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posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 04:57 AM
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originally posted by: operation mindcrime

originally posted by: silo13
This is a disgrace to the Nation. An absolutel disgrace.


Impeaching or the action of calling into question the integrity or validity of your politicians is a disgrace?

Personally I find it more troubling that this is only the third time in US history this is happening.

Peace


But don't be surprised when it becomes the norm moving forward. The next Dem pres will be impeached because of something very petty (like this one) and this will continue on.

This is what happens when important things like impeachment and removing a sitting pres should only be done in extreme cases...butthurt isn't one of them.

There is a reason it's only been done 3 times. Now it's going to be like the new normal. Way to go Dem's

edit on 16-1-2020 by WalterTilley because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 05:34 AM
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a reply to: WalterTilley

Calling into question the integrity or validity of an elected leader should be the norm!

Now I'm from Europe and we sometimes go through our political leaders at the rate of a few a year but to not quote Twain...(it wasn't his quote)

"Politicians are like diapers, they need to be changed often, and for the same reasons."

If (I know..work with me here) if the president is actually guilty of abusing his power...wouldn't you want to know it?

I know we have an army of armchair laywers here who have gone over the evidence and have convicted or cleared the president a long time ago but don't you want justice to be fair and unbiased based on evidence and fair trial?

It takes away valuable time and money, I agree. But shouldn't the people whose integrity is in question be more occupied with conducting themselfs in a way that doesn't lead to the public raising these questions?

Peace



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 06:25 AM
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a reply to: operation mindcrime




I know we have an army of armchair laywers here who have gone over the evidence and have convicted or cleared the president a long time ago but don't you want justice to be fair and unbiased based on evidence and fair trial?


I agree, yes we do want proceedings to be based on evidence and fair trial.

But we haven't had either of those things in this case. Which is why people are so agitated.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 06:56 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

And none of that means anything when it goes to the senate and 2/3 of the republicans refuse to impeach. Which is actual reality, as opposed to political grandstanding and masturbation.

Now, follow that up with the election. No independent in the history of independents wanted a three-year-long focus on BS "Russia" ties, or whatever the hell it was that we just lived through. None. They don't care. They care about the stock market. They care about the management of fiscal resources and the allocation of those resources. They care about American competitiveness in world markets and arenas. None of the things they care about have anything to do with the partisan cat-fight that the dems have literally hung their hopes and dreams on.

So now you've got a demoralized dem base who are being force-fed the biggest loser in the history of politics as a potential front-runner. A guy who literally promises "nothing will change" under his administration, at a financial, social or cosmic level. Yawn. So your base is unriled.

But that's the thing. Trump's base is stronger than ever. And for lots of good reasons. Serious double-digit rates of return in the portfolios of the "middle class" and larger paychecks and tax rebates for the "working class." That's the perception game you don't even know you are fighting.

The Joker is going to take home Academy Awards and Trump is going to breeze into a second term while DNC morons scream at the sky (again). It is possible to be right (in your "serious" political analysis) and still be dead wrong. This is one of those fights. The Dems don't even know they are in it so they lose hard.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 07:08 AM
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a reply to: WalterTilley

Well, at least it gives them all something to do (or at least look like they are doing) while they continuously fail to create a proper budget while voting to give themselves pay raises.

I mean, can we just dispense altogether the notion that our congress does anything that isn't "fan service" to their largest donors?

The biggest joke in the history of government is the 435 members of the HOR. Who cares what they do anymore? Give them crayons to eat, IDGAF.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 07:14 AM
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originally posted by: chiefsmom

Nancy is so ridiculous. I don't understand how Californians can be THAT stupid?


Ummm, because they are "Californians"..!!

Nuf said.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 07:25 AM
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a reply to: operation mindcrime


Government gets nothing productive done if all it does is seek to remove its duly elected head for purely political reasons though. Surely even you can acknowledge this. That's the dark door the Democrats have opened with this impeachment.

If the opposition decides its purpose is to impeach the elected head of the other party every cycle, no other work gets done. Our cycle this last four years has been dedicated to this and only this. Just because you Euros want to be constantly dysfunctional, doesn't mean every other country in the world has to be.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 07:27 AM
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a reply to: 0zzymand0s

At least when the Republicans impeach Bernie for conspiring with Russia, there's an actual history to work with there.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 07:35 AM
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So what is the absolute worst case scenario here?
Give me your opinions & thoughts on this.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 07:35 AM
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a reply to: silo13

i was halfway expecting nancy to say, lets all give him the hiss of shame while we walk.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut
You are daft
It is a purely political event
You simply dont understand
Typical
Funny you fail to acknowledge that the dems DO NOT HAVE THE VOTES
The ENTIRE event is partisan farce.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Haha!

Granted. Totally granted. Nevertheless, a Bernie / Trump debate would be one for the ages; a populist (left) vs. populist (right) dogfight. I can't even imagine a debate between Trump and Biden. It would be a massacre. The president has way too much energy and style (whether I always like or relate to it is irrelevant). Bernie may be a dyed-in-the-wool Euro-Socialist (BON -- there is a huge difference between that and a South American "socialist" but I digress!) but at least he has some "jazz" in his energy. He might give Trump a decent fight.

At the very least it would be a match between two completely different things (largely open, somewhat unregulated laissez-faire capitalism vs. big taxes / big safety net Euro-"socialism.")

A match between Trump and Biden would be a blowout and a nothingburger.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

So what you are saying is nothing got done in the last 4 years in the US?

Yeah us dysfunctional euros and our weird ways right...if only we would get our stuff together like the US because living standards are really crappy over here.

Peace



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 08:03 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
You are daft
It is a purely political event
You simply dont understand
Typical
Funny you fail to acknowledge that the dems DO NOT HAVE THE VOTES
The ENTIRE event is partisan farce.






For SKorp and yourself, my version of the worst case scenario.
Because I worked directly for a statistician several years-- and
the truth coming out about corruption is the very reason WHY
the system will never heal itself.

The RB Ginsberg "free of cancer" got almost as much airplay as
her totally delusional flap the SCOTUS could DISQUALIFY senators
that are biased ---and therefore get the conviction. Suffice it
to also say Chief Justice Roberts is sufficiently compromised by
some or various forms of blackmail (the opinion AND dissent for
Obamacare-- how'd THAT happen).

And lately the other opinion being ignored of the SCOTUS not even
constitutionally empowered to pass an opinion on the trial... there
may be a lot more skullbuggery going on under cover to get the
convict vote in the Senate. And we 150 or so million all get a bite.
They HAVE to follow through with this coup, or be totally found out.

I'm in a reasonably small community at the outskirts in IL... and I'm
stocking up again for the weekend. It AIN'T popcorn, folks.
edit on 16-1-2020 by derfreebie because: "There was no reason for it, really..." Callahan



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: Purpapengus

All witnesses including both sides, from Hunter to Papa Joe, Hillary, and even Obama himself could proudly walk in and simply plead the Fifth.

No gains, and we would be right back where we started. We are no closer to an Impeached and removed from office President than when we started.

We will have a news cycle with brand new 30 second sound bites from which ever dummies come up with the best sounding ones, whether it be Republican Cocaine Mitch or Democrat Pencil Neck Shifty Schiff.

They may have banned most Circus Animal Acts but we have a brand new circus everyday, with the animals running the show.

A circus where very little ever takes place except the animals continue to mesmerize the public with the worst magical shell where's the pea act ever while the disappearing cabinet in back works over time making tax dollars fly away.

Meanwhile, in my opinion the conflicts of interest on full display are simply ignored. Klobuchar, Sanders, and Warren who are currently running for President against the very candidate they are attempting to remove from office. They should recuse themselves against the Senate trial and quietly sit down until it ends.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: Skorpiogurl
So what is the absolute worst case scenario here?
Give me your opinions & thoughts on this.


Trump gets removed from office, Pence gets sworn in.

Pelosi starts impeachment hearings on Pence.

*shrugs*



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: ketsuko

So what you are saying is nothing got done in the last 4 years in the US?

Yeah us dysfunctional euros and our weird ways right...if only we would get our stuff together like the US because living standards are really crappy over here.

Peace


You're the one who implied this impeachment was normal and should be a normal part of our process when in reality it's anything but a simple symptom of deep dysfunction, but if it looks normal to you because that's how they do it in Europe .... well, I draw my own conclusions from that.

Either dysfunction is a normal part of your systems or you're ignorant of our government because it is not like your own. One of those was kinder to you as a poster.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

What the hell are you talking about? As a foreigner I expect every president change in the US to be followed by an attempt to impeach him since Reagan..

Two separate measures were introduced to impeach Reagan. The first, in 1983, was for offenses related to the invasion of Grenada. The second, in 1987, was tied to the Iran-Contra Affair.

President George H. W. Bush. In 1991, a resolution was introduced to oust Bush for alleged crimes related to the Gulf War.

No need to go over president Clinton's impeachment

President George W. Bush. A resolution was introduced in 2008 to impeachBush for a variety of violations associated with the Iraq War and warrantless wiretapping.

President Barack Obama. In anticipation of potential military campaign in Syria in after the regime allegedly used chemical weapons in 2013, Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC) prepared a resolution to impeach Obama for going to war without consent from Congress.

It is as normal as the sun coming up...

Peace


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posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: derfreebie

You need to relax, my man. There ain't never gonna be no war. It would be baaaad for business.



posted on Jan, 16 2020 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: operation mindcrime

Introducing resolutions to the House is mostly an empty gesture made by Reps to look good at re-election time. Nearly all of them go nowhere being symbolic gestures.

There have only been three actual impeachments in our history priory to this one.



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