Can someone tell me why President Trump should be thrown out of office

a reply to: shooterbrody

his asking another foreign leader about an investigation is in no way an "abuse of power"

But, that's not what he's being accused of.

his not bowing to the congress is in no way "obstruction"

"Bowing"? No. Refusing to acknowledge Congress' constitutional authority and duty of oversight and checks and balances on the Executive Office is a constitutional crime.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

It is a bit pre-emptive to say what the outcome of the trial may be

uh no it is not
67 votes required for removal
the house dems do not have 67 votes in the senate

game
set
match

It's not an election or popularity contest.

They call it a 'trial' for a reason.

They are asking for judgement on whether Trump did what he is charged with. If he did it/them, then they have to find him guilty. If he didn't, he is not guilty.

But the trial is not done yet. That is why it is pre-emptive to call. Your assumption that everyone will simply vote along party lines may not be correct.

you are simply daft
it is in no way a "trial"
it is a political event
the only results are removal or no removal
period
the senate does not have 67 votes for removal PERIOD
sorry the msm you follow on your island does not tell you that

Keep on believin'

a reply to: Sookiechacha
oh the house did not forward articles of impeachment that include abuse of power?
I think you are mistaken

had the house went to the courts to fight for information there may have been obstruction
the house did not
simply not complying with the house is in NO way obstruction
nancy knew she would get beat in the courts,
sorry no obstruction without instruction

the house made this mess
cheer it if you like
there are no actual crimes

no path to 67
lol

trump wins again

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

It is a bit pre-emptive to say what the outcome of the trial may be

uh no it is not
67 votes required for removal
the house dems do not have 67 votes in the senate

game
set
match

It's not an election or popularity contest.

They call it a 'trial' for a reason.

They are asking for judgement on whether Trump did what he is charged with. If he did it/them, then they have to find him guilty. If he didn't, he is not guilty.

But the trial is not done yet. That is why it is pre-emptive to call. Your assumption that everyone will simply vote along party lines may not be correct.

you are simply daft
it is in no way a "trial"
it is a political event
the only results are removal or no removal
period
the senate does not have 67 votes for removal PERIOD
sorry the msm you follow on your island does not tell you that

Keep on believin'

keep on being ignorant of the current events of a foreign nation



math is supposed to be an international language....except in new zealand I guess....

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy

That's nonsense. If Trump is removed from office, Mike Pence will be appointing judges, and the Senate will approve them.

Maybe, but Pence is more like Bush and an establishment republican and more likely to play ball with the evil democrats.

Ooohh a diplomat and politician. We can't have that.

a reply to: shooterbrody

You can argue that. But that's not the argument Trump's team will argue. They're arguing that Trump and his administration, et al, have "absolute immunity". It's up to the Senate to decide if that's true, now. Courts have been asked to hold off on any ruling, and let the Senate make their decision.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

It is a bit pre-emptive to say what the outcome of the trial may be

uh no it is not
67 votes required for removal
the house dems do not have 67 votes in the senate

game
set
match

It's not an election or popularity contest.

They call it a 'trial' for a reason.

They are asking for judgement on whether Trump did what he is charged with. If he did it/them, then they have to find him guilty. If he didn't, he is not guilty.

But the trial is not done yet. That is why it is pre-emptive to call. Your assumption that everyone will simply vote along party lines may not be correct.

you are simply daft
it is in no way a "trial"
it is a political event
the only results are removal or no removal
period
the senate does not have 67 votes for removal PERIOD
sorry the msm you follow on your island does not tell you that

Keep on believin'

keep on being ignorant of the current events of a foreign nation

math is supposed to be an international language....except in new zealand I guess....

This is civics, not math. You have the wrong room. Hurry along, the bell has already gone.



Seriously, we are getting off topic. Apologies all.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy

That's nonsense. If Trump is removed from office, Mike Pence will be appointing judges, and the Senate will approve them.

Maybe, but Pence is more like Bush and an establishment republican and more likely to play ball with the evil democrats.

But Mitch McConnell isn't, and he's the one pushing judges through.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

You can argue that. But that's not the argument Trump's team will argue. They're arguing that Trump and his administration, et al, have "absolute immunity". It's up to the Senate to decide if that's true, now. Courts have been asked to hold off on any ruling, and let the Senate make their decision.

Thus why Trump didn't obstruct Congress. Congress did not follow subpoena procedures and get the courts to subpoena for them. They said it will take too long and they needed to get him out now before the election!

So, no, trump did not obstruct Congress, Congress did that all on their own by not following constitutional and legislative processes. All 3 branches are equal and none have sole authority over another. If Trump or anyone refused to appear after a lawful subpoena was deemed...then he would have been obstructing.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

a reply to: CynConcepts
because they have no basic understanding of civics or math

the house sought no remedy under the excuse of "not enough time"

they need 67 votes and will never get there

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

It is a bit pre-emptive to say what the outcome of the trial may be

uh no it is not
67 votes required for removal
the house dems do not have 67 votes in the senate

game
set
match

It's not an election or popularity contest.

They call it a 'trial' for a reason.

They are asking for judgement on whether Trump did what he is charged with. If he did it/them, then they have to find him guilty. If he didn't, he is not guilty.

But the trial is not done yet. That is why it is pre-emptive to call. Your assumption that everyone will simply vote along party lines may not be correct.

you are simply daft
it is in no way a "trial"
it is a political event
the only results are removal or no removal
period
the senate does not have 67 votes for removal PERIOD
sorry the msm you follow on your island does not tell you that

Keep on believin'

keep on being ignorant of the current events of a foreign nation

math is supposed to be an international language....except in new zealand I guess....

This is civics, not math. You have the wrong room. Hurry along, the bell has already gone.

Seriously, we are getting off topic. Apologies all.

no
you simply do not understand there have to be 67 votes to remove
the dems do not have them
nor will they get them

simple math

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

You can argue that. But that's not the argument Trump's team will argue. They're arguing that Trump and his administration, et al, have "absolute immunity". It's up to the Senate to decide if that's true, now. Courts have been asked to hold off on any ruling, and let the Senate make their decision.

nice try
the house dems NEVER took the argument to the courts
it is why their article is bs

the house alone is not the arbitor of what constitutes obstruction against them

The democrats want to impeach Trump because he is not a communist. Thats it really. The left in this country has gone full on commie and they cannot stand that Trump is a patriot who truly loves America. It really is that simple. Just look at the talking points they use when asked about their hatred for Trump: Gun control, climate change, their desire for open borders. President Trump is wiping their globalist agenda for America off the map. They are in panic desperation mode and know the only way to save their political lives is to impeach him. It's sad really. To think they are doing exactly what china and radical islamists want, which is to cause chaos and strife amongst the American people. Thats ok with the LEFT though cause there has always been an unholy alliance with the LEFT in America and the enemies who want to destroy America within. And believe it or not, this is actually my more moderate libertarian perspective on the whole situation. It is even probably much more sinister than this.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Don McGahn? The House Ways and Means Committee on Trump's tax returns?

Too much anecdotal drivel in this thread. Why don't you research and find out why Trump should be removed from office. There is a strong indication he broke the law in dealing with foreign entities. He broke the law for purposes similar to what Richard Nixon did.

a reply to: Sookiechacha
and the house dems REFUSED to let THAT UNRELATED issue work its way through the court system

simply follow the rules like everyone else

nope dems cant to that......



67 or bust

a reply to: eManym
what law? specifically?

Thanks in advance

a reply to: CynConcepts

Congress did not follow subpoena procedures and get the courts to subpoena for them.

Yes they did. Trump ordered all subpoena recipients to ignore them.

White House lawyers indicated this week that they would tell former officials, including the former White House counsel Donald F. McGahn II, not to comply with subpoenas for their testimony.

www.nytimes.com...

a reply to: Sookiechacha
at which point the house should have taken them to court....
the house did not

it is why there is no obstruction

simple

like the # of votes in the senate needed to remove trump
67

may as well be a jillion

a reply to: Sookiechacha

In my humble opinion the Senate should reject these Articles of impeachment for lack of evidence.
1: Abuse of Power.
Only Opinion.The house failed to show proof of any crime.
2: Obstruction of Congress.
Not a Crime. When there is a disagreement between The Congress and The Executive Branch The Judiciary Branch is the Arbitrator. The House refused to take it to court.

If The Senate takes this up on such weak charges they will open up every successive president to being impeached for nothing more than partisan political gain for the Majority Party in the House.
This is Not what the founders had in mind as the role for impeachment,in fact they specifically warned against this type of process.

End of Rant.