Could the belief in god considered a mental illness ?

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: gosseyn

Could the disbelief in God be considered a mental illness?.

It's old argument and only the weak seek to use the mental illness card to try to shove there own belief's onto other's often against there will.

Atheists despite being BELIEVERS in there being no god - with absolutely no proof to back up there claim's - often regard those that do believe as somehow deficient, believers on the other hand think they are a bunch of misguided delusional twerp's.

Meanwhile the Agnostic's sit by the side line's and play spectator eating bag's of pop corn while each side tries to score goal's against the other.

The Philosophers sit down and think what are those idiot's going on about and then debate whether or not they exist themselves.

And you call the lunatic's insane.


BUT as a Christian myself I have to say most religious people are Wrong (well I would now wouldn't I) and so too are the atheists but as for the agnostic's I respect you but come on get out of the middle of the road before you get run over by both sides.
And those philosophers, what the hell are you smoking.

There is tons of proof that God doesn't exist, but I have yet to see any proof that God Does exist. Everyone that tries to convince me he does always falls back to the good ol....you gotta have faith. No sorry, not going put my faith in a character that has no proof of existing.

Maybe "god" is simply a code word for our DNA ... So to think God interacts via language or any means we use for ourselves is illogical but it would have a purpose subconsciously.

I doubt screaming to anything you can't visualize definitely qualifies for schizophrenia.

a reply to: jidnum

Well please provide some examples of PROOF that he does not exist, your statement is so utterly wrong but I digress, come on examples, he did not answer YOUR prayer perhaps, Someone YOU loved was taken away from you - we have all suffered that but unlike you we at least hope they are somewhere better.

SO Come on other than the narcissistic idiocy that is usually used by Atheists to justify there point let's hear some examples.

Let me give you one that you simply can't get around.

YOU exist, you are part of a greater reality that includes the entire universe both what you can see with your tiny and actually almost completely blind sight, reason out with your tiny and almost non existent mind and feel with your limited sense of touch in a tiny and insignificant space around you that forms a part of your own personalized universe.

So come on provide some proof that what you can not see, can not hear, can not feel and do not know about is not there, honestly idiotic statement's like that you have just made are one reason I have no time for Atheists though like I say Agnostic's (even those agnostic's that call themselves Atheist but really are not) you can at least have a reasonable conversation with.

I put it to you that your BELIEF is as much a personal religion as is any religious person's view that there is a God or Higher Realm of existence and higher being's.

You know something, think on this.
“Wherever an altar is found, there civilization exists.”
This very deeply thought out statement was by a man by the name of Joseph de Maistre in his writing's called "Dialogues on the temporal government of Providence".
Now you believe you are reasonable but I put it to you that you are the unreasoning in your assumption, an Atheist (true atheist not borderline agnostic) BELIEVES there is no God but the best of them can not provide proof to back up there belief, Agnostic's on the other hand are open minded, they simply do NOT believe in God but NEITHER do they BELIEVE that there is no God they simply admit they do not know Ag-Gnostic.

Sorry to come down a bit harsh but come on proof please, empirical proof not opinion.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Could you be any more hostile?

You claim that God exists and here you are calling people names and belittling them? LOL

Man I would really really hate to believe in your God if it turns me into such a hateful and spiteful person. You know that's something I notice in a lot of religious people. It's pretty common actually. They want to say they love everyone and they are so kind but once you question their faith they act just like you and go the complete opposite direction and start trying to name call and belittle people, counter productive to your belief no?


So any way......your argument is "I exist therefore God has to be real?" very very poor argument.

You want to have a conversation about something? Then maybe you shouldn't come off as an arrogant know it all because at the end of the day you still have yet to show existence of God.

So there you go, you want your proof that cannot be denied?. Lack of proof of existence IS proof of NOT existing.

you could tell me whatever it is you want to tell me but until you show proof of existence......there is no existence. Simple as that. So the ball is in you court. You need to show me tangible without a doubt proof or it is simply just nonsense.

I think believing in god/creator makes us feel more oriented,comfortable and secure,specially in times we are dealing and coping with severe problems in our lives...God gives people hope, sense of direction and a higher purpose to be motivated and more creative...Religions on the other hand have been taking advantage of this human need for ages.Agenda based organised religious people have been and still are leading the world by their believes...Two compeletely different subjects.

originally posted by: JoseGarcia
a reply to: gosseyn

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The LEAST racist, prejudiced negative are the authentic INTRINSIC religionists who walk their talk.

originally posted by: whereislogic
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Forgot one:

Where did you think the "monkey chants" towards black players came from?

Notice the media never even mentioning the word "evolution" when reporting on this phenomena or talking about the underlying psychology and thinking associated with such behaviour.

'Thou shalt not even mention anything that could be seen as negative or harmful to the marketing campaign of unverified evolutionary philosophies under the marketing-label "science"'. Nothing to see here.

a reply to: jidnum

What proof?

a reply to: JoseGarcia

Specifically Hebrews

Hebrews 11:1, KJV: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

www.bibleref.com...

a reply to: gosseyn

it would be interesting if you had any journals relating to psychology and or the study of the human brain in neuroscience which shows evidence of your claim .

Anyway here is an article which states that research shows the human brain is predestined to think of the afterlife and deities

it seems as though its evolved in us

Humans predisposed to think of gods and the afterlife

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
a reply to: gosseyn



Personally, the belief in God and prayer has helped me cope with my depression and the guilt I feel for wronging many people in my life. If that makes me "mentally ill" in your book, then so be it.

I can do this without any faith in a deity so why do you need to ?
It seems as though its a justification for why your life has turned out the way it has

"all a part of gods divine plan"

Relieving you of almost any personal responsibility , as long as you are square wae big Jock Tamson before you go
then its fine right ?


Seems like humans will use GOD or their religion as a reason to justify everything that happens in the world
instead of thinking that they had any hand in it .

Anyway if god has given us "free will"

to choose as it were

then its not much of a #in choice given that if we dont believe its a fiery hell
and if we do its heaven

doesnt seem like free will to me , seems like a loaded question

if choose not to believe you will burn , if you choose to believe its heaven

where is the free will choice there ? Like anyone would choose to burn for an eternity

a reply to: midnightstar

You nailed it midnightstar. Most people turn religion for ego. Your reason is pure heart. My experience is that God removes seperation between people and all of nature. We become one. Never being lonely again.

Could the disbelief in God be considered a mental illness?.
Only by mad atheists.

originally posted by: whereislogic
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Notice the media never even mentioning the word "evolution" when reporting on this phenomena or talking about the underlying psychology and thinking associated with such behaviour.
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Or when the topic of racism comes up in the mainstream media, which is quite a lot. Never ever do they mention "evolution" or some derivative word or connected name like Darwin, Dawkins, etc. when they are talking about racism.* (that is, in connection to racism) I guess they're too busy pointing the finger at (white) nationalists and supremacists (ignoring that supremacy ideologies is exactly what can result from what is taught in public evolutionary education, it functions as a stepping stone, laying the groundwork), seeing how popular evolutionary myths are amongst those working for most mainstream media and its owners and editors. Bunch of hypocrites in denial is what they are.

*: well, unless maybe to defend evolutionary myths/false stories as "science" and 'proper education' in response to those who are reminding people of any sort of connection to racism and the belief that black people are less evolved than white people (caucasians) and therefore closer in the false evolutionary storyline to apes (or our supposed apelike common ancestor).

Anyone willing to discuss the real insanity of it all? From the article about prejudice and discrimination that I quoted from before:

A good start is to acknowledge that none of us are above developing prejudices. The book Understanding Prejudice and Discrimination says: “Perhaps the most important conclusions to emerge from prejudice research are these: (1) no one capable of human thought and speech is immune from harboring prejudice, (2) it often takes deliberate effort and awareness to reduce prejudice, and (3) with sufficient motivation, it can be done.”

Education has been described as “the most powerful tool” in the fight against prejudice. The right education can, for example, expose the root causes of prejudice, enable us to examine our own attitudes more objectively, and help us deal wisely with prejudice when we are victims.

The wrong education (teaching evolutionary philosophies under the marketing-label "science" or as "fact") can have the opposite effect. At the very least it keeps people in the dark. When documentaries about WWII are shown on Discovery channel in Europe, they never mention "evolution" in that light either (in the light as in the video about "Human Zoos: America's Forgotten History of Scientific Racism" for example, and the connection to Fascism and National Socialism as for example in the first video about Haeckel that I linked). They won't mention Haeckel or Darwin either in their documentaries about WW II, in spite of the massive impact they had on German and Fascist thinking preceding WW I and II. Or where the ideas of all the influential top Nazi philosophers and scientists regarding the weeding out of the supposedly lesser evolved Jews and Slavs came from, or the idea that Aryans were the most evolved. Unless maybe to argue that none of this affects the supposed "fact of evolution" (see my first comment on page 3 for a response to that claim, or after that my comment on page 2). It's such a scam.

Oh btw, the term "scientific racism" as used in the video about that subject is utterly wrong, there's nothing scientific about these evolutionary philosophies, Darwin's philosophies, neo-Darwinism or Social Darwinism. And Darwin wasn't a scientist, his only degree was a Bachelor of Arts in the Divine Studies (nowadays called theology) received from Pagan philosophers posing as Christians at "Christ's College". Here are some more names of those who function primarily as philosophers and marketeers of philosophies (making a nice career out of their sales-expertise, or "made" if they're dead now):
Richard Dawkins
Lawrence Krauss
Stephen Hawking
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Bill Nye
Michio Kaku
Craig Venter
PZ Myers
Christopher Hitchens
Ernst Mayr (connected to the Rothschilds)
Ernst Haeckel
Adolf Hitler

All in the same category or class (of the ruler of this world) of people promoting and selling poisonous philosophies (see my signature) and themselves as people or educators worth listening to. I was using 2 meanings for the word "class" there (as a synonym for category and as an actual class of 'education', with the caveat that their propaganda isn't actually the same as education, but just to show that I was using the word the same way universities and schools use it, as in the expression: 'class of '87'; they are from the 'class of the ruler of this world' rather than any specific year).

a reply to: glend

I dont need organised religion to realise that , if you sit long enough in nature you realise that yourself
no book or preacher required.

We are already one , you dont need to pray , or do anything , we are already the manifestation of the supreme being just by existing , no need to chase god , or enlightenment .

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: glend

I dont need organised religion to realise that , if you sit long enough in nature you realise that yourself
no book or preacher required.

Which is why we have no recorded writings from Jesus himself. That itself is a teaching. Books are dead, but the spirit is alive in all of us. Sure, books help to further validate what we feel arising inside of us, but at the end of the day we are the full embodiment of the universe and have all the answers waiting to speak to us at the right time. I know this for sure because Jesus, our oldest brother, came and conquered death with that philosophy (Which ironically we wouldn't know if it wasn't for the writings.)

God is everywhere, he doesn't tell you to murder - that's the work of the devil. I think Islam is pure evil but that's for other people to decide for themselves.

France is a POS and I'd expect to see the good people stand up and oust the commies in the next election.

a reply to: sapien82

Good for you, but that doesn't mean that people of religion cannot attain enlightenment. When you boil it down, religion is for the brain, but the brain is also the wall between us and enlightenment. So religion might be an unnecessary step for some people. But others, trapped by the trappings of this world, need a helping hand in breaking down that wall.

a reply to: cooperton

I like your thinking cooperton. But at a certain level even knowing can obstruct. You just need the faith to jump into the abyss of spirituality, come what may. Akin to surrending yout life, at every level, to God.

No. Simply the 'belief' in something doesnt constitute a mental illness, it only shows that one has accepted thier ignorance concerning whatever it is that they 'believe' in. A mental illness could however make it easier to convince person with said illness to 'believe' in whatever is being pushed. A better question would be "Does organized religion target the mentally ill"?