Interview With a REAL Area 51 Worker - TD Barnes

At about 22:00 he asks TD about Bob Lazar.

a reply to: FosterVS

Any meat? Can you give us a summary?

You need to provide some context here, not just post an hour-long video. And for the record, there is no mention of Lazar at 22:00

originally posted by: schuyler
You need to provide some context here, not just post an hour-long video. And for the record, there is no mention of Lazar at 22:00

Bob Lazar is mentioned at 22:55

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: FosterVS

Any meat? Can you give us a summary?

Taking about a nuclear powered space craft which could get to mars in 500 days

Far too stoned to ponder on whether that’s really good or really bad and I can’t be bothered to exit the page and reaching for google but I can be bothered to look in the fridge for food

One things for sure, don’t go to mars stoned

originally posted by: schuyler
You need to provide some context here, not just post an hour-long video. And for the record, there is no mention of Lazar at 22:00

I guess I made the mistake of assuming that anyone with some knowledge of Area 51 would know who TD Barnes is. My mistake.

"Thornton D. “TD” Barnes, author, and entrepreneur, grew up on a ranch at Dalhart, Texas. He graduated from Mountain View High School in Oklahoma and embarked on a ten-year military career. He served as an Army intelligence specialist in Korea and then continued his education while in the US Army, attending two and a half years of missile and radar electronics by day and college courses at night. Barnes deployed with the first combat Hawk missile battalion during the Soviet Iron Curtain threat before attending the Artillery Officer Candidate School, where an injury ended his military career.

Barnes’s career includes serving as a field engineer at the NASA High Range in Nevada for the X-15, XB-70, lifting bodies and lunar landing vehicles; working on the NERVA project at Jackass Flats, Nevada; and serving in Special Projects at Area 51. Barnes later formed a family oil and gas exploration company, drilling, and producing oil and gas and mining uranium and gold.

Barnes currently serves as the CEO of Startel, Inc., a landowner, and is actively mining landscape rock and gold in Nevada. He serves as the president of Roadrunners Internationale, an association of Area 51 veterans, and is the executive director of the Nevada Aerospace Hall of Fame.
Two National Geographic Channel documentaries feature Barnes: Area 51 Declassified and CIA—Secrets of Area 51. Numerous documentaries on the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, the Travel Channel, and others also feature him.

td-barnes.com...

originally posted by: FosterVS

originally posted by: schuyler
You need to provide some context here, not just post an hour-long video. And for the record, there is no mention of Lazar at 22:00

I guess I made the mistake of assuming that anyone with some knowledge of Area 51 would know who TD Barnes is. My mistake.

"Thornton D. “TD” Barnes, author, and entrepreneur, grew up on a ranch at Dalhart, Texas. He graduated from Mountain View High School in Oklahoma and embarked on a ten-year military career. He served as an Army intelligence specialist in Korea and then continued his education while in the US Army, attending two and a half years of missile and radar electronics by day and college courses at night. Barnes deployed with the first combat Hawk missile battalion during the Soviet Iron Curtain threat before attending the Artillery Officer Candidate School, where an injury ended his military career.

Barnes’s career includes serving as a field engineer at the NASA High Range in Nevada for the X-15, XB-70, lifting bodies and lunar landing vehicles; working on the NERVA project at Jackass Flats, Nevada; and serving in Special Projects at Area 51. Barnes later formed a family oil and gas exploration company, drilling, and producing oil and gas and mining uranium and gold.

Barnes currently serves as the CEO of Startel, Inc., a landowner, and is actively mining landscape rock and gold in Nevada. He serves as the president of Roadrunners Internationale, an association of Area 51 veterans, and is the executive director of the Nevada Aerospace Hall of Fame.
Two National Geographic Channel documentaries feature Barnes: Area 51 Declassified and CIA—Secrets of Area 51. Numerous documentaries on the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, the Travel Channel, and others also feature him.

td-barnes.com...

Surely the interview must be about more than just his credentials. Care to tell us a little about the actual interview? It's your place to whet my appetite enough to make me want to watch it. So far you haven't done that. Have you not watched it?

Read his bio on his site. No alien stuff. He worked mostly with radar and secret aircraft. Said the USSR started putting up satellites over them and knew their launch times. They had to start waiting until the sats were out of range to test aircraft.

He never talked to others working on other projects. Against the rules. Said the best thing at area 51 is the food. Best food in Vegas. Anyone that worked there would say the same.

I don't recall Lazar ever mentioning the quality of food which adds another layer of doubt in my mind.

The culture of the place sounds challenging with all the secrets, games and pranks to out do the other guy. Having a swarm of drones that can take any shape. Using cardboard cut outs with some blowers to pretend they have some new exotic plane tech as the satellites go by. Spoofing radar signals for some all round general confusion.

So is the recent Navy anti gravity patents a psy op to confuse the Russians? Is the tac tak video just an electromagnetic trick? Is TD Barnes still punchin for team America?

The Nerva project was public knowledge in the 60’s . The Atomic Museum in OakRidge Tennessee had an educational program of small booklets that were available to teachers for classes on several programs. See the link below.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: kwakakev
The culture of the place sounds challenging with all the secrets, games and pranks to out do the other guy. Having a swarm of drones that can take any shape. Using cardboard cut outs with some blowers to pretend they have some new exotic plane tech as the satellites go by. Spoofing radar signals for some all round general confusion.

So is the recent Navy anti gravity patents a psy op to confuse the Russians? Is the tac tak video just an electromagnetic trick? Is TD Barnes still punchin for team America?

I will say, YES!

Heads up this TD Barns guy is really hard to understand! And if you listen to him he does contradict himself here and there.

I have no idea if Bob Lazar was at Area 51 or not, I'm also pretty sure after listening to TD Barns he had no idea either. You can't say everything was "secret secret" and then say "no Bob Lazar was not there ever!".

This video is not worth the 57.29 mins.

originally posted by: FosterVS

originally posted by: schuyler
You need to provide some context here, not just post an hour-long video. And for the record, there is no mention of Lazar at 22:00

I guess I made the mistake of assuming that anyone with some knowledge of Area 51 would know who TD Barnes is. My mistake.

Nice copy and paste. TD Barnes is, to put it mildly, in the academy of the overrated. He was a very low level employee in the service, an E-4, where he operated radar in Nevada, and when he got out, went to work as a contractor associated with the CIA, i.e.: He never "worked for the CIA" as an employee or agent. And he doesn't know much at all. His books on Area 51 are typo-ridden self-published accounts. His web-site is a God-awful mess that looks like it was put together in the early 90's just as the web was invented and hasn't been updated since. Further,

1. He knows absolutely nothing about Bob Lazar. He claims "Lazar was never there," but how could he possibly know? He was not there at the same time. He was not in a position to know the many hundreds, if not thousands of people who worked there. And he was never involved in any project involving crashed saucers. To put any credence in his lack of knowledge about Lazar is laughable.

2. He knows absolutely nothing about tic-tacs or those incidents. When asked about them he goes off on a tangent about our need to know about Russian radar capabilities, but that has no direct bearing on the tic tacs. He claims they must be our top secret stuff, but there is no reason he knows more about them than you or I. He makes a valiant effort to sound relevent, though, when he talks about our technological capability to make things appear to be present when they really are not. I happen to know that is a real thing and we can talk about it some time, but the fact that such a capability exists in no way explains tic-tacs.

The interview itself was pretty poor. I don't think the interviewer had a handle on the subject. That is not Barnes' fault, nor yours, but the whole thing comes off like interviewing the janitor of the physics building on the latest developments in quantum mechanics. You are not going to get very far in advancing the state of the art when you do that.

a reply to: schuyler


Agree, from numerous accounts from people dealing with these projects is that everything is so compartmentalized. If they are working on the same project etc then maybe they would know each other but if they are working on different areas of the base and in completely different subject matters then I am not so sure they would ever cross paths.

I would say radar technology and working on spaceship are a little different. I am not a 100% Bob Lazar believer by any means either I just think that this interview was weak and there are too many variables at work

a reply to: FosterVS

TD Barnes is a great man. He still wouldn't have known everything about everything going on.

Here's another great man: Captain D. Freihaus (sp) who confirmed Bob's story about S4 (bus heading South)

What about the anomaliea discovered by non-edited satellite imagery?

What about the Gimbal guncam video? Who has ever described a saucer flying belly first? The Gimbal video confirms yet another Bob statement.

a reply to: FosterVS

How do you reconcile your assertion with the following NASA satellite imaging missions?



Shows anomalies in terrain that match Bobs description of the hangar doors. He put a pin point on this LOC back in '89 before satellite imagery was widely available. This is not from GE either.

Here are other NASA photos confirming the anomalies in terrain.

Those are man made. Plenty of tracks and trails running all over that area as well as reputable witness statements backing Bob's claims of the facility

Not saying there are or are not saucers at Papoose Lake. But there are undeniably anomalies present consistent with Bob's statement at the precise location he claimed.

The features shown from the listed NASA mission are not naturally occurring nor do they exist in any other location near Papoose Lake or elsewhere. I urge you to take a look at the evidence, objectively.

A reputable and proven GL worker also confirmed this was true. Cpt. David Freehouse (annunciation)

How do you reconcile these things?

Full image below



See for yourself: eol.jsc.nasa.gov...

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: FosterVS
How do you reconcile your assertion with the following NASA satellite imaging missions?

What assertion?

You gotta love this place.

For what it’s worth FosterVS could have posted a better description of the TD Barnes interview.

But....

How many of the posters throwing shade on The OP and TD Barnes can recite TR3b engineering specifications, can point to Bob Lazars S4 site on a map and consider because you have invested hundreds of hours watching John Lear in YouTube videos to learn the real facts?

TD Barnes is by far and away the most accessible bona fide ex EG&G employee I know of.

He is an old man that was apart of some of the most amazing things this country has ever done, he is willing to talk about things that are as sensitive as something can get and still be talked about in the white world and all he gets is crap like he’s hard to understand, the grammar on his website sucks or he was just a pion?

The guy is the closest most of you will ever get to the truth about those last 5% of UFO sightings that haven’t been rationally explained and you want to throw shade.

Absolutely hilarious.

If you’ll excuse me, I have to attend to some other stuff.

The remote viewers from the Stargate program have found out about the chunk of element 115 in the crisper drawer of my fridge and I need to move it beforeSpace Command dispatches another Tr3b from the secret base on the dark side of the moon.

Deny ignorance indeed.

The title was directed in general at people who claim they/their dad/uncle/gramma worked at Area 51/Lockheed, etc. A lesser extent to Lazar. It's true, I don't believe one word he has ever said, FWIW. Even with pictures that show water eroded channels cut into a hillside, that appear on all the hills around it as well. Or a goat trail that sort-of/kind-of goes near the area. The desert takes forever to heal, and a lot of those trails were trails cut in by pioneers or prospectors with covered wagons.

a reply to: FosterVS

Is verified USAF officer & Area 51 employee David Freehoff also lying? He confirmed Bob's story about a blacked out bus heading South with a select group of employees to S-4 (confirmed by name)

Even with pictures that show water eroded channels cut into a hillside, that appear on all the hills around it as well

Woah there, that isn't accurate at all. The anomaly doesn't appear anywhere else in the referenced source image or in any other that I can find. I know because I have been scouring non-GE imagery for months trying to debunk/discredit these findings. Show me where you're talking about



And water absolutely does not start halfway up a hillside and end part way down it. Does the water run horizontally also? And those features are verifiably *not* present on any other hillside near Groom/Papoose lake or around the NTS. Can you take a screen shot and show me where on NASA's original source image or my edited version that you're referencing?

I am serious, I have been looking for evidence to debunk the photo for months now. Haven't found any. If you can, now is your chance to put this whole image business to rest!

Or a goat trail that sort-of/kind-of goes near the area. The desert takes forever to heal, and a lot of those trails were trails cut in by pioneers or prospectors with covered wagons.

Not true. Why aren't these "goat trails" visible elsewhere? What is shown are Not goat trails. Those aren't resolvable from ~200 miles up. Look at the upper limit of satellite imaging resolution (real satellite imaging) and you'll see that's not possible. Although I am sure such trails are near by, the 2X2 tracks of a vehicle are plainly visible running near and directly around the site Bob labeled S-4. You see plenty of tire tracks but zero foot prints/animal tracks/etc because despite the propaganda there is no satellite that can read the print on your newspaper from space or anywhere near that level of detail.

Again, how did he know this location would just so happen to have these anomalies? For an area with no activity, there sure are an awful lot of roads leading to and from it. And what is the point of that anyhow? NTS employees aren't allowed at Groom and Groom employees have no reason to go to NTS. Or Papoose, if the chorus is to be believed.

Lest we not forget this all could have been disproven on day 1 if the government would have simply taken photos close-up of the "non-restricted" "non secret" area and countered Bob's story? I suppose they just enjoy giving the public the millionth +1 reason not to trust them and giving us the "false" perception that they really are all just liars, crooks and thieves.

One issue at a time though, why don't we start with the included image and move on to roads next? Then how about we look at the witnesses, individually, and determine their credibility.

Respectfully looking forward to defending my findings,

JB

EDIT: Second witness is Captain David Freehoff not Friehaus