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posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 06:48 AM
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The house we have been renting for 6 years now has a zoning adjustment sign in front of it, that's how our land lord told us we were being forced to find a new home, not with a phone call, email or letter, but with a neon orange sign in front of our home plopped there by someone who works for the town. All rental properties in our area are going through the same thing, houses that were rented by the people who worked in the community are being sold and torn down to make way for the luxury homes that they can't afford.

There is nothing in our area that we can afford without spiraling further into debt, but both of our livelihoods depend on our location, it feels like we're trapped.

My parents live in the area still, it was a tight community that we were all a part of not too many years ago and they bought a house before the prices more than doubled and all of the small wartime houses on their street were replaced with giant boxes. Their place has a separate basement apartment that has been used as storage for over a decade. We're cleaning it out and giving it a face lift, new floors/paint, and then we are going to move in for a while...

I get along great with my parents, we've never even had a real fight, but it's still monstrously depressing to be moving back in with the folks in my late 30s, but we are using this as an opportunity to erase our debts and start a new life. To escape this trap.

Right now we are looking into saving for an air stream and taking this show on the road. We're already the black sheep in each of our families, but we are really going to let our freak flags fly now!

Wish us luck.




posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 07:04 AM
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a reply to: wheresthebody

I'd do some research on that.

RVs are not necessarily good investments from what I've heard, more like giant debt traps on wheels.



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 07:07 AM
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a reply to: wheresthebody

If you get along so great with your family then how are you the "black sheep?"

Doesn’t make sense.

Wish you luck.



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: wheresthebody

Good luck.
The lack of affordable housing and gentrification is a scandal in my country too , wasn't aware it was a problem over there but it seems the result is the same , the rich get richer and the less well off get squeezed out.

I hope you find a satisfactory resolution but until then keep on keeping on.



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: CthruU

Black sheep doesn't necessarily mean the rest of the family dislikes you; it could just mean they're unconventional as compared to the rest, so they stick out like sore thumbs at a family gathering. Say a straight-laced family of doctors, lawyers, engineers, and other well-healed white collar professionals ... and Uncle Larry, the Boho terra cotta pottery guy with his own off-grid studio in the backwoods of Tennessee.

Everyone loves Uncle Larry, and he makes his own way quite well ... but, he doesn't quite fit in does he?



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 07:21 AM
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a reply to: gortex

It's a Catch-22 isn't it?

Clean up areas of town that are that are dirty and crime ridden to make them safe and presentable for people to live in. Do you know what that looks like? Gentrification.

Gentrification is bad, m'kay, because no one can afford to live there.

Obviously, people do live there. Honestly, some decent people do get pushed out by it. I've been in that spot where such a thing would have forced me out once upon a time too. But what's better or worse, pros and cons.

Affordable housing like Cabrini Green really doesn't serve many either.
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posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

If you're going to remove old affordable rental properties they should be replaced by new affordable rental properties.
Building houses that will either be owned or bought to let at a higher rent is causing a problem for those who cannot afford to buy , local authorities need to build and run affordable housing as that's the only way to keep rents reasonable,



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: gortex

The problem is that making something new according to existing building coders, rules, and regulations costs money, often a lot of it.

Very often, you're demanding everyone involved in the project do so at a loss because government sure won't relax their end of things for any reason.

Then you hand over to those who often have not demonstrated any desire to even try to maintain what they had to begin with.

There was a reason why I brought up Cabrini Green and others like it.



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: wheresthebody

I'm going to give some advice to young people.


As painful as it is, one of the best ways to survive in this new world is to always be willing to move.
I find it absolutely unbelievable the amount of people that would rather suffer than move.



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 08:32 AM
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Affordable housing like Cabrini Green really doesn't serve many either.


They should make a documentary about Cabrini Green.

Way way back when, it was public housing it started off as mostly white.
Over time it became known as the housing authority and became almost exclusively black.
I got lost one time and saw open drug dealing, and a man with a machine gun walking around. I drove 100 mph hoping the cops would pull me over and escort out of the area. Not a single cop in sight!! Very scary place during the 90's

I believe the last of the apartments were taken down this past summer. The area near it, Chinatown has grown exponentially in the last decade.

As much as people like to call gentrification a bad word, it isn't. It means progress, it means clean up, it means less crime.
Yes it sucks it also means less affordable housing, but we have to look at why affordable housing often is equated with those negative things in the first place.
edit on 13-1-2020 by JAGStorm because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 08:37 AM
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Gentrification is progress.

Isn't it ironic that when wealthy people move away it is called white flight but when they move back it is called gentrification?

No one has a right to live anywhere. Markets change and sometimes you have to move. Just life.

All affordable housing policy does is make housing unaffordable because it limits market supply. We have 50 years of data in NYC, SF, Portland and other areas to show it doesnt work.

It also isn't fair to the homeowner. Often times as property increases in value so do the property taxes. The owners need to sell to cash in on the asset value. How would you feel is you owned a home for 20 years and then some SJW crys about you wanting to sell to a developer at fair market value?



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated




It also isn't fair to the homeowner. Often times as property increases in value so do the property taxes.


The one group that I feel really bad about it the very elderly that have been taxed out of their area. I know there are some tax breaks for them, but many did not expect to have to pay 7-15 a year for taxes... sad.



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

There is a reason why Habitat mandates that those receiving the house help to work on it alongside the Habitat crew. You value what you have worked for and earned more than what has been handed to you.

It works that way with our kiddo for example. 1st grade, we went through 4 pairs of gloves in 3 months. Finally, we took money out of his allowance stash, put it in his hands, and told him he was buying the replacement pair.

Two years later, and he still has that pair of gloves.

We have rarely used that remedy on other occasions, and it always works. When he is made responsible to provide or replace a thing, he takes good care of the replacement. Skin in the game.



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

there is a netflix show called nightmare tenants and slum landlords.
It takes place in the UK, but applies to the US as well.

A lot of renters are really horrible. They will take every advantage possible and sometimes leave the rental places in really disgusting condition. Some of these people are just downright liars and know exactly how to work the system. It appears very few of them ever have any repercussions. The only one unique thing there vs the US is that if the landlord claims bankruptcy it appears to affect the tenants credit directly also.

I am well skilled in the real estate game, but have zero tolerance for ignorant & nasty people so I can't be a landlord.



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Edumakated




It also isn't fair to the homeowner. Often times as property increases in value so do the property taxes.


The one group that I feel really bad about it the very elderly that have been taxed out of their area. I know there are some tax breaks for them, but many did not expect to have to pay 7-15 a year for taxes... sad.


Exactly. As you age and are on a lower fixed income / retirement, the annual property taxes become too burdensome. In my community, the property taxes can exceed the actual cost of the mortgage over time! The mortgage payment stays fixed for 30 years, however, the property taxes continue to go up as the property value increases.

Not too mention, many of these homeowner's have a huge portion of their retirement net worth tied up in the value of the home. So they have to sell. However, many of these properties have a lot of deferred maintenance, aren't up to code, etc. As some mentioned, often times it is more cost effective to tear the house down and build a newer luxury home due to changes in code. By the time the developer complies, often times you have no choice but to build a luxury home.

Here in Chicago, one of the Aldercreatures introduced legislation to stop developers from building new homes along the 606. The 606 is an old rail line that was converted to a walking path/park. It runs east = west to far west side of Chicago. All the neighborhoods located along the 606 are seeing increase in popularity now, so the SJWs are coming out of the woodwork complaining about gentrification. You can't win for losing. Before these neighborhoods were what we call sh*tholes.... now that coffee shops, etc are starting to open because of the 606, the same people are now complaining that rents / housing cost are rising. You can't have it both ways.

Affordable housing doesn't work because it just moves the cost around to other homeowners making housing more expensive overall. For example, cities often want developers to set aside say 10% of units as affordable. What actually happens is that the other 90% of units wind up having to pay more to offset the losses incurred on the 10%. This increases cost for everybody.

I actually meant to start a thread but didn't have time on how Portland is getting expensive due to all the interference in the local real estate market - urban growth areas, environmental codes, affordable housing, zoning , etc. All these things add up to make it next to impossible to build affordable housing and limit supply thus making the overall housing market way more expensive than it ought to be.



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: ketsuko




Affordable housing like Cabrini Green really doesn't serve many either.


They should make a documentary about Cabrini Green.

Way way back when, it was public housing it started off as mostly white.
Over time it became known as the housing authority and became almost exclusively black.
I got lost one time and saw open drug dealing, and a man with a machine gun walking around. I drove 100 mph hoping the cops would pull me over and escort out of the area. Not a single cop in sight!! Very scary place during the 90's

I believe the last of the apartments were taken down this past summer. The area near it, Chinatown has grown exponentially in the last decade.

As much as people like to call gentrification a bad word, it isn't. It means progress, it means clean up, it means less crime.
Yes it sucks it also means less affordable housing, but we have to look at why affordable housing often is equated with those negative things in the first place.


Cabrini Green is on the Northside of Chicago, not near Chinatown which is southside. CG is mostly gone, but there are a few rowhomes still there. The area is completely gentrified. There are literally multi-million dollar condos and single family homes directly across the street from Cabrini Green. It was bound to gentrify because it is very convenient to downtown loop and only about 1 mile off the lake.

Public housing doesn't work because it concentrates poverty and normalizes dysfunctional behaviors. When everyone around you is a loser at life, it makes being a loser at life normal hence the crime and everything else that occurs in public housing.



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

You need a place for the poor to live. The problem is that with the poor come the undersirables who are often poor as well. They bring their problems of crime and violence and just plain bad behavior with them. The poor don't want to live with them anymore than anyone else does.



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

I just looked at the map, what was I thinking?

I must have been thinking of some slums near Chinatown and confused them with being near CG.
Either way, they are gone now and really nice townhouses are there now.



posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Edumakated

I just looked at the map, what was I thinking?

I must have been thinking of some slums near Chinatown and confused them with being near CG.
Either way, they are gone now and really nice townhouses are there now.




Probably Robert Taylor Homes.... we've been talking abotu this same topic for 40 years. The title of the video is wrong.




posted on Jan, 13 2020 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko
Dollar for dollar and square footage makes them unreasonably expensive. Not a good investment.
Kind of like buying a diamond ring you pay retail for. It's pretty but definitely not worth the price paid.

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