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Could the belief in god considered a mental illness ?

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posted on Feb, 1 2020 @ 10:56 PM
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a reply to: TzarChasm




Feel free to illuminate the discussion at your leisure.


Thank you

But I'm sure we've both seen enough of that proof and evidence game.
Frankly if I may be so bold I can't keep from wondering why someone of your
caliber would persist in such mindless repetition? Are you so content with how
these debates constantly play out in a cookie cutter mundane fashion over and
over that you dare not even consider raising the bar of this discussion in any way
possible?

And I also think we both know that I can't prove anyone exists if and as long
as they remain continually absent. So for what proof really means to this
subject we should both have clearly in mind.. No I'm more interested in your
thoughts on the OP"s claims to fact? And how you expect someone like myself,
who could only dream of the the opportunities of your obvious education and
intelligence. How can you expect me to believe you are mentally incapable of
seeing which argument makes the most sense dispensing all proof. Forget proof
completely. Live dangerously for once in your life.

Also why would confidence seem weird to you Chaz?

Respectfully my good man.




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posted on Feb, 1 2020 @ 11:08 PM
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a reply to: gosseyn

Wrong.

Just in a mere century, atheism has killed more people than any religious belief.
Hitler facism - >80 million dead
Communism - even worse - > 100 million dead

If you go into the dead from abortions promoted by atheists , 10s of millions, PER YEAR.

So yes, based on FACTS, religion does make humans better ( some religions more than others) and per above, atheists ARE generally NOT a plus on the moral side....get off your high horse



posted on Feb, 2 2020 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: gosseyn

Taking scripture as literally the word of God and killing folk in his name is certainly a mental illness.

Believing in creation and realms beyond our own is reasonable and must be logical if it permeates our history and arose independently throughout many cultures.



posted on Feb, 2 2020 @ 03:34 PM
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not believing in God is unscientific, for many it is self evident. Rational debate is not needed, but it possible. Which give rise to scientific curiosity.



posted on Feb, 2 2020 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: gosseyn

FYI: You left out the word "be" in your title, and god should be God. You have 2 hours to make adjustments, should you choose to do so.


Have you ever noticed non-believers always use "g" instead of "G" when addressing God? IMO it is to belittle those of faith and blasphemy to God.


Who knew that Ggod has such a fragile ego that they would even care? Do people really think if there was an omnipotent being who has the power to create a reality like this, they would be affronted by such meaningless things? I wonder what that says about those believers who treat a supreme being like this? To actually believe that such an attitude or use of language would damn a person for eternity, I believe proves the OP's point very very well.



posted on Feb, 2 2020 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: joeyhalf

Im not questioning IF God exists...

when it comes to condemning others due to ones belief...

it is an illness

perhaps not so much mental as spiritual...

IMHO



That one has always bugged me the most from the religious. Even if you walk the right path: don't speak falsely, don't cheat, don't steal, treat others with kindness and respect when they have proven to be noble and not interfering with another person's free will when they are respecting other people's free will in turn....the religious will not consider you saved or are even willing to call you brother. If you don't follow their exact rule set, you are damned and imo it seems most of them relish your damnation. Just look at some of the biggest believers wishing for end times and eternal punishment for those not of the exact same sect.

To me, that says everything about the effects of religion on the human soul.



posted on Feb, 2 2020 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: ClovenSky
Without the belief in God, we are all prone to the delusions of our own good intentions.
Very dangerous way to live.
Without dialogue with that which is God,
we are a drift, and can pretty much convince our selves to justify anything.
Not all gods and equal.



posted on Feb, 2 2020 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: rom12345

And you just proved my point. Basically you believe that I can't possess honor and nobility if I don't believe in god.

Is simple belief in god enough? Or is simple belief in a higher power enough? Or do I need to follow man created texts to truly be good and saved?

What about all of those that do believe in god and follow some type of man created word/text that commits evil on a daily/weekly basis? How about those that believe in confession, is the slate wiped clean by simply saying some words to another human? So I can create acts of evil all day long and still be saved above someone who simply lives their life in peace and nobility?

If I were everything exemplified in the NT, but I didn't believe would you still call me brother?



posted on Feb, 2 2020 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: ClovenSky
Have you been tested in this way ?



posted on Feb, 3 2020 @ 02:44 AM
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originally posted by: rom12345
a reply to: ClovenSky
Without the belief in God, we are all prone to the delusions of our own good intentions.
Very dangerous way to live..



We are all prone to delusions it appears to be part of the human condition. Such delusional thinking could also explain the belief in a deity. A very dangerous way to live.



Without dialogue with that which is God,


Who has dialogue with God? Let me answer for you..no one.



we are a drift, and can pretty much convince our selves to justify anything.



Very true...so we each hold on to our own moral compass for good or bad.



Not all gods and equal.


I suppose yours is the best?

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posted on Feb, 3 2020 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: midicon
The moral compass of humans is faulty, even with best intentions.
We must heed the lessons learned over thousands of years.
There is only one God.



posted on Feb, 3 2020 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: rom12345
a reply to: midicon
The moral compass of humans is faulty, even with best intentions.
We must heed the lessons learned over thousands of years.
There is only one God.


I challenge you to point out a flawless moral compass in any creature from any world. But then the question becomes, how does a broken moral compass decide what a perfect one looks like?



posted on Feb, 3 2020 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: rom12345
a reply to: midicon
The moral compass of humans is faulty, even with best intentions.



I don't disagree although the same applies to the human concept of God, even with the best of intentions.



We must heed the lessons learned over thousands of years.


Smashing, what lessons would they be?



There is only one God.


Sadly if there is a God, and only one at that, he seems quite ineffectual and impotent.



Without dialogue with that which is God,


You never answered my question, who has dialogue with God? I did answer it for you so maybe you agree...no one.



posted on Feb, 3 2020 @ 09:43 AM
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I don't understand why people believe in the god of the bible or other holy books because they are filled with dangerous nonsense like stoning witches.

Is it a mental illness? No.. it's a belief but it can easily turn into a mental illness as ive seen before..



posted on Feb, 3 2020 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: rom12345

Yea you mean the tortue and death over thousands of years using ancient holy books? Im not saying humanity would be any better without holy books, but it's not like they helped much in history..

If there is only one god why doesn't he send a new savior and make a holy book that makes sense and doesn't call gor stoning witches and exiling gays?



posted on Feb, 3 2020 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: blueman12
Have you ever suffered a witch ?



posted on Feb, 3 2020 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: rom12345
a reply to: blueman12
Have you ever suffered a witch ?



How can anyone suffer a witch when there is no such thing, that is in the real sense. Of course there are those who claim to be (and I know a few) but no one can cast spells and make magical potions. It's just delusional thinking and a sort of running away from reality in an attempt to make their lives more interesting and meaningful. Sad really.

You still haven't answered my question, who has dialogue with God? A straight answer would be nice...at least better than a silly deflective statement.



posted on Feb, 3 2020 @ 10:41 AM
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it is deception with the art of manipulation, it is a wicked as hell.
In our time, in the scientific literature is called Narcissism.
It is the Jezebel sprit in more ancient explanations.
Delusional or not, ignore old wisdom at your peril.

Most will discard factual reality, if it is beneficial.
When a story (with agenda), supersedes factual reality (truth)
this is witch craft. Those who have burned witches, where suffering from it.

To believe in God, is to believe, if nothing else, In immutable Truth.
And to be in constant vigilance, to check our intentions.
Hopefully with some insight.





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posted on Feb, 3 2020 @ 10:45 AM
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a reply to: gosseyn

Nothing to see here, just ISIS converts. Islamic community isn't doing their job on ratting out bad people. If they did, you would have no issues.



posted on Feb, 3 2020 @ 10:56 AM
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You still haven't answered my question, who has dialogue with God? A straight answer would be nice...at least better than a silly deflective statement.


The Truth is God
The mechanism of dialogue and discernment is the Holy Spirt
The example, and compass is The Son.
With out this three fold mechanism of thought, I don't think it's possible for 99.99% of humans to not develop mental illness.

The fallen, is Lucifer.
The Redeemer is Jesus

These things represent real maters of the human spirit,
What is delusional is to believe that we as individuals know the truth.
believing that God doe not exists, seems more delusional than believing he does.

What power do we give to those who can define "ill" thought.
Their reputation precedes them
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