The Ukrainian Flight that Crashed in Iran WAS shot down by a missile!

a reply to: Zaphod58

I'm saying they'd find a better way to do it

Conjecture, and we'd probably never know either way anyway

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Yes, based on history. When Iran mined the Gulf and hit several tankers and the USS Samuel B Roberts, we launched Operation Praying Mantis and ended up in a pretty serious shooting situation with them. It only stopped when Washington overlooked the use of Silkworm missiles and both sides backed down.

When the USS Vincennes shot down Iran Air 655, there was a strongly worded protest.

a reply to: IrateCanadian

"Highly likely according to the US".

Translation:

Our government lies about everything and theres no reason to believe this either.

a reply to: gladtobehere

Except for, you know, the actual evidence that is out there pointing to a missile.

Geolocation confirmed of the missile strike video.



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The video is damning evidence, if not for the videos and photo evidence, the engine manufacturers and Boeing would be demanding a real investigation, and would be in hot water. These videos and photos just saved these companies millions in lawsuits. Good. Iran can go to hell.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Iran is looking for plausible deniability around the downing of Flight PS752. This terrible event was no "accident". Iran's military's centralised command and control systems deter decision making outside of the senior ranks in the armed forces and government. So the likely hood of human error involved with this terrible incident is shallow.

My questions surround Iran's motivations behind the shootdown. Perhaps they are testing the waters. They may wish to find out what the international community will tolerate before going to outright war with Iran.

originally posted by: xpert11
a reply to: Zaphod58

They may wish to find out what the international community will tolerate before going to outright war with Iran.

Yes ofc.



Lied about I

Iraq

Afghanistan

Syria

Libya

Yet you think the narrative is the truth this time.

BREAKING NEWS
official Canadian casualty is now 57 not 63 anymore

a reply to: purplemer

So the US was able to move a missile launcher into Tehran, shoot this plane down, and get it back out, and no one in the city or their military noticed? If the site had been taken over, by any means, Iran has deniability. The only other option is that the US fired a missile from outside Iran, calculating when and where a plane would be and got lucky.

There's video showing an apparent missile impact, that has been geolocated, by a group not related to the government, to an area that would have seen exactly what it showed. There are pictures released, by Iran, that show impact damage from something exploding outside the aircraft. There are videos from Tehran that clearly show the aircraft on fire before impact. The debris field shows the aircraft broke up before impact. Transponder data, from independent sources, show the aircraft reaching 8,000 feet before suddenly ending.

So, exactly what other narrative should we believe?

they've had time to turn the black box into a suicide vest by now.
Or maybe it was a bird.a reply to: billjenkins589

Iran says it unintentionally shot down the Ukrainian plane that crashed outside of Tehran on Wednesday killing 176 people.

In a statement from Iran's Armed Forces General Staff, it is said that the plane was "accidentally hit by a human error".

www.newshub.co.nz...

originally posted by: Zaphod58

Iran says it unintentionally shot down the Ukrainian plane that crashed outside of Tehran on Wednesday killing 176 people.

In a statement from Iran's Armed Forces General Staff, it is said that the plane was "accidentally hit by a human error".

www.newshub.co.nz...

What a step in the right direction! 20 years ago they would have gone full stupid making some absolutely stupid excuse. I see a ray of light shining out of Iran!

a reply to: TheGoondockSaint

Don't give them too much credit yet. They changed it yet again.

Iran announced early Saturday that it had accidentally shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet, blaming human error because of what it called the plane’s sharp, unexpected turn toward a sensitive military base, according to a statement issued by the country’s military.

The Iranian military's statement said the plane “took the flying posture and altitude of an enemy target” as it came close to an Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps base. It said that “under these circumstances, because of human error,” the plane “came under fire.”

www.nytimes.com...

Straight from the horses mouth...

A shocking admission by Iran that it in fact shot down the Ukrainian passenger jet by mistake, blaming human error, apologizing to their own people. Will be blaming muh Trump by morning.

🤔"missiles" plural.


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a reply to: EndtheMadnessNow

Yes, standard doctrine is to fire two missiles, see what happens, and fire again if necessary.

This is ridiculous. They were not even being attacked. I could see if the US was using air power to attack and a plane was shot down, even if the FAA said no-fly, it could be spun. Not here. They really screwed up bad.

Where is the international outrage for shooting down a civilian airliner in your own airspace? It is not like they accidentally shot down a military aircraft, not that it would be ok but it could be there and accidents in wartime and training happen. This was negligence to the highest degree. Obviously they did not pay for the extra Russian training on the software...

They need to be held responsible for every death on that plane.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: AaarghZombies
There is vid of the missile strike. Whoever shot the vid was probably trying to film the missile and ended up catching that moment.

The plane went down over two hours later, the first event was over a long time before the video was filmed, unless of course you are suggesting that they had advanced warning that another one would be fired off?

originally posted by: matafuchs
This is ridiculous. They were not even being attacked. I could see if the US was using air power to attack and a plane was shot down, even if the FAA said no-fly, it could be spun. Not here. They really screwed up bad.

Where is the international outrage for shooting down a civilian airliner in your own airspace? It is not like they accidentally shot down a military aircraft, not that it would be ok but it could be there and accidents in wartime and training happen. This was negligence to the highest degree. Obviously they did not pay for the extra Russian training on the software...

They need to be held responsible for every death on that plane.

Given the number of civilian skilled accidentally by us forces, particularly drone strikes, its unwise to call for outrage. That outrage can and will be weaponized against Washington.

a reply to: purplemer

The threat of intentional shooting down civilian airlines dates back to the 1970s. At the height of the Rhodesian Bush War, Air Rhodesia Flights 825 and 827, shoot down by Joshua Nkomo's Soviet-backed Zipra forces. The shoot downs occurred in the vicinity of Kariba, Rhodesia. If one is outraged by the international communities fairy mute response to the downing of Flight PS752, they have not come across the previously mentioned Rhodesia disasters. The international community ignored the incidents in Rhodesia to suit their own political ends.