k ( about $135-140k US) basic salary for a family GP. This does not include any private work, which usually adds a big lump on top. It's not uncommon for a GP to make half that again in a 40 hour week, so 150k ($200k US) is common. Surgeons and specialists make considerably more on private work. Most do 3/4 days NHS with 1-2 days private.

You simply can't compare US and UK wages as so many other factors are involved such as cost of living, tax rates, holidays etc (we have generous legally required paid holidays, minimum 28 paid leave days per year).

a reply to: dawnstar
the op

Healthcare is such a scam. It sucks so bad I just can't stand it. Hospital bill, surgeon's bill, anesthesiologists bill. Eff em all!!!!

cause you know bills suck and all

And, I would venture a guess that we could find a way to make healthcare more affordable, using less taxpayer money, and make it more rewarding to be a doctor or nurse.

you can thank john mccain for that
a fix was in the works till he showed his true colors

a reply to: PaddyInf

200k is more reasonable but still not what I expect a doctor to make.

a reply to: shooterbrody

No it wasnt...
There was no replace to follow the repeal...
There still isnt.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: shooterbrody

No it wasnt...
There was no replace to follow the repeal...
There still isnt.

oh I apoligize
please direct me to when the repeal was passed....
I will wait.....

I hate healthcare with all my might out pocket expenses are killing me

Get rid of medicare/medicaid and you'd be amazing how much lower those costs would go.

Adding over 100 million people back in to private insurance pools.

Nice!! Stay in that countrya reply to: dug88