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originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Bernie Sanders is a climate change denier. He denies owning 3 homes for two people is somehow having no impact on anything. Same goes for the rest of them. They are the real deniers.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Bernie Sanders is a climate change denier. He denies owning 3 homes for two people is somehow having no impact on anything. Same goes for the rest of them. They are the real deniers.
Oh, they figure that because they're better and smarter than the rest of us, they should just have more and better while they force all the rest of us to live exactly how they say we should. Because if they can make that happen, then the few lords who live on high won't have enough impact to matter.
And this is why I take everything them and people like them tell me with a grain of salt, massive, unlike many, many others who apparently cannot wait to become dirt grubbing peasants again.
originally posted by: rickymouse
Science is used to rape the people more than to help the people. If they took the money they want to collect from us and used it to actually do the right thing instead of feeding it to scientists who profit by collecting evidence to show that Climate change is real, I would say...go head, fix the thing.
They are not using the money to fix the issue.
The only way to fix it is to stop all of the waste in society, people who buy lettuce and then throw away half of it are helping to cause the problem because growing perishable items frees carbon from the environment just like anything else does
You cannot just blame fossil fuels, coal is no more of a problem than natural gas, it destroys the earth getting elements to make solar panels too. Cows fart less when out in the field eating grass than when eating corn and soy grains. You rarely have to add poisons or fertilizer to the cow pasture for grass to grow.
Focusing only on carbon is stupid, carbon can be reabsorbed if the trees and microbes are there to convert it back to soils. That is being ignored by environmental activists backing the climate change deal
All that supposedly environmental fracking is just as bad if not worse than coal when used for generating power. It is a scam. They could make coal plants more environmental friendly, but consensus of the time of some high ranking environmental nuts is to blame it all on coal. Nuclear power plants would not be bad if we were to fix the nuclear waste instead of letting our children deal with it in a hundred years. Windmills are good, but severe weather can tear them apart, so they are not something we can count on to supply all of our power.
We need to quit wasting and buying things we really do not need, we need to quit flying all over the place or taking long trips because the cars get better gas mileage now. When I was young, most people around here put five thousand miles or less a year on their cars, now a high amount of people put on ten to fifteen thousand a year. People need to quit going shopping so often, combining trips and having a pantry of food to cycle into their routine. They must stop buying things they do not need. The carbon savings buying frozen veggies is way more than buying fresh foods because of the trips to the store all the time. Nothing wrong with stopping by the store on the way home from work though, save gas and miles on your car by thinking ahead.
Our society has turned into a rat race, back when I was young, people planned out their meals more and wasted less, taking care of leftovers and planning things better. Now, people do not plan or pay attention, they just go buy and toss out the old. Buying new appliances does not get you a better product, that energy efficient refrigerator usually only keeps it's efficiency for a few years and only lasts seven or eight years before having to be purchased again. It does not matter how expensive it is, rich people can afford to buy new expensive stuff more often.
These people at the top of this environmental crap think we are all stupid, the old environmentalists years ago thought people were just ignorant, not stupid. I ignore false things, That paris crap is not a solution, they just want power and want to handle and spend everyone's money on things that are not actually going to help our planet. They want us to buy new more energy efficient things, buying things to replace things that are good is not environmentally friendly.
Why do people believe these cons that make great money taking away the working mans money. Tax the airlines and make flying super expensive, tax the cruise ships, tax the cargo of merchandise traveling half way around the world, start producing stuff in an environmentally friendly way in communities around your country, supplying your own people with what they need. Quit buying things you do not really need, you do not need a nail gun to nail in a hundred nails in the steps you are making, use a hammer, it does not require an air compressor.
originally posted by: rickymouse
Science is used to rape the people more than to help the people. If they took the money they want to collect from us and used it to actually do the right thing instead of feeding it to scientists who profit by collecting evidence to show that Climate change is real, I would say...go head, fix the thing.
They are not using the money to fix the issue.
The only way to fix it is to stop all of the waste in society, people who buy lettuce and then throw away half of it are helping to cause the problem because growing perishable items frees carbon from the environment just like anything else does
You cannot just blame fossil fuels, coal is no more of a problem than natural gas, it destroys the earth getting elements to make solar panels too. Cows fart less when out in the field eating grass than when eating corn and soy grains. You rarely have to add poisons or fertilizer to the cow pasture for grass to grow.
Focusing only on carbon is stupid, carbon can be reabsorbed if the trees and microbes are there to convert it back to soils. That is being ignored by environmental activists backing the climate change deal
All that supposedly environmental fracking is just as bad if not worse than coal when used for generating power. It is a scam. They could make coal plants more environmental friendly, but consensus of the time of some high ranking environmental nuts is to blame it all on coal. Nuclear power plants would not be bad if we were to fix the nuclear waste instead of letting our children deal with it in a hundred years. Windmills are good, but severe weather can tear them apart, so they are not something we can count on to supply all of our power.
We need to quit wasting and buying things we really do not need, we need to quit flying all over the place or taking long trips because the cars get better gas mileage now. When I was young, most people around here put five thousand miles or less a year on their cars, now a high amount of people put on ten to fifteen thousand a year. People need to quit going shopping so often, combining trips and having a pantry of food to cycle into their routine. They must stop buying things they do not need. The carbon savings buying frozen veggies is way more than buying fresh foods because of the trips to the store all the time. Nothing wrong with stopping by the store on the way home from work though, save gas and miles on your car by thinking ahead.
Our society has turned into a rat race, back when I was young, people planned out their meals more and wasted less, taking care of leftovers and planning things better. Now, people do not plan or pay attention, they just go buy and toss out the old. Buying new appliances does not get you a better product, that energy efficient refrigerator usually only keeps it's efficiency for a few years and only lasts seven or eight years before having to be purchased again. It does not matter how expensive it is, rich people can afford to buy new expensive stuff more often.
These people at the top of this environmental crap think we are all stupid, the old environmentalists years ago thought people were just ignorant, not stupid. I ignore false things, That paris crap is not a solution, they just want power and want to handle and spend everyone's money on things that are not actually going to help our planet. They want us to buy new more energy efficient things, buying things to replace things that are good is not environmentally friendly.
Why do people believe these cons that make great money taking away the working mans money. Tax the airlines and make flying super expensive, tax the cruise ships, tax the cargo of merchandise traveling half way around the world, start producing stuff in an environmentally friendly way in communities around your country, supplying your own people with what they need. Quit buying things you do not really need, you do not need a nail gun to nail in a hundred nails in the steps you are making, use a hammer, it does not require an air compressor.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Skorpiogurl
I think burning so much gasoline everyday is causing a lot of air pollution.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Skorpiogurl
I think burning so much gasoline everyday is causing a lot of air pollution.
originally posted by: neo96
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Skorpiogurl
I think burning so much gasoline everyday is causing a lot of air pollution.
Never heard of a catalytic converter I see.
originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Skorpiogurl
I can give you an A+ for effort, but not your conclusions.
For the sake of this conversation, I believe!!! I believe with all my heart and soul and intellectual capacity!!! I believe that the earth -- and therefore humanity -- are facing absolutely catastrophic and devastating consequences due to our behavior... and I KNOW damn well that the only "solutions" being offered are designed to benefit the few at the expense of the many. So now I'm angry. Not just angry, I'm pissed off as HELL!!!
Because the people crying the loudest are also the ones with the biggest carbon footprint. Because these same people are demanding that the rest of us sacrifice ever more while they indulge themselves ever more.
Because crony capitalism and faux moral outrage has criminalized a virtually non-toxic and therefore non-polluting plant which can replace ALL petroleum products.
Because corporatocracy has enabled and empowered a disposable and consumption-driven economy, with built-in obsolescence and inferior quality, driving unnecessary manufacturing and production, along with the attendant pollution.
Because no effort is made to best utilize existing technology in ways that reduce travel-related pollution, such as cyber-summits replacing environmental summits at fancy destinations reached by private jets and luxury yachts, or more work-from-home positions performed at a computer eliminating the worker's daily commute.
Because private property rights and our rights to provide a living for ourselves have been so eroded and trampled that we are virtually forced to pollute the world -- we must find work outside the home as increasing regulations stifle cottage industries and home businesses; we are increasingly prohibited -- or greatly restricted -- in our ability to use our land for growing our own food and/or to barter/sell; not to mention that the cost of living has become so inflated that most families need two incomes (thus doubling air-polluting commutes) just to stay out of poverty, and local codes and zoning laws increasingly prohibit permits for home additions or guest houses for family members, thus requiring ever more construction for housing, roads, municipal services such as utilities, police and fire.
Because every argument and every solution puts the burden on the little guy one way or another, including this OP. And the simple truth is that WE are not the problem and WE are therefore not the solution.
We are being played.
originally posted by: Skorpiogurl
originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: Skorpiogurl
Ummm...
Climate change denial
True believers always attempt to pigeon hole the unbeliever with the use of catchphrases...
Labeling...is the method most used in an attempt to gain some imagined moral high ground over the non believer...
the refusal to accept the reality of climate change
Everybody accepts the reality of climate change...just not...YOUR...particular reality...
"I reject your version of reality...and substitute my own"
I'm just not a follower of your particular...ahem...faith...
YouSir
Fair enough.
No where did I state or even ask anyone to accept my reality in fact, good Sir, I don't believe anyone here knows the color of my reality. Wait, are we related or something? No, just a joke But I do have a question for you, why the "Ahem" before the word faith? Do you have any? in anything? Sometimes I feel very sad, it does not seem like many people have faith in or even cherish anything anymore. We live in such a disposable world. That is another topic though.
originally posted by: YouSir
originally posted by: Skorpiogurl
originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: Skorpiogurl
Ummm...
Climate change denial
True believers always attempt to pigeon hole the unbeliever with the use of catchphrases...
Labeling...is the method most used in an attempt to gain some imagined moral high ground over the non believer...
the refusal to accept the reality of climate change
Everybody accepts the reality of climate change...just not...YOUR...particular reality...
"I reject your version of reality...and substitute my own"
I'm just not a follower of your particular...ahem...faith...
YouSir
Fair enough.
No where did I state or even ask anyone to accept my reality in fact, good Sir, I don't believe anyone here knows the color of my reality. Wait, are we related or something? No, just a joke But I do have a question for you, why the "Ahem" before the word faith? Do you have any? in anything? Sometimes I feel very sad, it does not seem like many people have faith in or even cherish anything anymore. We live in such a disposable world. That is another topic though.
Ummm...perhaps because of the misapplied definitions that people use to describe...faith...
Faith and belief are extreme opposites...
Belief is a state where one is unsure the perspective under question is truth...
Faith on the other hand is Gnosis...or knowledge...however most times these concepts are used as interchangeable when in fact they are diametrically opposed...
Do I have any faith…?
I do...knowledge not gained by reading or through any education system...gained rather by meditation...void meditation primarily...Experiences unique to my own path in which I experienced the entirety of the all...where all of knowing was there in my mind...however the reality of returning back to my physical nature and residing in physicality...that knowing was not so much lost...but too vast for the zip drive of the mind...
These are my thoughts on the matter and as such are unique to my own experience...I can point to the directions I've traversed...however...your walk is unique to you...
That's why the best teacher is always the self...Gnosis and logic are sustenance enough for me...
Perhaps if perspective and perception can be based or founded in truth and fact...then such might be more obvious...but if persons or groups interject their own falsehoods and inconsistencies into whatever it is they're trying to sell...then there might not be any argument necessary...
However...from my observation...agenda always seems to be the mouthpiece for such sales...
YouSir