UK computer retailer forced to pull ad because the three people in it were men

UK computer retailer forced to pull ad because the three people in it were men

Maybe one identfies as a woman.

DOH!

The 21st century is all about how people feelz not what's on the outside.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

And while history shouldn't be forgotten, we also need to move past it instead of loading that chip onto every successive generation's shoulders. You fought; your daughter doesn't need to.

You're a guy right?

You think my daughter and grand-daughter don't still have to fight for gender equality?

Obviously, from the subject of this thread - - they do.

I thought you were already in the process of trying to transition them.

Truly dumb comment.

Of course, you think its a joke.

Hey, no more so than yours.

There are more choices today for women than ever before. An ad not showing women does not stop women from making YouTube videos on just about any subject, creating an online business, or using a computer in general. People, you included, just want to whine for the sake of it at this point.

Perhaps you should direct your ire about gender equality towards areas where its truly needed, like middle east countries.

You know its funny, I remember in the states when they had the school crisis for girls...because schools were traditionally set up to teach in a way that helped boys learn so girls struggled.

Problem is they swung to far the other direction, now boys drop out more, fewer go to college, more are homeless, more commit suicide, good role models for boys (on TV, movies etc) are disappearing and we either get the caricature of a male or males are the butt of jokes shown to be incompetent while girls are shown to breeze through life with never making a mistake or struggling.

Saw recently for the firs time since WW2 there are more women in the workforce than men.

Are there still problem areas in the west sure, always will be but it is not even remotely close to the way it used to be and if we want actual gender equality we need to stop trying to "make up" for the past and try to reach a level playing field for both genders.

originally posted by: Irishhaf

Are there still problem areas in the west sure, always will be but it is not even remotely close to the way it used to be and if we want actual gender equality we need to stop trying to "make up" for the past and try to reach a level playing field for both genders.

I like this part.

But, its still a white man's world.

There are some in this thread who keep trying to bring transgender into this discussion. Extremism, joke, whatever.

Here is an article by Ben Bares, a neuroscientist, who started life as Barbara.

He tells of his actual experiences on how he was treated different as Barbara, a woman - - and how he was treated as Ben, a man.

Barres devoted much of his last decade to publicly describing the challenges he had faced as a woman in science, and offering ways to correct a system that he viewed as fundamentally biased against the advancement of women and minorities.

www.nature.com...

a reply to: Annee

Oh, please! If there were no differences *at all*, then why the need to be transgender?

originally posted by: Annee
But, its still a white man's world.

There are some in this thread who keep trying to bring transgender into this discussion. Extremism, joke, whatever.

Here is an article by Ben Bares, a neuroscientist, who started life as Barbara.

He tells of his actual experiences on how he was treated different as Barbara, a woman - - and how he was treated as Ben, a man.



Barres devoted much of his last decade to publicly describing the challenges he had faced as a woman in science, and offering ways to correct a system that he viewed as fundamentally biased against the advancement of women and minorities.


www.nature.com...

Nice article, so lets put it into perspective shall we? After all, the world is not a static place, is it?

Here's a relevant paragraph from this article:

Barres was raised in West Orange, New Jersey and loved mathematics and science from an early age. He never felt comfortable being treated as a girl. At school, Barres repeatedly requested, but was denied, access to courses in science and engineering. A summer science programme with no gender restrictions at Columbia University in New York City finally provided access to these subjects, and led him to pursue a bachelor of science degree in biology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge.

Let's see when this struggle he talks about happened, shall we?

Barres was raised in West Orange, New Jersey and loved mathematics and science from an early age. He never felt comfortable being treated as a girl. At school, Barres repeatedly requested, but was denied, access to courses in science and engineering.

Since he died in 2017 at the age of 63, that places his birth at 1954. His bad experiences as a school child up to college at around 1959 - 1972 (at age 18).

I have no doubt this was bad t that time, but it HAS improved over the intervening 47 years. So, what bothers me is there is no recognition of this incredible advancement in this area. All while the media and current LGBQT+ community takes the corner-cases and exceptions and heralds them as commonplace.

That, IMO, in conjunction with blaming current men who were either children at that time or were never even part of that repression, as the main reason for the backlash against this today. We were not the ones repressing this group, so why are we and the boys today being bombarded with this stuff now?

a reply to: Krakatoa


I know what the article says and when it was written.

There has not been much change in gender equality since then. Some, but not much. Awareness is a slow mover.

Hence, we still have incdents and threads like this.

*in Mrs Garrison voice*

awww I HATE MEN

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Krakatoa


I know what the article says and when it was written.

There has not been much change in gender equality since then. Some, but not much. Awareness is a slow mover.

Hence, we still have incdents and threads like this.

Please, don't insult us all by that statement. There has been a LOT of progress in that time-frame. The fact that you ignore (or worse reject) that fact speaks volumes toward your position that "white men are bad". It doesn't matter to you because of your disgusting bigotry, yes BIGOTRY, toward a person simply due to how they were born.

Isn't that what the LGBTQ+ community is supposed to fight against? But, of course, it's OK when you do not target your own side. See how that works, either way it is disgusting in not welcome.

Sad really since that attitude is what is keeping the bigotry against the LBGTQ+ community alive.

Just stop, accept that progress has been done, then attack the INDIVIDUAL case. Or, go after another countries culture that still openly stones, kills, and tortures LBGTQ+ members ion their own country and culture. There is a LOT more of them now than white male "oppressors".

a reply to: JIMC5499

I deduce that they did not fail the guidelines.

I speculate that there was indeed a female in the group, and if you say there were no women presented, then you are part of the problem, because you have a bias as to what a woman must look like.

Because the one person did not wear a tradition hearing assistive device, again your assumptions prove you are part of the problem, and think the hearing impaired are invisible and not worth including.

Just throwing out a possible defense.

By the way the "you" I use in my post does not mean "you" JIMC5499.

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Krakatoa


I know what the article says and when it was written.

There has not been much change in gender equality since then. Some, but not much. Awareness is a slow mover.

Hence, we still have incdents and threads like this.

Please, don't insult us all by that statement. There has been a LOT of progress in that time-frame. The fact that you ignore (or worse reject) that fact speaks volumes toward your position that "white men are bad". It doesn't matter to you because of your disgusting bigotry, yes BIGOTRY, toward a person simply due to how they were born.

Isn't that what the LGBTQ+ community is supposed to fight against? But, of course, it's OK when you do not target your own side. See how that works, either way it is disgusting in not welcome.

Sad really since that attitude is what is keeping the bigotry against the LBGTQ+ community alive.

Just stop, accept that progress has been done, then attack the INDIVIDUAL case. Or, go after another countries culture that still openly stones, kills, and tortures LBGTQ+ members ion their own country and culture. There is a LOT more of them now than white male "oppressors".

Again - - culture vs culture - - I'm not going there.

I'm 73 - - have 2 daughters, and a granddaughter - - I've watched/experienced gender equality evolve for quite awhile.

Show me where I said "white men are bad".


What does LGBTQ+ have to do with this?

a reply to: Annee

In seriousness, I have been a registered professional engineer in the USA for almost 2 decades. I've been a project manager for nearly 15 years. As a PM part of my job involves project financials, including determining project cost estimates based on individual's anticipated hours to complete a task and their hourly wage rates. Females in the engineering world make, on average, 10-12% more an hour than Male counterparts right out of the gate and that increases to 20+% more if they have experience required to be considered a "specialist" or "subject matter expert" over males with the same, or even greater qualifications. Dont tell me "it's a man's world" or any sob stories about how hard it is for women in the professional fields in 2020 because its bullsnip.
People with the gender biases you exhibit are trying to simultaneously project perpetual victimhood alongside illusions of strength, which make as much sense as a nun moonlighting as a whore.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Irishhaf

Are there still problem areas in the west sure, always will be but it is not even remotely close to the way it used to be and if we want actual gender equality we need to stop trying to "make up" for the past and try to reach a level playing field for both genders.

I like this part.

But, its still a white man's world.

There are some in this thread who keep trying to bring transgender into this discussion. Extremism, joke, whatever.

Here is an article by Ben Bares, a neuroscientist, who started life as Barbara.

He tells of his actual experiences on how he was treated different as Barbara, a woman - - and how he was treated as Ben, a man.

Barres devoted much of his last decade to publicly describing the challenges he had faced as a woman in science, and offering ways to correct a system that he viewed as fundamentally biased against the advancement of women and minorities.

www.nature.com...

I notice it was Academia that hindered him during his time as a woman. Imagine that.

Also, must not be much of a man's world these days.

Currently, at my place of employment, we have a Lesbian leveraging her sexual preference and gender to get a couple people fired, and get herself a promotion in the process.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Krakatoa


I know what the article says and when it was written.

There has not been much change in gender equality since then. Some, but not much. Awareness is a slow mover.

Hence, we still have incdents and threads like this.

Please, don't insult us all by that statement. There has been a LOT of progress in that time-frame. The fact that you ignore (or worse reject) that fact speaks volumes toward your position that "white men are bad". It doesn't matter to you because of your disgusting bigotry, yes BIGOTRY, toward a person simply due to how they were born.

Isn't that what the LGBTQ+ community is supposed to fight against? But, of course, it's OK when you do not target your own side. See how that works, either way it is disgusting in not welcome.

Sad really since that attitude is what is keeping the bigotry against the LBGTQ+ community alive.

Just stop, accept that progress has been done, then attack the INDIVIDUAL case. Or, go after another countries culture that still openly stones, kills, and tortures LBGTQ+ members ion their own country and culture. There is a LOT more of them now than white male "oppressors".

Again - - culture vs culture - - I'm not going there.

Why wont you go there? Are they not as womanly as you and your daughters? If you support women, then you should support all women instead of being a coward.

I'm 73 - - have 2 daughters, and a granddaughter - - I've watched/experienced gender equality evolve for quite awhile.

So you've seen it get better than it was.

Show me where I said "white men are bad".

Isn't it implied whenever you bring up that "its still a white man's world"?

What does LGBTQ+ have to do with this?

Trans women belong to that group, no?

tel them to do the add again.
with thire mums standing over gamer kids.
and at the end lets see the dads as drag queens
that are not white. cut the legs of one of them.
oh only two days. the other mum has No dad at all.
the kid can be called jesus, the resurrection.

a reply to: Annee

I like this part.

But, its still a white man's world.

There are some in this thread who keep trying to bring transgender into this discussion. Extremism, joke, whatever.

Here is an article by Ben Bares, a neuroscientist, who started life as Barbara.

He tells of his actual experiences on how he was treated different as Barbara, a woman - - and how he was treated as Ben, a man.

Mind explaining how what I said had to do with transgender?

I pointed out how changes to benefit girls 40 years ago have swung the pendulum to the far side of fair and equal justice, with the fact that more boys drop out, more girls make it to college, more boys commit suicide and more women are in the workforce than men... and you fire back with transgender??? a group that is about .5% of the population in the united states and has zero to do with what I said...

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Krakatoa


I know what the article says and when it was written.

There has not been much change in gender equality since then. Some, but not much. Awareness is a slow mover.

Hence, we still have incdents and threads like this.

This twaddle is complete and utter bullspit. Just because you keep spouting something dishonest & not reflective of reality over and over again does NOT make it reality, no matter how hard you try to delude others.

I'm able to vote, file for divorce -- sue my way out of marriage if need be it. Hell, I'm even entitled to alimony, child support, the kids AND the house and everything in it. Men do not get that windfall, lady.

I'm able to work and earn just as much as or MORE than my male counterparts. I've never come across anyone who, either via length of employment or skills seniority, has earned less than their male coworkers. NONE of them. None of them had any problems getting into the college classes of their choice, either, let alone had any issues getting the job they wanted at the end. Even those who never set foot in a college never had any trouble getting work.

The sticking point they keep bitching about is that they lose seniority and pay if they break from work to have kids. Well, no s#, Sherlock, welcome to life. Anyone who takes a "break" from work to do something else loses those edges, it's not a conspiracy against procreating women. If you want to be a top dog in the rat race, motherhood doesn't jive. Get it through your heads, it's GOING to reset the playing field for you whether you like it or not.

Speaking of kids, we're also free to say "No" to sex, or abort all together if we wish. The sticking point there with the fight over the laws is mainly religious, and there's just as many bullheaded women with their heads up someone else's vagina as there are men trying to say when life starts or doesn't. That argument as an issue is thus MOOT at best. And if you're going to try to say they're brainwashed by men and it's still a conspiracy, there's no help for someone that illogical. People can come to their own conclusions without a conspiracy theory excuse heaped on them because they didn't slack up accordingly to feminist ideals.

Property -- I'm free to own it, sell it, trade it, take it when unclaimed/abandoned. Where the F is the crushing anti-women problem there?

Comedy is one that's under attack more unfairly than anything else. If I want to make a boob joke, then as the owner of boobs, I'm GOING to make a boob joke. Same for dumb blonde jokes, vagina jokes, stupid woman jokes, etc. Self-deprecating humor is very liberating, and damn good for the soul. If you cannot laugh at yourself, then go sit in the corner and cry. There's nothing left in this life for you to do other than that.

Edit: I can absolutely keep going here, if you need any further examples. We are more free in life than men are at this point.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Krakatoa


I know what the article says and when it was written.

There has not been much change in gender equality since then. Some, but not much. Awareness is a slow mover.

Hence, we still have incdents and threads like this.

Has no one ever thought that maybe girls just *DON'T WANT TO*? I grew up through the '80s. I was recognized early as gifted, and even though at the time there was no open spot in the gifted program, every effort was made to see to it that I had advanced programming including accelerated math.

As soon as space opened I was in.

By the time I hit middle and high school, no class was denied me. All the other girls were treated the same, and yet, only a hand full took the math and science courses while we all took advanced English courses. I know there was no patronizing treatment from the teachers. You were good unless you were an idiot, and boys were as likely to be idiots as girls.

It may just be that "gasp* men and woman are indeed different. Our brains tend to function differently, and women prefer things other than the hard STEM disciplines as a general rule. And what people who want to see a disparity in numbers and scream "discrimination" are really seeing is a result of free choice.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Krakatoa


I know what the article says and when it was written.

There has not been much change in gender equality since then. Some, but not much. Awareness is a slow mover.

Hence, we still have incdents and threads like this.

This twaddle is complete and utter bullspit. Just because you keep spouting something dishonest & not reflective of reality over and over again does NOT make it reality, no matter how hard you try to delude others.

I'm able to vote, file for divorce -- sue my way out of marriage if need be it. Hell, I'm even entitled to alimony, child support, the kids AND the house and everything in it. Men do not get that windfall, lady.

I'm able to work and earn just as much as or MORE than my male counterparts. I've never come across anyone who, either via length of employment or skills seniority, has earned less than their male coworkers. NONE of them. None of them had any problems getting into the college classes of their choice, either, let alone had any issues getting the job they wanted at the end. Even those who never set foot in a college never had any trouble getting work.

The sticking point they keep bitching about is that they lose seniority and pay if they break from work to have kids. Well, no s#, Sherlock, welcome to life. Anyone who takes a "break" from work to do something else loses those edges, it's not a conspiracy against procreating women. If you want to be a top dog in the rat race, motherhood doesn't jive. Get it through your heads, it's GOING to reset the playing field for you whether you like it or not.

Speaking of kids, we're also free to say "No" to sex, or abort all together if we wish. The sticking point there with the fight over the laws is mainly religious, and there's just as many bullheaded women with their heads up someone else's vagina as there are men trying to say when life starts or doesn't. That argument as an issue is thus MOOT at best. And if you're going to try to say they're brainwashed by men and it's still a conspiracy, there's no help for someone that illogical. People can come to their own conclusions without a conspiracy theory excuse heaped on them because they didn't slack up accordingly to feminist ideals.

Property -- I'm free to own it, sell it, trade it, take it when unclaimed/abandoned. Where the F is the crushing anti-women problem there?

Comedy is one that's under attack more unfairly than anything else. If I want to make a boob joke, then as the owner of boobs, I'm GOING to make a boob joke. Same for dumb blonde jokes, vagina jokes, stupid woman jokes, etc. Self-deprecating humor is very liberating, and damn good for the soul. If you cannot laugh at yourself, then go sit in the corner and cry. There's nothing left in this life for you to do other than that.

Edit: I can absolutely keep going here, if you need any further examples. We are more free in life than men are at this point.

a reply to: trollz

To me this is not a case of people being offended it's more about a prominent company in an industry marketing unisex products with adverts that appear to be only aimed at men. The gaming and computing industry is male dominated and has been for a long time. I studied computing and i was the only female in a class of 40. But there are definitely a growing number of females into computers. To be honest an advert like this would make me think they were conforming to a stereotype thats a bit tired and I'd be happier if they included a female. Im not offended by it, just mildly disappointed that a stereotype is being churned out that ultimately contributes to.the lack of females in the industry as it promotes the idea that computer experts are always men. This is type of social psychological stereotyping but in no way is it offensive. People seem more offended by the fact the advert had to be changed