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Nadler says Dems unwilling to negotiate Hunter Biden testimony in exchange for other witnesses

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posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Fat Jerry may well have control over who might testify in the Senate,


Jerry Nadler can do in the Senate what ever the Republicans in the Senate allow him to do.

Two things you need to realize is that:

1) Senate Republicans do not have the collective back bone to put up any sort of a fight. They will always fold at the mere idea that some news outlet is going to run a unflattering peace about them. The Dems calling them "part of the cover-up" is like kryptonite to the Republicans; they will send their own moms to the firing squad to prove otherwise. This lake of a back bone from normal Republicans is why we have Trump in the first place.

2) The Republicans don't play team politics. Half of them don't care what happens to Trump past what it means to their districts; or worse their personal pocket books.


The only thing that is keeping Trump from being removed is because this is happening to close to the presidential election and Republican leaders are smart enough to know that they can't let the apple cart tip now or their out.
edit on 19-1-2020 by DanDanDat because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: network dude
Screw the fat bastard make a motion to dismiss all charges right off the get go.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: pteridine

True, but he still will not have to testify. And pleading the Fifth is not an admission of guilt even though the optics are bad. The bottom line is no testimony and no gottcha moment for Republicans.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT




What are the Dems so afraid of?


The Truth.

That Biden did shakedown Ukraine, and Hunters a crack head.




posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 04:22 PM
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Jerry Nadler is having a hard time coming to grips with the fact that he is no longer relevant.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: DJMSN
a reply to: pteridine

True, but he still will not have to testify. And pleading the Fifth is not an admission of guilt even though the optics are bad. The bottom line is no testimony and no gottcha moment for Republicans.


When ever I'm called for jury duty and they ask my opinion on the the fifth my answer is they must be hiding something I've never been selected for jury duty because of that answer.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 04:25 PM
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Okay. No need to negotiate at all then.

Dismiss without cause and begin the fraud cases for the House wasting taxpayers money then.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: DJMSN

Optics are more important than the truth, this is true in public opinion, and in most cases the business world. So while it is his right to not say anything, it will be utilized against his father during the run-up to the primary election and even the general election.

Edit: Clarified that is was Joe not Hunter that it would be bad optics for. Can you imagine ad after ad just showing his son pleading the fifth? I know I can, and I imagine it would have some impact.
edit on 1/19/20 by Hypntick because: Clarification



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: network dude

So basically they want to control everything in the Senate and determine everything with no input from anyone else, denying all dissenting opinions.

At least they are right about fascist in the government being a problem, just ironic the fascists are themselves.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: DJMSN

Pleading the fifth will be a vindication for Trump in the eyes of the public, even though it can't be used against Biden in a court of law.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
I think that the House Democrats should take another vote to get rid of the idiots running their majority. Those top ten people running the show are going to cripple the Democratic party for years to come.


No no no! Let them stay there and show the world how inept and corrupt they are. If it sinks the Democrat party maybe the honest, normal, non-socialist/communist Democrat voters (yes, they're still out there) who know how to work FOR the people will get their party back. I don't mind listening to a Kennedy Democrat or Reagan Democrat and their ideas, at least they were willing to talk, not yell, work together, not attack at every turn.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 07:53 PM
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I am saddened. Trump really did have high hopes of returning congress to greatness by both partisan sides negotiating over coffee and lunches and coming together for the benefit of the majority of moderate America.

I was all for that dream.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 08:29 PM
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originally posted by: DJMSN
Remember that Hunter can be called as a witness but he can plead the 5th and not testify to anything. This is why it is futile to call him as a witness


That's alright...Pleading the 5th is akin to admission of guilt, without admitting it...If he can't justify making so much money for doing absolutely nothing, it is worthy of investigating...Apparently the company he worked for bilked America out of many millions of dollars...D.J. Trump was totally justified in requesting the status of that investigation before he allowed Ukraine to get their hands on another 500 million of our money...



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 08:36 PM
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Democrats in the House and Democrats in the media are assuming that all Senate Democrats hate President Trump. There will probably be a couple of smart ones there, like there were on the House side.



posted on Jan, 19 2020 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: DJMSN

Pleading the fifth will be a vindication for Trump in the eyes of the public, even though it can't be used against Biden in a court of law.


And if that happens, that's all the "punishment" Hunter or Joe will receive. Neither the Senate, DOJ, or President Trump wants to see them indicted.



posted on Jan, 20 2020 @ 07:02 AM
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originally posted by: DJMSN
a reply to: pteridine

True, but he still will not have to testify. And pleading the Fifth is not an admission of guilt even though the optics are bad. The bottom line is no testimony and no gottcha moment for Republicans.



Yup no testify and boom Trump wins.



posted on Jan, 22 2020 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: Iscool

I cant agree with your description of the 5th Amendment of our Constitution. I am no fan of either Team Biden nor his family which appears to have positioned themselves to gain financially. Howver, i do allow for the presumption of innocence which is provided by our Constitution just as the 5th is provided so that no one is forced into a situation of defending oneself while forced to give testimony.

Under your description of the 5th Ammendment, "akin to an admission of guilt" we become that which we so often fight against, tyranny. Imagine yourself in General Flynn's shoes for a moment, the FBI coming for a "meeting" which was in reality an investigative interview in which a case was being created against him. While the 5th would not have been an option for him at that time, he certainly could have refused any questioning, had his attorney present for that interview and perhaps the matter would have ended differently.

The 5th Amendment is often associated with Mafia figures defiantly refusing to answer Congressional Powers that be rapid fire made for television hearings. The Amendment can also claim fame from those forced to testify in Senator Joseph McCarthy's house hearings on the so called Red Scare, a theory which invokes images of todays Russia, Russia, Russia mantra.

The McCarthy hearing was truly an abomination, and a true damned if you do and damned if you dont moment for those forced into a circus, because of a birth place, a professional association or because of their parental heritage. Lives were ruined for those who provided testimony as well as for those who chose a stand provided by the founding framers of our Constitution.

McCarthy chastised both, those who testified behind closed doors openly in an attempt to clear their name in association with Communism as well as those who "wrapped themselves in the protection of our Constitution" while seeking destruction of the United States by participating in another political party, the Communist Party, even though the accusations were completely manufactured, yet many who testified as well as those who asserted their constitutional rights were blacklisted from employment, 400 went to jail without a trial, 9500 civil servants were summarily fired, 15000 forced to resign, 400 teachers fired, and many in Hollywood from actors and actresses, scriptwriters, directors never worked again, some involved and exonerated left America in abject disgust and never returned.

The 5th is indeed an admission of guilt by its definition in the constitution, however we do not know what that individual is guilty of, as its innvocation preempts our learning of exactly the guilt referred too, instead it forces those governing the execution of any trial or investigation to return to the foundation of our Justice System where they are the carriers of burden, it is their responsibility to provide proof of guilt, proof that does not depend on testimony coerced from the defendent.

I can say with certainty that if ever i am called by our nations premier law enforcement agency, the FBI to provide answers for an open investigation that without hesitating i will assert privilege of attorney present during questioning and no doubt would take great pleasure in pleading the 5th before any Congressional circus. After witnessing how the FBI lied, manuvered, and utilized fabricated evidence from foriegn entities over the decades, it would behoove every American to plead the 5th and do so without ANY assumptions of guilt



posted on Jan, 24 2020 @ 09:49 PM
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Hearing from friends in DC, rumor is some Democrats will break party line and vote for acquittal when it comes up.

There’s lots of pressure on our Dem Senator Kirsten Sinema to vote acquittal. Our state AG is super aggro ATM about impeachment. Our Gov hasn’t said anything, but he’s a weakling coward.

I strongly doubt we’ll get witnesses. And I think Graham is smart enough not to call Hunter. He should call the whistleblower, Schiff, Schiff’s Staff, and maybe Sondland, in that order.


edit on 24-1-2020 by SpartanStoic because: Grammar



posted on Jan, 24 2020 @ 09:53 PM
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More Reason for Schiff-Ciaramella-Vindman's Trump-entrapment scheme to be exposed, right up front. Make it Priority #1.

House Impeachment Managers: If the Senate Acquits President Trump, the American Public will know, and understand, that the Impeachment Trial was not fair...that it was rigged.

Source: www.nbcnews.com...



posted on Jan, 24 2020 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: DanDanDat


a reply to: network dude

Fat Jerry may well have control over who might testify in the Senate,


Jerry Nadler can do in the Senate what ever the Republicans in the Senate allow him to do.

Two things you need to realize is that:

1) Senate Republicans do not have the collective back bone to put up any sort of a fight. They will always fold at the mere idea that some news outlet is going to run a unflattering peace about them. The Dems calling them "part of the cover-up" is like kryptonite to the Republicans; they will send their own moms to the firing squad to prove otherwise. This lake of a back bone from normal Republicans is why we have Trump in the first place.

2) The Republicans don't play team politics. Half of them don't care what happens to Trump past what it means to their districts; or worse their personal pocket books.


The only thing that is keeping Trump from being removed is because this is happening to close to the presidential election and Republican leaders are smart enough to know that they can't let the apple cart tip now or their out.
Except none if that has happened, GOP unity has been strong, so much so that all of Schumers resolutions were tabled by a unified party, with the exception by one, Collins.

They have been holding strong and I don't think it has anything to do with personal bias either.

What's keeping Trump from being removed IS a unified GOP, not as a result of them not caring or saving optics, rather, seeing this impeachment charade as a mockery of our Constitution and that something as sacred as impeachment requires a bipartisan consensus to which all parties collectively agree wrong doing was present, here, NONE EXIST.
edit on 24-1-2020 by Arnie123 because: (no reason given)




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