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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut
So, you do seem to repeat stuff that's on right-wing blogs and opinion sites. I just made the assumption that it is probable that you got it from somewhere. Are you suggesting that you base your ideas on no information at all?
I understand you get all of your talking points from certain sources, and I can sympathize that it must be terribly difficult to imagine anyone else having an original thought. However, I assure you that original thought is possible!
I use information from the statements made by the politicians themselves. That's all the information I need.
And you must admit most posters on ATS favor Trump, are opinionated and post their opinions here. Wouldn't ATS, then, be a site, and other posters here be pundits?
I will admit many posters on ATS favor Trump... not most. We do not have a political litmus test for membership. Want proof? We even have you as a member.
TheRedneck
originally posted by: Deplorable
Ya know what the problem is with your logic?
You are one smart fella. But ... you give other people too much credit.
Yeah ... you can post a decent opinion of the facts here at ATS, but ... 99% of the American citizens aren't smart enough to think things through the way you can. And, how many people read these boards? 1,500?
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Deplorable
Ya know what the problem is with your logic?
You are one smart fella. But ... you give other people too much credit.
Yeah ... you can post a decent opinion of the facts here at ATS, but ... 99% of the American citizens aren't smart enough to think things through the way you can. And, how many people read these boards? 1,500?
What I do know is 28% of the people voted for Hillary, thanks CA, and 27% voted for Trump. That leaves 44% voted for neither, so what do you think those 44% are going to do when the DOW hits 30,000 and life is actually good?
originally posted by: TheRedneck
I've been watching the continuing drama surrounding the impeachment circus, and a few days ago it stopped making
It never was about removing Trump. That was the cover. It was about using Senate support for Trump to re-take the Senate! If they can pull that off, and keep the House in 2020, the Presidency doesn't matter... the Democrats can impeach and remove Trump then!
originally posted by: chr0naut
They will enjoy things, but they probably still won't vote.
Including the special elections in Arizona and Georgia, Republicans will be defending 23 seats in 2020, while the Democratic Party will be defending 12 seats. Democrats will need to pick up three or four seats to gain a majority in the Senate, depending on which party wins control of the vice presidency.[a] Several races are expected to be competitive, including the Democratic-held seats in Alabama and Michigan as well as Republican-held seats in Colorado, Arizona, North Carolina, and Maine.[1]
The GOP holds the Senate (80 percent) There’s a chance, if literally everything breaks in the Democrats’ favor, that they retake the Senate. But it requires a lot going right for them, and even one botched race means Republicans keep control. This should have been a promising year for Dems, at least on paper. Twenty-three Republican seats are up for reelection, compared with only 12 Democratic seats; these were, except for a couple of special elections, seats that were last open in 2014, when Republicans gained a whopping nine seats. You would think Democrats could regain some of the nine that they lost, but you’d mostly be wrong. Democrats lost seats in Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, South Dakota, and West Virginia, races they’re basically not contesting this time around. Iowa and Montana look only slightly better. Instead, Democrats’ hopes rest on the two 2014 losses they think they can reverse — in North Carolina and Colorado — as well as on a special election in Arizona, an unlikely Alabama seat they won in 2017, and Susan Collins’s once-safe seat in Maine, which Dems hope her vote for Kavanaugh will make competitive.Though sweeps of this magnitude do happen (2006 and 2008 both saw huge Democratic sweeps), they’re rare, especially as the parties have polarized geographically and because Democrats are underdogs, in Alabama and North Carolina in particular. There’s a chance the Dems pull it out, but I think it’s quite unlikely. — DM
The Republican National Committee (RNC) outraised its Democratic counterpart by more than two-to-one for a seventh consecutive month, while the Democratic House committee outraised its Republican counterpart, according to December 2019 campaign finance reports filed with the FEC. The National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) raised $6.2 million and spent $3.2 million last month, while the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) raised $5.8 million and spent $5.8 million. So far in the 2020 cycle, the NRSC has raised 8.7% more than the DSCC ($60.7 million to $55.6 million). The NRSC’s 8.7% fundraising advantage is down from 8.8% in November but up from 7.1% in October.
both are from the balotpedia article and it was from the last day of 2019
So far in the 2020 cycle, the RNC, NRSC, and NRCC have raised 34.6% more than the DNC, DSCC, and DCCC ($352.4 million to $248.5 million). The Republican fundraising advantage is up from 34.2% in November and 32.7% in October.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
Then today it all clicked into place. I heard at least three prominent Democrat leaders make the statement that if the Senate did not conduct a 'fair trial with witnesses,' they were obstructing justice. Of course! That was the plan all along! Start an argument over witnesses, then claim that the argument is indication of bias! After all, Trump will not be removed; it requires 67 Senators to vote for renewal, and the Democrats have 47 Senators. They're not going to convince 20 Republicans to switch their votes, especially given the caliber of "evidence" that has been presented.
originally posted by: JON666
a reply to: TheRedneck
Declare the dems traitors and let the tree of freedom be watered by the blood of Patriots taking out the traitors!
so the angry sanders voter card is apparently in play
'People will sit at home': Sanders supporters threaten to stay home if Democrats nominate a bland centrist
so there is this as well to consider
They're particularly steamed Sanders, a socialist who has been in Congress since 1991, isn't getting his due though he's proven to have staying power in public opinion and fundraising, even after suffering a heart attack last October. As of last week, he leads a tight four-horse race in Iowa ahead of the first-in-the-nation caucuses on Feb. 3, raising a record figure of $34.5 million in the final financial quarter of 2019 for a total of $96 million. Nominating a career center-left candidate such as Biden, the former vice president and 36-year Delaware senator, would dampen enthusiasm by the liberal populist grassroots, Sanders backers contend.
DSCC $55,600,343 $44,453,291 $17,336,936 $7,870,852
NRSC $60,659,103 $50,146,310 $18,010,729 $0
NRCC $77,098,637 $64,270,649 $29,393,186 $0
DNC $82,527,600 $83,838,951 $8,394,445 $6,451,707
dems best performing one and the sole one with no debt
DCCC $110,343,684 $68,373,303 $47,585,877 $0
so these are the numbers
RNC $214,646,882 $174,915,051 $63,233,392 $0
just posting this link so i could quote this snippet
About party committees See also: Party committee fundraising, 2019-2020 Both Democrats and Republicans have three major party committees. The national committee's purpose involves oversight of the presidential nominating process as well as supporting party candidates with research, polling and funding in races across the country. Each party also has two Hill committees, one each for the House and Senate, which are dedicated to helping elect candidates from their party to Congress and helping incumbents win re-election. During the 2018 election cycle, these six committees were each among the top 10 spenders in congressional elections with a combined $1.3 billion in spending.[7] As of the December 2019 campaign finance reports, the same six party committees—three Democratic committees and three Republican committees—have raised a combined $600.9 million during the 2020 election cycle ($352.4 million across the three Republican committees and $248.5 million across the three Democratic committees).
The impeachment inquiry, investigation, votes, and ultimate refusal to transmit articles are not about removing Trump from office. Rather, it is a tacit acknowledgment he will be re-elected in November of 2020. The plan now is to use impeachment to neuter that second term with a Democrat-controlled Senate.
This impeachment exercise is most assuredly about removing someone from office. It's just not about removing Trump from office. It's about removing Cory Gardner, Martha McSally, Thom Tillis, Susan Collins and Joni Ernst from their senate offices.
A Democratic Senate would make the assemblage of a Cabinet next to impossible, end the filling of judicial vacancies, paralyze the country should there be a U.S. Supreme Court opening and ensure that both the House and Senate spend their time investigating the executive branch.
There are currently 53 Republican Senators with 45 Democrats and 2 independents. The 2 independents caucus and vote with the Democrats for a practical split of 53-47. Democrats need to flip four Republican seats (and more likely 5) if Republicans nominate an electable candidate in Alabama.
If you think the country made little to no legislative progress with a Democrat-controlled House and a Republican president, just wait until there is a Democrat-controlled House and Senate and a Republican president.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
originally posted by: JON666
a reply to: TheRedneck
Declare the dems traitors and let the tree of freedom be watered by the blood of Patriots taking out the traitors!
Killing members of the opposition party is dictatorship.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Even if Biden gets trounced, he is assumed immune to prosecution and investigation until the election. Then, if things go as intended, Democrats can get control of both houses of Congress and remove Trump. That removes the threat of exposure and things can go back to normal.
I don't think it will succeed, but that does seem to be the plan.
I will also mention that, should Trump be removed by impeachment, the Vice President (Pence) immediately assumes the Presidency. He will then appoint a Vice President, but that Vice President must be approved by the Senate. Should something happen to the President before the Vice President is confirmed, the Speaker of the House assumes the office of President.
Think about Seth Rich. Now read that last paragraph again, bearing in mind that the Speaker of the House is Nancy Pelosi.
TheRedneck
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TheRedneck
Think about Seth Rich. Now read that last paragraph again, bearing in mind that the Speaker of the House is Nancy Pelosi.
She of the bullet pens ...
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: TheRedneck
But surely, if they have been pushing for impeachment since day one, then the fact that they are methodically going through with it, wouldn't actually be a change in tactics?
You might see changes in tactics, but you are reading the details of what the Democrats are thinking from Republican news and blogs. These have the LEAST idea of what the Democrats are thinking and what their tactics are supposed to achieve.
And the polls just don't show what the people who post on ATS believe they do. The Democrats and the Republicans are roughly in balance and the numbers oscillate wildly. It just isn't true that Trump is ahead by a large margin. It's still anyone's game.
Latest Election Polls - RealClear Politics
Imagine getting arrested for murder because someone felt like you might have done it. No body is found, no one saw you do it, no one even knows who the murdered victim is, but because some people felt like you did a crime you get to go to jail without even being able to defend yourself?
That's what's going on here; if one side is claiming that a crime was committed, then interview the people involved. All of them not just a select few that have something to gain from agreeing with you, and interview the accused person as well. Instead we have closed door hearings, done by people who change the rules as they see fit in the middle of public hears, and even opening lie to the public while pushing the charges as fact.