Prince Harry and Prince Andrew....hmmm

originally posted by: Boadicea

Uh oh... looks like I have to eat a little crow... maybe...

Michelle & Barack Obama Are 'Not Advising, Not in Contact with' Prince Harry & Meghan Markle: Sources

Reports of Michelle and Barack Obama offering advice to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle over their "step back" from the royal family are "totally false"

The former president and first lady are not advising the couple and have not been in contact with them,” says one source close to the Obamas...

He said/she said I guess... dueling unnamed sources... but I can sure see why the Obamas wouldn't want to be associated with this train wreck... Especially folks thinking this was all their idea!

I don't think so I have seen a picture of Harry and Obama sitting quite relaxed

and deep in conversation, plus,

Barack and Michelle Obama have advised the Sussex's on their plans for a
new life outside of the Royal Family
Harry and Megan have become close friends with the former US President and
his lawyer.

www.pressreader.com...

a reply to: eletheia
a reply to: angelchemuel

It's occurred to me that with the mental/emotional issues that Harry himself has spoken of, there's a real good chance that Harry is taking antidepressants or another psychiatric medication. That may be messing with his head/heart as much as anything else.

But I also think -- and the links you've brought up, Elethia, seem to further confirm it -- that Meghan is playing her own head and heart games with Harry.

I hope I hope I hope that this time with his family -- and away from Meghan -- will give Harry a much needed chance to let his family back into his heart and his life. She has really isolated him. It's crazy to me that it's come to this and especially so quickly. He's not just "stepping back" from royal duties, he's turning his back on his family.

I think if anyone can reach him, it will be Kate. She's both an insider and an outsider. They seemed to have a close relationship before Meghan. Kate understands Harry, the brothers, and the family. She's probably furious, but probably also worried... and I'll bet she misses Harry and their friendship.

I wonder if a DNA test on their child revealed something unfortunate.

Who cares? leave em alone..they took off to get away from the press in Britain.

originally posted by: Boadicea

It's occurred to me that with the mental/emotional issues that Harry himself has spoken of, there's a real good chance that Harry is taking antidepressants or another psychiatric medication. That may be messing with his head/heart as much as anything else.
Meghan is playing her own head and heart games with Harry.

Your post brought to mind a recent case of minipulation, control and mind games I

read about the sexes were reversed but the 'mental acrobatics' are the same

Sally was only 16 when she met 22 year old Richard. At first he was charming but gradually the abuse began. He bullied and belittled her, controlled their money and who she was friends with, not allowing her to socialise without him. If she challenged him, he would turn it back on her and make her feel she was going mad. Although Sally did manage at one point to leave Richard, even starting divorce proceedings, she was so emotionally dependent on him that she soon returned, even signing a ‘post nuptial’ agreement he drew up that denied her full financial entitlement in the divorce and forbade her from interrupting him or speaking to strangers.

Sally killed Richard in 2010 after years of being controlled and humiliated by him. At the time of her conviction, ‘coercive control’ was not a cri
me in England and Wales, only recently becoming recognised in law as a form of domestic abuse.
Coercive control is a way of understanding domestic violence which foregrounds the psychological abuse and can involve manipulation, degradation, gaslighting (using mind games to make the other person doubt their sanity) and generally monitoring and controlling the person’s day-to-day life such as their friends, activities and clothing. This often leads to the abused becoming isolated and dependent on the abuser.

Then the following was reported ........
www.dailymail.co.uk...

Unhappy, grumpy Harry attended a dinner party where there were rumblings that married life with Meghan was not going well.
Last autumn, Harry was guest of honour at a large private dinner party in London. The evening was intended to boost support for one of his favourite charities but the Prince was apparently in a foul mood. He was annoyed by other guests asking where his wife was and snapped back that she was at home with Archie – which was where he should be. Guests came away thinking that this was a young man who was unhappy and angry and didn’t mind letting everyone know.

Shortly afterwards, the Sussexes decamped to North America to spend the Thanksgiving holiday with Meghan’s mother, Doria Ragland. They stayed there until last week when they returned to drop their bombshell announcement.

For those who were at that dinner, it was startlingly obvious that something serious was up. Either Prince Harry was going to have to find a way to come to terms with his life, whatever that meant, or he was going to have to make a dramatic change.

a reply to: eletheia

Well, that's enough for me, she's a narcissist and possibly gasslighting Harry too.
She clearly doesn't understand how much the UK populace have watched Harry grow up, 'held space' for him in the aftermath of his mothers death, laughed at his antics as a teenager, admired his determination whilst in the forces and supported him in his charitable ventures such as Invictus in his life after.

For long standing Royalists, I am sure they had reservations about Meghan, not because of her colour at all, but simply because they could see she was awkward 'settling in' with what is expected of a royal. But she was given the benefit of the doubt, including all the debacle over her family leading up to the marriage. But the minute the ring was on her finger things began to change. Maybe there was some truth to what her sister and father were saying about her and it was just their way of sounding off warning shots....nothing at all to do with them wanting to be part of 'The Firm'?

Meghan did not realise she was marrying into an 'institution' and that will be preserved at all costs. Given time she will come to realise she has bitten off more than she can chew. Whichever way their marriage goes, she has hammered the last nail into her own coffin for Royalists, she will not come back from this. As with all divorces people will take sides. Right now, the people are aghast and concerned about Harry and feel betrayed by his actions. So as his 'step parents', the country, are meeting out 'tough love'...you've made your bed now lie in it. Whether their marriage survives or not, people will not forget the way the pair of them have treated the Queen and by proxy the institution and the people.
If they do end up divorcing, there is a way back for Harry, but the ace up Meghan's sleeve......is Archie. I have no doubt in my mind that she does not want another. Her total narcissistic and megalomaniac wont allow her to entertain that thought......she has no idea about the concept of 'heir and spare'.

It will be interesting to see what damage limitation The Firm comes up with .....

Rainbows
Jane

double post for some reason...sorry

Rainbows
Jane

Triple post, apologies again

Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: eletheia

I've been catching up this morning over at the Daily Mail... just crazy. But the comments are bringing up many of the same points and scenarios with narcissists that you have. It all certainly fits with what we know. And then there's this:

Meghan Markle was 'on the brink': Prince Harry agreed to quit the Royal family and fast-tracked plans as he feared his 'unsettled' wife would have a 'meltdown' if she remained in the UK

A meltdown? Really??? That's almost as bad as her whining in a third world country because no one really asks HER how SHE is doing...

I can understand her not appreciating the royal hierarchy and protocols. I can understand her not enjoying the restrictions on her new life as a Duchess. I can even understand her not getting along with her new in-laws. But her every freaking need is taken care of -- in luxury! -- and no doubt many of her wants as well. I cannot understand for the life of me how she ever thought it was a good idea to complain about herself while in a place where people are starving, violence is rampant, and healthcare is almost non-existent for most. I don't think there's a better example of her narcissism.

Meghan has never known real hardship. I doubt she has any idea how it comes across to those who have known true hardship. I doubt she has any real empathy at all. Even her "charity" work is just to pat herself on the back.

The comments on all the DM articles are brutal. The polls are almost as bad. Meghan is not winning this PR war. And she's driving her "friends" away in droves. No one is going to take her side in this and alienate the Queen (and the future Kings).

I wonder if Harry has ill feelings against the firm in regards to his mother.
So is protecting Meghan and child by distancing them from the firm.

originally posted by: glend
I wonder if Harry has ill feelings against the firm in regards to his mother.
So is protecting Meghan and child by distancing them from the firm.

She had left the 'firm' when she died .......her death was the fault of a drunk

driver and not the media press. Diana had learnt how to deal with the press

and use them to her advantage,

Kate too had to learn to deal with the press.......remember the paparazzi had

taken topless pictures of her, (I think it was on her honeymoon) when they were

in a Villa miles from anywhere.

a reply to: eletheia
a reply to: angelchemuel

This is interesting:

This came as a blow as Meghan is facing a US tax bill in April after IRS officials spent months studying the Sussexes’ accounts, assets and even baby Archie’s presents.

As an American citizen, Meghan is liable for taxes on all her earnings, gifts, job perks and even on funds she could be entitled to draw from Harry’s finances.

Showdown at Sandringham: Royals to thrash out split deal...with Meghan on the phone

It is not sourced at all, so I have no idea where that came from, and I seriously doubt any IRS officials have been looking at "Archie's presents" or anything else this year. Maybe last year, but not this year. It's true that Meghan is still a U.S. citizen, and beholden to the tax laws hereof. They married in 2018, so she would have been married when she filed last year. I'm assuming she filed last year. They may very well be looking over last year's numbers -- whether she filed or not -- especially if they think she lowballed them. So they might be looking at the value of wedding presents...

originally posted by: Boadicea

Showdown at Sandringham: Royals to thrash out split deal...with Meghan on the phone

Lol !!! Whats the betting she puts the phone down on them?


A link from her agent/business advisor/and one time friend. Cant

get it to copy and paste.....cant say its flattering, but it states

*Megan gets what Megan wants* that says it all.

www.pressreader.com...

originally posted by: eletheia

Lol !!! Whats the betting she puts the phone down on them?

Haha! Wouldn't put it past her... but I'll bet dollars to donuts she'll have an audio recorder listening!

*Megan gets what Megan wants* that says it all.

www.pressreader.com...

And once she gets once she wants, she moves on and leaves you in her dust. It's always the same story, eh?

Need a DNA test on Harry , he has no royal blood!
Google James Hewitt!

originally posted by: EnglishDNA
Need a DNA test on Harry , he has no royal blood!
Google James Hewitt!

Welcome to ATS Did you join with that old chestnut in mind?

Diana did not meet James Hewitt till two years AFTER the birth of

Harry (15.09.84)

Diana’s affair with Army officer James Hewitt lasted from 1986 to 1991. He was a total cad, sadly just another sponger off Diana, he tried to sell the 64 “love letters” she wrote to him around 2003, he was asking about £10 million, so much for loving her passionately. Happily the reaction to this news was so violently opposed that he didn’t cross that line.

If this is a subtle way of asking could Hewitt possible be the father of Prince Harry, Diana’s marriage didn’t begin to break down until after Harry was born,

www.quora.com...

/SMH

*Ginger* is a trait of the Spencer family one of her sisters is as ginger as they come