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Democrats Feeling the Bern!

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posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 12:37 PM
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Strange goings-on at the DNC...

What caught my eye was two things: HIllary Clinton bashing Bernie Sanders, seemingly (to me anyway) out of the blue. Then Bernie Sanders takes the lead in polls of the 2020 DNC Presidential Candidate. Yes, you hear that right... Bernie is ahead of Biden!

A CNN-SSRS poll released Wednesday morning found a new national frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), though his lead over former Vice President Joe Biden is within the poll's margin of error, "meaning there is no clear leader in this poll," CNN says. Sanders, with 27 percent support among registered voters who are Democrats or Democratic-leaning, and Biden, polling at 24 percent, are now in a category of their own, though, and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) has fallen to a distant third at 14 percent.

"For the first time in the entirety of this campaign, in CNN's national polling, Joe Biden doesn't have the lead position all to himself," CNN political director David Chalian said on Wednesday's New Day. Sanders jumped 7 percentage points since December by eating into Biden's support among nonwhite voters and Warren's support among liberal Democrats.

Now a couple of things about this poll (which I linked to for those who like playing in the statistics)... first, it is CNN, so it's not some sort of Republican wet dream. Second, the spread is (barely) within the margin of error. But that brings up an even greater question: if the spread is within the margin of error, why make such a big deal about it? I've been seeing this story on every news site I look at!

Then Hillary Clinton raised her ugly mug, apparently (I don't read demonic works of fiction) bashing Sanders in her newest "tell-all" (translation: "Why I Should Be President"). Hmmm... coincidence? I'm sorry, while coincidences do sometimes exist, not to this degree. Not buying coincidence, sorry. Someone in the DNC does not want Bernie to become their candidate.

Now, that could be, I suppose, because Bernie has eliminated the support frorm much of his original base by cow-towing to Clinton after the DNC stole the nomination from him back in 2016. Maybe he can't win... but then, look at his opponent for the top spot: Joe Biden, he of the hair-sniffing, little-girl-touching, can't-tell-a-story-without-making-it-up, forgets-where-is, chews-out-potential-voters Hall of Fame. Does anyone really think "creepy, sleepy, quid pro Joe" has as much chance as a snowball in a Death Valley heat wave of defeating Donald Trump?

I doubt he could beat Hillary... and that's saying a lot!

Now add in the events from last night... I'm sure anyone who watches the news saw the little meltdown Jerry Nadler had on the Senate floor. He basically accused the Senate of conducting a cover-up... you know, the same Senate he was supposedly trying to convince to let the House Managers call for witnesses before they make their prima facia case? Yeah, that Senate, the one where he already has an uphill battle over the lack of transparency and unfair processes taken in the House. He was so bad Chief Justice Roberts admonished him! Yes, I know he admonished both sides... that's called "fair" so he appears impartial. It was pretty obvious he was primarily speaking to Nadler.

That is not rational behavior. It comes across as something akin to "Please do me a favor, you ignorant fool!" So why would someone who obviously is smarter than at least 50% of his constituency act that way? Why would Hillary Clinton decide that now is a good time to attack Sanders? Why did Warren attack Sanders for being sexist, and more importantly, why would the media blow that feud up so much for so long?

Well, maybe Jacobin is on the right track.

Let’s review what happened just this last week. First Politico succeeded in drumming up outrage over an anodyne Sanders campaign script that instructed volunteers to tell people they “like Elizabeth Warren” and consider her their “second choice,” but that they had concerns about her more affluent, well-educated voter base, a base that was originally described in another Politico report. This was roundly condemned as a vicious attack by the Sanders camp.

Next, in one of the most finely orchestrated bits of political theater in recent memory, CNN first reported Warren’s allegation that Sanders had told her in 2018 a woman couldn’t win the presidency against Trump, a contested claim her own campaign doesn’t seem to be sure about. Then, during the following night’s debate, a CNN moderator flatly treated Warren’s version of events as fact, all but called Sanders a liar on national TV when he denied it, and teed Warren up for a pre-prepared and factually dubious speech about the candidates’ electoral histories. At a time of extraordinary political division, the incident was notable for uniting everyone from the National Review to NPR to Morning Joe to Hill.TV’s Rising in condemnation of the lack of professionalism involved.

Meanwhile, MSNBC’s Joy Reid brought on a “body language expert” who moonlights as an anti-vaccine conspiracist to tell us how Sanders’s hand gestures and posture proved he was definitely lying about the Warren allegation. At this rate, it won’t be long before Brian Williams invites a psychic to tell viewers that Sanders’s parents actually oppose Medicare for All from beyond the grave.

There's a lot more at the link, of course, including examples of Biden's previous remarks suddenly getting lost in a sea of amnesia from the DNC.

I put all that together and realized that this not just a bunch of unexplained coincidences... there is a central theme running through all of this. After all, the impeachment case rests on one, and only one, allegation: that Donald Trump used the power of the Presidency to pressure a corruption investigation into his Presidential rival, for personal political gain. Without that allegation, there is literally nothing left. The entire impeachment case falls apart into dust. For that allegation to even appear to have any merit, Joe Biden must be not just the subject of the investigation, but also Donald Trump's political rival for President in 2020.

Let's even give the benefit of the doubt, for conversation's sake, that being the frontrunner means he is so likely to become the Democratic Nominee for President that it doesn't matter if the primaries haven't taken place yet. Still, if Joe Biden is not a leader in the polls, the entire impeachment case falls apart! Joe Biden must remain the front-runner! If Bernie pulls away from him, which seems likely now, there is no impeachment. The case will be dismissed and only the most battle-hardened of pundits could even try and suggest it had merit. Certainly the American public would not be moved by the allegations after that.

~continued~




posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 12:38 PM
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~continued~

It is obvious to me that this is all a conspiracy to battle Bernie back into his place... once again. 4 years ago, he threatened the illustrious Hillary Clinton, and was politely (or maybe not so politely) kicked back into his place as a show candidate only, someone to make it look like the voters had made a choice. Now he is threatening the mighty (weird) Joe Biden (I knew there was a reason I put this in the Mud Pit). I believe it's time to kick him back into his place again, that place being the guy who is running against the actual nominee to make it look like people have a choice.

Also, this plays into the impeachment hearings as well. There is no time to wait now that Bernie has taken the lead in the polls! It reinforces my belief that Pelosi held onto those "desperately urgent" Articles of Impeachment for a month to time the Senate trial to the first caucuses, making it impossible for the candidates to campaign up to the last minute... except of course, for Biden, Buttigieg, and Yang (neither of which have a chance). The problem is Biden himself... the man cannot stop making those gaffes! So in essence, the polls are somewhat frozen now for the Senatorial candidates for President, and the race is Biden's to lose. He's doing one bang-up job at that, too. So yes, we now know why the witnesses must be called in the impeachment trial first, now, IMMEDIATELY! Because if they aren't, if the prosecution has to wait a week or so to call them, the whole case has no foundation whatsoever. Biden is no longer Trump's "political opponent" in 2020, never was actually, and there is no demonstrable political incentive to the requested investigation... which will, I firmly believe, ferret out a host of Democratic and Establishment Republican leaders.

Come to think of it, I haven't heard much about Ukraine and the investigation lately... it's like Zelensky just decided to take a pass, even though he was pretty gung-ho about it before. Trump hasn't mentioned it either. Perhaps it is still happening, just quietly while this impeachment trial is going on, so the results can be sprung upon the public afterwards? After all, we've all seen three years of Donald Trump playing the Democrats in Congress like a fiddle, so why wouldn't he be playing them now?

Stock up on the poppy-corn, buckle yore seat belts, and hang on to them thar bar thingys. Looks like it's going to be a wilder ride than even I originally thought!

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 12:44 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Don't forget! Sanders is chartering a private jet to fly him around right now but his staffers/publicists are all hush-hush about it


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Boy i love me a good Champagne Socialist, don't you!?




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posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 12:44 PM
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I have a feeling ok Bernie is going to get tired of being railroaded by the DNC and start having investigations done.

It will be interesting to see all the tampering and deck-stacking against him.

I think the two case of his staffers supposedly calling for violence is really agent provocateurs for the DNC trying to get him out of their way.

I'm with Trump either way, but it is going to be fun when the proverbial SHTF about whose really been playing wild, loose, and dirty as hell.




posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 12:50 PM
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Next we'll hear that President Trump solicited China to investigate his main political rival, Bernie Sanders.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: Notoneofyou


I have a feeling ok Bernie is going to get tired of being railroaded by the DNC and start having investigations done.



Dems should tread carefully.......Bernie might just run 3rd Party with Tulsi as VP and finish Second in the National Vote to Trump.

That would be beautiful.

I hope the Dems keep on screwing him.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 01:15 PM
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What does one say when they hate the ever living hell out of both Clinton and Sanders?

Sanders needs to retire.

Clinton needs to be sitting in jail.

I have to ask is why there's no real candidate being offered to the public to vote for?



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 01:17 PM
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Bernie Sanders has no business running as a Democrat. He's only doing this because if he gets the nomination he'll have DNC dollars and donor lists

Every time he loses as a Democrat he goes back to being a registered independent. Yes, he's caucused with Demorats (mostly) but this flitting in and out of the party shouldn't be allowed

It's time Democrats AND Republicans changed the rules - maybe have a requirement that you've been registered with their party for so long (xxx years) before you can register as a candidate for POTUS



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 01:17 PM
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Tulsi is suing Clinton over her calling her a Russian whatchamacallit.

There's another one I do not like.
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posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Nicely thought out and presented Mr. Neck. A question for you though is even as the impeachment relies upon Biden being Trump's major challenger it should not matter who is ahead in the polls NOW only who was ahead Then, when the call was made. And from my memory, it was Biden who was the strong leader at that time.

Did Trump believe those polls? I think he did and that he did not think much beyond that. To him Biden was going to be his challenger.

But the impeachment aside. Clinton and Bernie. For me it's more the Clinton Machine and those in the party who battle against it. That is the internal struggle there.

In 16, even though he had been screwed, Sanders backed Clinton but we all knew that that was only because of Trump. But the real thing there was that the Machine was dramatically threatened by Bernie and those who supported him in the polls and elsewhere. In 16 the machine won.

In 2020 the Machine is still there with most of the candidates not directly coming out against it. However Bernie's legacy of attempting to free the party from it still goes on and apparently is at this point working. Clinton, who has had to take a back seat (so far) is still the major guidance for the machine and it is being threatened once again. So Clinton is doing what she can publicly to strike out against the most visible challengers to it.

And who are those. One is Sanders and she has just attacked him. But who else has she attacked publicly. Gabbard.

Gabbard is still running. Gabbard supported Sanders in 16 and ran afoul of the Machine well before that when for a moment she was touted by the Machine as the future of the party until she showed too much independence.

So even as she lost in 16 she still has her power in the democrat party. That is being threatened. Her machine's power, Super Delegates and all, her legacy in the party is wobbling. Sanders forced a change in the party rules back a while. No longer can the Super Delegates, the Machine'' vote their machine status on the first ballot and just sweep up the nomination as it has in the past. Now there is an opportunity to put a stake in it's heart on that first ballot and that is what I look for at convention time. I look for Biden to step aside and endorse a moderate candidate. I look for Sanders to likewise step aside and support an ally, a more moderate candidate but one who could break the back of the Machine and steal the election from Trump.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 01:22 PM
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Bernie might just run 3rd Party with Tulsi as VP and finish Second in the National Vote to Trump.

That would definitely be interesting! Especially since the "new face" of the Democratic Party, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, is a die-hard Bernie supporter. She carries The Squad as well... and the entire left-most wing of the DNC follow them.

We could see the new "Bernie" party emerge, taking away the main support from the Democrats.

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Notoneofyou


I have a feeling ok Bernie is going to get tired of being railroaded by the DNC and start having investigations done.



Dems should tread carefully.......Bernie might just run 3rd Party with Tulsi as VP and finish Second in the National Vote to Trump.

That would be beautiful.

I hope the Dems keep on screwing him.


Ha! That would be hilarious!

I hope old bern does run, just to screw up their plans.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 01:42 PM
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Pretty interesting theory you have there as well. Especially when you talk about the Clinton/DNC Machine.

While your point about who was in the lead at the time is valid on the surface, the truth is that none of the Democratic candidates were Trump's political opponent. They were all each others' opponent at the time. Biden's fall in the polls would be a reminder of that for the public... remember that this trial is not about actually removing Trump (that is simply not going to happen) but about turning public opinion against the Senate Republicans running for re-election.

Now, onto the Machine... That actually falls in line with my last response to pavil. The DNC is splitting; we can see that clearly. How or why I may not be as informed as you are, but I can see the split. You may disagree with me on this, but I give credit (or blame, as the reader my choose) for that to Donald Trump. I have said since day one of his campaign that he would create chaos in our political system the likes of which we have never seen... and I think I can call that one fulfilled. Both parties have their corrupt elements, but things have shifted to the point where the Republicans seem to think they are somewhat safe because Trump is one of them. The Democrats? Not so much, and it seems to be this fear of being exposed that is driving their actions.

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 01:52 PM
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Of the two major Party's, the Democrats are the ones more likely to face a schism.

The Republicans embraced theTea Party, eventually, while the Dems did their best to delegitimize Occupy WallStreet. OWS for all it's wackos, had some core beliefs that were worth incorporating and even found common Ground with Tea Partiers on those stances.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 02:21 PM
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I recently commented in another thread that,



When reading this in your RT link, it reminded me of all of the prior speculation talked about in the media how all of the democratic super delegates were pledged to Hillary Clinton long, long before the convention. Long before the convention.

This alone should inform the democrats that they are participating in an agenda driven cabal of political skulduggery to gain political control of the nation, and the members they attract to finance and naively follow are the means to success in their corrupt greedy endeavors. The democratic party could care less what their blind minions think.

Comes right down to it the republican party is the same thing only without the super delegates.

I have since corrected my mistake in thinking the repubs don't have super delegates. They do.

I agree with you that the select cabal in control of the party most certainly do plan, long in advance, the moves they need to make to reach their dastardly objectives. But this bunch is incompetent in that they are actually exposing the vile underbelly of their own party.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

The last part of your post there highlighted a point I think a lot of people are missing.

The republicans have been mostly shielded because Trump sucks all the air out the room.

I'm anti-authoritarian leftist and support President Trump, but I'm no republican and I remember they tried to push Jeb! on us before Trump took the nomination. If they think whoever they run in 2024 is going to enjoy the support Trump has now, they are sorely mistaken.

I see a very fractured landscape heading into the Void when Trump leaves office in 2025.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 02:42 PM
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The wealthy establishment of the DNC doesn't like Bernie. He's a threat to their choke-hold on the party.
It's always irked them that he's maintained his independent status, but I suspect they really fear the revolution. People with money and power don't like the thought of losing one iota of either. They pay lip service to the issues, but when it comes down to it they really don't want someone like Bernie taking the ship in that direction.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 03:02 PM
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The wealthy establishment of the DNC doesn't like Bernie. He's a threat to their choke-hold on the party.

Bernie isn't a threat to the DNC. He is a threat to killing the golden goose. They just want to control and exploit the golden goose.
He and the useful idiots like AOC are the DNC cabal's means to stir the political pot nationwide. They thrive in controversy. Order is the DNC's arch enemy.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: Gandalf77




The wealthy establishment of the DNC doesn't like Bernie. He's a threat to their choke-hold on the party.

Bernie isn't a threat to the DNC. He is a threat to killing the golden goose. They just want to control and exploit the golden goose.
He and the useful idiots like AOC are the DNC cabal's means to stir the political pot nationwide. They thrive in controversy. Order is the DNC's arch enemy.


Kinda agree.

The DNC candidates are "supposed" to push a little bit of socialism at a time and keep the base happy.

Then Bernie came along in 2016... a candidate that actually believed in socialism.

Mainstream Democrats never wanted THAT out in the open... it was supposed to be a long slow ~wink-nod~ process.

So now the party is being torn apart by the establishment Democrats vs the extreme socialist side of the same party.

Kinda fun to watch, actually...




posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 03:26 PM
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So now the party is being torn apart by the establishment Democrats vs the extreme socialist side of the same party.

No, I think the party is ripping itself apart for different reasons. This is about trying to rid themselves of their greatest threat, and that is Trump. They not only hate him, they fear him. Trump is doing his best to expose the underbelly of corruption of the DNC cabal. Funny thing is Trump has to do virtually nothing to expose the DNC. They are exposing themselves.

Believe this or not, the internet is exposing the DNC cabal.
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