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Is The "Tic Tac" UFO A Classified USAF "Vanguard" Project?

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posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 08:37 PM
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I could be totally wrong about this theory, but I have gathered a few clues that I'd like to share with you. Might not be true, but then again...

I watched a YouTube clip today, that was posted back in 2016, featuring futurist and author Dr. Peter W. Singer. He was a guest speaker at an AFRL Inspire event. Dr. Singer wrote the book, Ghost Fleet; a book on how the next World War could be fought.

What's an AFLR Inspire event? AFRL Inspire is a celebration of the people of the Air Force Research Lab and the technologies they develop for the Air Force and the world. These TED-Talk-inspired video talks, recorded live before an audience, are given by AFRL researchers, scientists, and engineers about various topics.

At this lecture, Dr. Singer discusses how future wars will be fought in space, as well as in the air and at sea, using high tech weaponry, including autonomous technology.

At the 2:15 mark in the video below, Singer talks about robotic drones flying "wingman" alongside fighter jets and their pilots. At the 12:57 mark, he talks about autonomous military drones that can land and take off from aircraft carriers. Dr. Singer once again mentions autonomous drone weapon systems, as well as stealth battleships, at the 24:08 mark.

Check out the photo below, showing the USAF Mako combat drone, which can maneuver at forces that could kill a human pilot. It's powered by a conventional engine, but notice the L-shaped appendage on it's belly? It reminds me of the two L-shaped appendages that was seen on the "Tic Tac" UFO, as was described by Cmdr. David Fravor.



All this talk about "autonomous" drones, made me think about the USAF Vanguard Program that I read about in an article back in November.

What's a USAF Vanguard Program?

In early 2019, the USAF released information concerning its much-anticipated science-and-technology strategy which called for the establishment of special programs targeted at gamechanging capabilities.


The “Science and Technology Strategy: Strengthening USAF Science and Technology for 2030 and Beyond” document — released in April — emphasized the development of transformational technologies in the areas of: global persistent awareness; resilient information sharing; rapid, effective decision-making; complexity, unpredictability and mass; and speed and reach of disruption and lethality.



Under those focus areas are a handful of vanguard programs that could yield revolutionary capabilities, said Gen. Arnold Bunch Jr., commander of Air Force Materiel Command.

www.nationaldefensemagazine.org...

Back in April 2019, AFRL Commander, Major General William Cooley, talks about the Air Force Science and Technology Strategy. He mentions the Vanguard Programs at the 6:19 mark in the video clip shown below.

However, what caught my attention, is what the Major General says before talking about these programs....
"To insure that we have confidence in and understand how to employ these new technologies and capabilities, we have to demonstrate them in a relevant environment, build prototypes and perform experimentation."

The technologies that the Major General lists, doesn't specifically mention drone-type aircraft, but it does refer to technologies of "unpredictability and mass; and speed and reach of disruption and lethality."

Could Major General William Cooley be referring to the "demonstrations and experimentation" that had already been performed in a "relevant environment," back in November 2004, when the "Tic Tac" UFO was first sighted?

Was Major General William Cooley "fired" four days ago, because he mistakenly leaked too much information on a highly advanced, USAF "black" project back in April 2019?


The head of the Air Force Research Lab at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, is under investigation after misconduct allegations were made against him and has been removed from his position.

Gen. Arnold Bunch, head of Air Force Materiel Command, relieved Maj. Gen. William Cooley from his post Wednesday "due to a loss of confidence in his ability to lead," the command said in a release, adding that the move is related to the ongoing investigation.

www.military.com...

As most of us already know, the USS Nimitz "Tic Tac" UFO encounter happened in November 2004, about 100 miles off the coast of San Diego, near San Clemente Island.

The nearest Air Force Base would be Edwards AFB.
Edwards Air Force Base has been one of the premiere testing sites for new U.S. military aircraft, and later home to NASA’s Armstrong Flight Research Center for the testing of advanced spacecraft. Naturally, Edwards has been a perennial subject of American UFO lore — including an extended October 7, 1965 sighting in which base personnel struggled for over five hours to identify a series of mystery objects invading their airspace.


Chad Underwood, the pilot of the F/A-18 Super Hornet that recorded the "Tic Tac” UFO, even mentions about test projects from Edwards AFB, in an interview back in December 2019.

The interesting thing was, normally, if you see something out in the middle of the ocean that’s a test project, we would get debriefed on it, one-on-one, in a dark room. Whether it’s from the folks at Edwards test site or something like that. “Hey, yes, we were testing a project. This is what you saw.” Without going into great detail, it will be like, “Yes. This is project ‘Umptysquat’” and, basically, “This is what you saw. Don’t talk about it.” That never happened, which leads me to think that it was not a government project

nymag.com...

Was this a preplanned drill that was agreed upon between the USAF and US Navy, to see how military personnel would respond to this type of technology? Was this a "demonstration in a relevant environment" that Major General William Cooley talked about in the 2019 video clip?
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posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

Well if the "Tic Tac" was a USAF drone they have somewhat rewritten the manual on thermodynamics given the acrobatics and flight characteristics the thing seemingly performed.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Well, If it's true that the US government has successfully back engineered alien craft, than this would be plausible.
PS...that's a big if!




posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

And also managed to recreate or reproduce at least a facsimile of there material science.

Given that it went from 27,000ft to 50ft almost instantaneously!

That's some serious tech there, nevermind the fact that the thing seemed to produce no heat plumes nor thrust.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 09:04 PM
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Nice thread and great work putting it together.

Most of this can be achieved with a minimum number of new discoveries / inventions.

Neutering gravity is just an advanced material science. We have the tech to pull it off, all we need is the primary discovery.

Reaction-less Drive is another that changes everything all by itself. Imagine a fighter that can lurk underwater or travel into orbit.

One more is needed and that is energy production. The reaction-less Drive still needs power but lately, DJT has been talking about abundant energy just around the corner which would indicate that that one is solved.

This is not that far in front of where we think we are today.

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posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 09:09 PM
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i'm gonna rate this implausible to laughable.

not saying the capabilities witnessed here are necessarily beyond the scope of human accomplishment, but a jump of that magnitude in one go? yeah not gonna happen sorry. we would at the very least see partial applications of the concepts behind it as we scaled up our understanding.
What you're talking about is like if the Wright brothers came right out with an F22 or whatever on their first flight.
Only even more so, because at least you can study birds and the ways they use lift and thrust and so on, there's nothing in our world to derive instanteous acceleration and so on.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

Whatever we see or think we see in public view they have tech 25 or more years ahead in Black projects. Maybe some they had 20 yrs ago and we're just starting to see signs of it coming to light... drip, drip, mixed with disinfo to keep us guessing. I'm betting we'll see alot more given Trump's Space Force is now funded.

Did you happen to see...

Watch DARPA's Air-Launched And Air-Recovered "Gremlins" Drone Take Its First Flight

The Pentagon May Finally Get The Fighter-Sized Stealth Aerial Target Drone It Badly Needs



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 09:30 PM
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Excellent thread!! Very interesting possibility...



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: continuousThunder

I agree that the idea of humans being able to reverse engineer an alien craft, would be like giving Galileo a cell phone and telling him to "reverse engineer" it.

However, I'm smart enough not to totally discount anything, until it's proven to be 100% false. You have to remember that secret, black op technologies that the DOD and Military possess, are probably 20 to 50 years ahead of consumer technology.

I still remember the interview with Ben Rich, the former CEO of Lockheed’s Skunk Works, who stated before he passed away: “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

It may have been some kind of steerable induced plasma rather than an actual vehicle given what they seemed to get up to.

Looked solid enough to me all the same in the video.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

i'm perfectly willing to believe black projects are more advanced than anything available in civilian spheres, but not to that degree. We've seen, for example, various spy planes coming out into public and they've all been far better than anything civilian but not exactly on another paradigm entirely in this sort of vein.

tl;dr i believe the military is selfish and inward facing and quite evil, but i don't believe they're capable of superhuman feats of either brainpower or secrecy.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 10:24 PM
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Great thread and substantial food for thought. Also some interesting angles for further research.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 10:29 PM
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originally posted by: continuousThunder
i'm gonna rate this implausible to laughable.

not saying the capabilities witnessed here are necessarily beyond the scope of human accomplishment, but a jump of that magnitude in one go? yeah not gonna happen sorry. we would at the very least see partial applications of the concepts behind it as we scaled up our understanding.
What you're talking about is like if the Wright brothers came right out with an F22 or whatever on their first flight.
Only even more so, because at least you can study birds and the ways they use lift and thrust and so on, there's nothing in our world to derive instanteous acceleration and so on.


I agree with this 100 percent.

Funny when we finally get some decent footage of an alien craft the naysayers claim it to be secret human black projects.

The problem with this is that we have been seeing these things and taking pictures of these things since at least the mid 1940s....you know, before even the micro processor was invented.

There is no way you could convince me that we have antigravity, anti-inertia unmanned self flying drones that could fly at 10,000 plus miles per hour, literally turn on a dime at that speed with no fins or wings and no visible means of propulsion today....let alone in the 1940's.

I swear one of these could land on some people's front lawn and out walk a little gray alien and they would still remain unconvinced....



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 10:30 PM
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I think that it is very plausible.
My brother and I have discussed this also, It Belonging to U.S.
He is a retired Navy guy that was Stationed in that Area. Admits to Seeing Lots of Cool Things that He Still Cant talk about.
Your post really put the Pieces together.
Thanks for the hard work and links! Bedtime Reading
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posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

Where did you get that picture below the drone, the one that looks the shape of a tic tac? What is that supposed to be? Is it real or CGI?



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: [post=24883174]Alien Abduct[/post artists rendering at a guess



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 10:39 PM
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a reply to: FreeFalling

So what about all the other ones that people have seen and taken pictures of since the 1940s? Do you suppose we invented antigravity, anti-inertia self flying machines that could fly 10,000 plus MPH back in the 1940s?



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 10:43 PM
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a reply to: hiddenNZ

Right. You see, he is comparing an L shaped appendage located on a real picture of one of our drones to a supposed appendage on a fake picture....and then claiming that there is possibly a connection....a connection to a fake picture?



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct

Oh my bad.
Did I say that Throughout history every sighting is linked to US Drones......No No I didn't.....



posted on Jan, 20 2020 @ 12:28 AM
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I don't think we have the technology still to do what these things do. Biggest issue - propulsion. That's huge - the biggest hurdle to next level flight. You go from jet propulsion to.. what exactly? You can't just take that leap.. drone jet propulsion to something that literally no country has done, or at least has proof of doing. A single angled bit off an aircraft doesn't mean much unfortunately.

Also I still firmly don't believe that our military would test black projects live, against human pilots and troops. What is the point? Why risk very expensive tech and human lives? There are testing grounds for these sorts of things, far away from prying eyes, and risk. Also keep in mind they saw a swarm of these things. Were they really testing swarms of these drones? I doubt it.



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