Democratic Establishment & MSM panic as Sanders surges into the lead in primary polls!

Oklahoma

2-person family middle-class income range: $38,451.97 to $114,782

3-person family middle-class income range: $41,610.35 to $124,210

4-person family middle-class income range: $47,289.27 to $141,162


Oregon

2-person family middle-class income range: $42,276.33 to $126,198

3-person family middle-class income range: $48,510.01 to $144,806

4-person family middle-class income range: $55,796.26 to $166,556


Pennsylvania

2-person family middle-class income range: $41,698.79 to $124,474

3-person family middle-class income range: $52,044.93 to $155,358

4-person family middle-class income range: $61,959.59 to $184,954


Rhode Island

2-person family middle-class income range: $46,556.29 to $138,974

3-person family middle-class income range: $53,163.16 to $158,696

4-person family middle-class income range: $66,926.97 to $199,782


South Carolina

2-person family middle-class income range: $37,533.40 to $112,040

3-person family middle-class income range: $40,793.62 to $121,772

4-person family middle-class income range: $49,178 to $146,800


South Dakota

2-person family middle-class income range: $42,483.36 to $126,816

3-person family middle-class income range: $46,737.19 to $139,514

4-person family middle-class income range: $55,705.14 to $166,284


Tennessee

2-person family middle-class income range: $36,568.60 to $109,160

3-person family middle-class income range: $41,578.19 to $124,114

4-person family middle-class income range: $49,053.38 to $146,428


Texas

2-person family middle-class income range: $41,824.75 to $124,850

3-person family middle-class income range: $45,310.76 to $135,256

4-person family middle-class income range: $52,511.25 to $156,750


Utah

2-person family middle-class income range: $42,789.55 to $127,730

3-person family middle-class income range: $49,249.02 to $147,012

4-person family middle-class income range: $54,363.13 to $162,278


Vermont

2-person family middle-class income range: $44,382.14 to $132,484

3-person family middle-class income range: $52,528.67 to $156,802

4-person family middle-class income range: $60,815.90 to $181,540


Virginia

2-person family middle-class income range: $49,143.16 to $146,696

3-person family middle-class income range: $56,576.81 to $168,886

4-person family middle-class income range: $67,319.59 to $200,954


Washington

2-person family middle-class income range: $49,102.96 to $146,576

3-person family middle-class income range: $55,775.49 to $166,494

4-person family middle-class income range: $64,860.69 to $193,614


West Virginia

2-person family middle-class income range: $33,471.19 to $99,914

3-person family middle-class income range: $39,795.99 to $118,794

4-person family middle-class income range: $48,545.42 to $144,912


Wisconsin

2-person family middle-class income range: $42,803.62 to $127,772

3-person family middle-class income range: $50,899.23 to $151,938

4-person family middle-class income range: $61,574.34 to $183,804


Wyoming

2-person family middle-class income range: $46,590.46 to $139,076

3-person family middle-class income range: $52,186.30 to $155,780

4-person family middle-class income range: $58,156 to $173,600

originally posted by: pexx421
I got those numbers because household income generally Refers to 2 working adults. So you divide that household income number by half and there you have the average of both adults. I’m sure you knew that.

And herein lies the problem with trying to debate something you don't know anything about. This is a fundamentally flawed concept because cost of living doesn't scale 1:1 based on the number of people in the household. It doesn't double when you go from 1 to 2 people and it doesn't halve when you go from 2 to 1 person.

Seriously, it would be of great benefit if you got to know basic economics before you tried to debate economics.

70% of America is not working poor. You were wrong. You're making up numbers and concepts to try to support a baseless argument.

Burnie will get destroyed
He is a commie

Biden is lucky he is not in jail

Warren has lied about her heritage and gender

All three are screwed

Well done dems
Nice job

So then, let’s go by your numbers. It states 2 person family, and the entry ranges from $37k to $55k by state. That’s for both people, correct? So that’s $9 an hour to $13 an hour each, right?

Who is going to vote communist burnie?

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: pexx421
I got those numbers because household income generally Refers to 2 working adults. So you divide that household income number by half and there you have the average of both adults. I’m sure you knew that.

And herein lies the problem with trying to debate something you don't know anything about. This is a fundamentally flawed concept because cost of living doesn't scale 1:1 based on the number of people in the household. It doesn't double when you go from 1 to 2 people and it doesn't halve when you go from 2 to 1 person.

Seriously, it would be of great benefit if you got to know basic economics before you tried to debate economics.

70% of America is not working poor. You were wrong. You're making up numbers and concepts to try to support a baseless argument.

I expect you have no idea of the conditions that the majority of Americans live with. You’re as economically deluded as the majority of our msm and our favored economic markers. Most people can’t afford healthcare, or healthy food. I lived near a whole zip code where there wasn’t a single grocery store. All the kids I worked with had 95% of their meals sourced from dollar general. Good middle class jobs have been replaced by low paying service sector jobs, which you apparently think are “middle class”.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Who is going to vote communist burnie?

How is Bernie communist?

originally posted by: pexx421
So then, let’s go by your numbers. It states 2 person family, and the entry ranges from $37k to $55k by state. That’s for both people, correct? So that’s $9 an hour to $13 an hour each, right?

No, again, that is a fundamentally flawed concept. You'll note that when it goes from 2 to 3-person, it doesn't just increase by 50%. That's not how cost of living works. You can't take 2-person household income and say that means half of that is what it would take for a 1-person household. That makes no sense. Living expenses don't slice in half if someone moves out of a 2-person household. It's based on households, not per capita income, because most people live in at least a 2-person household.

Look at Pennsylvania. It says middle class for a 2-person household starts at about $40K per year. I live in a 2-person household on $25K a year. We're not poor. We live comfortably. We have savings. We have a nice car. We have disposable income.

Where do you live?

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: pexx421
I got those numbers because household income generally Refers to 2 working adults. So you divide that household income number by half and there you have the average of both adults. I’m sure you knew that.

And herein lies the problem with trying to debate something you don't know anything about. This is a fundamentally flawed concept because cost of living doesn't scale 1:1 based on the number of people in the household. It doesn't double when you go from 1 to 2 people and it doesn't halve when you go from 2 to 1 person.

Seriously, it would be of great benefit if you got to know basic economics before you tried to debate economics.

70% of America is not working poor. You were wrong. You're making up numbers and concepts to try to support a baseless argument.

I expect you have no idea of the conditions that the majority of Americans live with. You’re as economically deluded as the majority of our msm and our favored economic markers. Most people can’t afford healthcare, or healthy food. I lived near a whole zip code where there wasn’t a single grocery store. All the kids I worked with had 95% of their meals sourced from dollar general. Good middle class jobs have been replaced by low paying service sector jobs, which you apparently think are “middle class”.

Then your expectations are wrong. So on top of zero economic knowledge you're making baseless and incorrect assumptions. This is not a logical or adult way to debate.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: pexx421
So then, let’s go by your numbers. It states 2 person family, and the entry ranges from $37k to $55k by state. That’s for both people, correct? So that’s $9 an hour to $13 an hour each, right?

No, again, that is a fundamentally flawed concept. You'll note that when it goes from 2 to 3-person, it doesn't just increase by 50%. That's not how cost of living works. You can't take 2-person household income and say that means half of that is what it would take for a 1-person household. That makes no sense. Living expenses don't slice in half if someone moves out of a 2-person household. It's based on households, not per capita income, because most people live in at least a 2-person household.

Look at Pennsylvania. It says middle class for a 2-person household starts at about $40K per year. I live in a 2-person household on $25K a year. We're not poor. We live comfortably. We have savings. We have a nice car. We have disposable income.

Where do you live?

No, in your own posts it shows the median household income for 2 person households by state. So either both people are working, making what I stated each, or one person is working making the total figure. Regardless, $8-10 an hour for two people, or one person making $16-20 and the other unemployed are still poverty/working poor conditions for any city in the us. Which is where the majority of people live.

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Who is going to vote communist burnie?

How is Bernie communist?

From his budget commie haircut to his commie birkenstocks he is commie through and through

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

"For better or for worse, the Cuban revolution is a very profound and very deep revolution. Much deeper than I had understood," Sanders wrote. "More interesting than their providing their people with free health care, free education, free housing ... is that they are in fact creating a very different value system than the one we are familiar with."

Commie words from a commie mouth

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: pexx421
So then, let’s go by your numbers. It states 2 person family, and the entry ranges from $37k to $55k by state. That’s for both people, correct? So that’s $9 an hour to $13 an hour each, right?

No, again, that is a fundamentally flawed concept. You'll note that when it goes from 2 to 3-person, it doesn't just increase by 50%. That's not how cost of living works. You can't take 2-person household income and say that means half of that is what it would take for a 1-person household. That makes no sense. Living expenses don't slice in half if someone moves out of a 2-person household. It's based on households, not per capita income, because most people live in at least a 2-person household.

Look at Pennsylvania. It says middle class for a 2-person household starts at about $40K per year. I live in a 2-person household on $25K a year. We're not poor. We live comfortably. We have savings. We have a nice car. We have disposable income.

Where do you live?

No, in your own posts it shows the median household income for 2 person households by state. So either both people are working, making what I stated each, or one person is working making the total figure. Regardless, $8-10 an hour for two people, or one person making $16-20 and the other unemployed are still poverty/working poor conditions for any city in the us. Which is where the majority of people live.

You still don't understand that a 2-person household doesn't have twice the living expenses of a 1-person household, making all your arguments that are based on cutting the numbers in half invalid. You don't understand that cost of living can't be described by blanket statements across the US, even if you limit it to just cities. You don't even have a high-school level understanding of economics. I'm not gonna continue to engage with you on a subject you know less than nothing about.

You've been proven demonstrably wrong. 70% of us aren't working poor. $16-20/hr isn't poverty in every city. I'm pretty sure it's against forum rules to deliberately post lies. You've been shown beyond a shadow of a doubt these claims are inaccurate. Don't keep posting lies. Grow up, get informed, and argue from a position of facts and logic. Have a good day.

You’re right. I just live in this world. I’ve lived in at least 10 different states in the south and west. I have no clue, apparently, how far money goes, right? Despite the fact I’ve lived in households by myself, with other people, as a couple, etc. Why wouldn’t I trust your statistics rather than my own real life experiences, or those of everyone I know? Or someone like chris hedges who actually travelled all around the US to study and report what situations the vast majority of Americans deal with? Hm.

a reply to: Waterglass

After the latest project veritas event, I think this trend may start to reverse a little..

Sanders is pretty much done for now..

If he does get the nomination after all in light of this, he will destroy any hope of the Dems winning anything in 2020.

Numbers will be vastly stacked against the Dems because of their 4 year long circus show as it is, the thought of Communists getting control of the country will tip the scales and send many more Republicans (who previously would not have got off their asses to vote), to the polling booths and more walk away Dems will help tip the scales in favor of Trump.

a reply to: Ironclad1964

We can only hope so.

originally posted by: Puppylove
It's not the free stuff that people like about Sander's message, it's the, not polishing the nobs of the rich, as well as, demanding a fair share for the plebs, that people like about Sander's message.

Ummmm... you've apparently never talked to any of his supporters. I have...

It's the free stuff.

Is the one problem with the right, in their mind the rich can do no wrong and deserve every cent they can squeeze out of the common man and should be defended to the death.

Not even remotely true. I'll admit there may be some like that, but those would mostly be the Bernie Sanders type of millionaires - politicians and their ilk who gain 'wealth' by stealing from the public through corruption, lies, deception, fraud, and manipulation.

People who actually work hard for and earn their wealth are generally - 90+% at least (probably more like 99%) are simply not like this.

Two extremes, eat the rich, or feed ourselves to the rich. No one wants to talk meeting in the middle because neither side is willing to budge an inch.

Parroted like a good little statist.

Oh and for those worried about the middle class, I've got news for you, the end result of both extremes is no middle class.

Agreed... which is why we should simply return to the merit system.

a reply to: CynConcepts

?????????? This message just appeared in my message in box today? Weird as its the 9th of February.

OK, so now look at what has happened since Iowa and New Hampshire. Looks to me they are maneuvering around Bernie.