Weaponised Corona Virus Released During Peak Travel Period?

a reply to: Bicent

I actually got swine flu... I broke a fever about six times in one afternoon, luckily I was young and healthy at the time, and I can tell you it was not a fun time.

The coronavirus is just another form of Coronaviridae. The harsh reality of life that a lot of people need to come to terms with in this situation is that stuff like this happens. Just take basic personal hygiene into consideration to prevent spread and infection.

a reply to: Nyiah

Nah I am keeping it logical, in my translation. Novel virus emerges, on the planet effecting homosapiens with what info we have to translate with about a 3% mortality rate, mostly in the elderly with just a newly reported young death, literally just reported within the hour. Pretty logical. I agree thou many will respond to this initially emotionally, and not take it seriously. I myself will actively monitor it and share info about it on ats. But ya it’s crazy right, dunno if I agree with you view on humanity as a whole thou.

Hope your right thou, hopefully it’s just a new cold and not a big deal, should know in about a week.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Bicent

I actually got swine flu... I broke a fever about six times in one afternoon, luckily I was young and healthy at the time, and I can tell you it was not a fun time.

The coronavirus is just another form of Coronaviridae. The harsh reality of life that a lot of people need to come to terms with in this situation is that stuff like this happens. Just take basic personal hygiene into consideration to prevent spread and infection.

Unless of course, this is some genetically engineered weaponised virus that was created in a lab.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: Metallicus
I don’t fear this virus. I realize I am supposed to, but it’s not my style. If it happens it happens.

In a study that was done shortly before the outbreak started it was surmised that if the virus was released to the public it could possibly kill 65 million worldwide. The 1918 Spanish flu killed 50 million.

Scared yet?

65 million out of almost 8 billion. What percentage does that work out to again?

Compare it to something like Coronary Artery Disease. Per 100k people, that one is some seriously scary numbers, yet nobody's screaming doomsday crap over it.

0.86 %

Show your work, young man.

Don't have to.
It is history.
And history is out there for everyone to read.
Start right here on ATS.

Sigh....by "show your work" I meant show each step of the mathematical computation you used to arrive at .86. It was a thing teachers would say.

I don't remember what blog I was reading (I don't think it was in here) were this type of subject was being discussed.

But a guy posted that he did some contract work for a government bio-lab in an urban area of one of our larger cities here in the states. He was an HVAC guy they hired to do some minor work at the facility.

While he was doing the repairs he noticed that the main blower fan in the ventilation system used for the bio containment area was installed backward and was blowing the containment air out on to the street, rather than bringing in the outside air. He told a number of people about the problem but no one wanted it fixed or worried about containment.

I've heard other stories about bio lab problems with containment. It's a wonder a pandemic hasn't already wiped us all out. Scary crap to think about, but we all got to die someday from something.

I was just reading some virologist's blog and they commented that this virus was scary in it's contagiousness.

It's a weird "coincidence" that the origin point has a bio weapon lab noted for problems.

Regardless of whether the lab is the origin or not, a major epidemic is only a matter of when, not if.

All signs point to "uh oh."

Thank the powers that we have calm, professional leadership in the first world...

uh-oh.

What coincidence that Wuhan has two Bio Warfare labs in Wuhan...

www.washingtontimes.com...

1720.. 1820.. 1920.. 2020?

originally posted by: MissSmartypants
Now, I'm not saying that's what happened....but....if I wanted to make and release an effective weaponised corona virus there are several things I would do to maximize its potential for casualties.
First of all, I would release it in the world's most populous nation. And I would release it during that nation's peak holiday travel period.

Sorry to dampen your doom porn, but this virus was reported last year. So rather than being released during peak travel season it was actually announced during peak flu season. So not much was made of it.

It's only just getting international attention.

originally posted by: ATSAlex
What coincidence that Wuhan has two Bio Warfare labs in Wuhan...

www.washingtontimes.com...

Hey, wasn't the town in England where that Russian nerve agent supposedly released also home to one of Europe's top biological warfare labs?

Coincidence?

To be honest, a while bunch or large Chinese cities have large labs similar to this. The cities give big companies favorable deals to set up branches.

originally posted by: AutomateThis1
1720.. 1820.. 1920.. 2020?

Yeah, sounds scary until you realize that in between 1920 and 2020 we had SARS, MERS, Swine Flu, Zica and Ebola.

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuckWhile he was doing the repairs he noticed that the main blower fan in the ventilation system used for the bio containment area was installed backward and was blowing the containment air out on to the street, rather than bringing in the outside air. He told a number of people about the problem but no one wanted it fixed or worried about containment.

Firstly, there would be multiple filters on that system so that regardless of which way the air went the air would have some level of cleaning as filters still filter if you use them backwards. Just not a well.

Secondly, ventilation systems like that are checked regularly (If only to stop them clogging up with dust and debris) and the filters are changed regularly. Usually by external companies brought in who specialize in ventilation systems (Because most labs don't maintain their own teams for this). They'd have noticed and corrected the problem.

Lastly, the filtration system would have shutters on it to prevent animals or rain from getting in. If the fan was backwards then it would be sucking on the shutters, thus closing them. Rather than blowing on them, thus opening them.

The scenario that you are suggesting is extremely unlikely. My opinion is that the story is probably fake.

Science at it's best, developing ever more lethal, despicable viruses all the time!

Hardly the evil some think it has become over the past century or so, now is it??!

originally posted by: BaddogmaIt's a weird "coincidence" that the origin point has a bio weapon lab noted for problems.

This is China, if the lab was to blame, expect the heads to be taken out and shot.

If nobody is shot, then it likely wasn't the cause.

China may deny that the lab was to blame, and say that the people were shot for a different reason, but they'd still have them shot.

originally posted by: turbonium1
Science at it's best, developing ever more lethal, despicable viruses all the time!

Hardly the evil some think it has become over the past century or so, now is it??!

Yeah, but China was the victim of biological warefare under the Japanese. So it's got a big culture against using it. China's view is that biological weapons are something that foreign aggressors use.

China doesn't generally go in for this kind of warefare, it's too unpredictable, and China lacks the delivery systems.

Besides, who would China use biological weapons on. All of it's potential enemies are neighboring countries where biological warfare would b dangerous. And China hasn't shown any hints of being aggressive against the US on US soil as it's always maintained that the US is the aggressor, and a strike on US territory would lose it the moral high ground (Which is very important in Chinese culture).

They'll reward them handsomely, if anything!

It's not for curing viruses, it's to develop new, deadlier ones, my friend. Sad, but true.

originally posted by: turbonium1
They'll reward them handsomely, if anything!

It's not for curing viruses, it's to develop new, deadlier ones, my friend. Sad, but true.

Why would China start by unleashing the virus on it's own population?

Wouldn't it make more sense to release it in a neighboring country such as Japan from where it would spread further and faster due to air travel?

If China were going to use the virus on it's own people wouldn't it make sense to use it somewhere like Tibet or Xinjiang where the populations are isolated, have poor medical facilities, and are already being persecuted for not towing the party line.

Releasing a virus where it is would be like Donald Trump blowing up one of his own hotels to prove how good US drones were.

Why would they ever want that?

Viruses are made to create mass fear around the world, and these cities work well for creating a mass panic and fear, obviously.

An isolated area does NOT create mass havoc and fear, and that's why they don't go to such areas.


Simple as that.

Is it a weaponized strain? No. Entirely wrong characteristics, wrong location, delivery system too basic.

The Chinese are not known for their health and safety policies and practices. In fact, health and safety is pretty much ignored if it gets in the way of conducting business. I can quite well accept the official narrative. A wet, multi-animal market with no real separations of meats, selling meats of animals just caught and not screened for anything, can aid cross-contamination of viruses in meats.

The issue here isn't contaminated meats, however, it is the transmission of the virus from one human to another via air. This virus is airborne, so if a passenger on a bus coughs, the particles are going to spread throughout the enclosed area of the bus and be breathed in by all passengers, aiding fast transmission of the virus.

We are not seeing (yet) this kind of speed of transmission. For a country as populous as China, a thousand or so infected is quite small, and the virus is not absorbed through the skin, so unless you come into contact with an infected person, and breathe the air they expel, you are not going to get it. Surgical masks will aid protection, but they do not cover the eyes, a location where a virus can enter the body.

I would say that the air needs to be damp for the virus to survive long enough to be transmitted. It will still be transmitted in fluids rubbed away from the nose, or coughs into the hand and then deposited on door handles, etc, in droplets of fluid.

During viral pandemics, it is best to steer clear of people as best you can.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuckWhile he was doing the repairs he noticed that the main blower fan in the ventilation system used for the bio containment area was installed backward and was blowing the containment air out on to the street, rather than bringing in the outside air. He told a number of people about the problem but no one wanted it fixed or worried about containment.

Firstly, there would be multiple filters on that system so that regardless of which way the air went the air would have some level of cleaning as filters still filter if you use them backwards. Just not a well.

Secondly, ventilation systems like that are checked regularly (If only to stop them clogging up with dust and debris) and the filters are changed regularly. Usually by external companies brought in who specialize in ventilation systems (Because most labs don't maintain their own teams for this). They'd have noticed and corrected the problem.

Lastly, the filtration system would have shutters on it to prevent animals or rain from getting in. If the fan was backwards then it would be sucking on the shutters, thus closing them. Rather than blowing on them, thus opening them.

The scenario that you are suggesting is extremely unlikely. My opinion is that the story is probably fake.

Ah, you make some excellent points, bravo. Good to put that story to rest, thanks.