Is the Pillar of Cloud in the Bible the same as cigar shaped U.F.O.'s today?

My limited understanding (and personal opinion) is that God uses nature/natural events for His works/wonders. Satan and his demonic followers use technology to "mimic" or achieve similar results.

So where as God would use a Volcano explosion to trigger a plague in Egypt, Satan would use technology to trigger a similar effect. God would use a thunderstorm or an aurora to light up the night sky, Satan would use a UFO to trigger a similar effect.

a reply to: neoholographic

Certainly some very interesting contextual UFO aspects mate and all those accounts of stationary clouds, sky thrones, fiery chariots, flying rolls, pillars of light, platforms, vessels and fiery wheels in the sky sound pretty intriguing - especialy when the objects are described as exhibiting rapid, prolonged flight; hovering; ascending or descending. 

Richard D Hall covers the topic in the video below, there's also a very old thread about the subject here.

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
Neo, excellent detective work....you have a fertile mind to wrangle the details down....Ezek's wheel within a wheel that holds attitude while going this way or that!

Scripture itself proves we are in a simulation, Bible is not like the other books....quran is a comic book thick....that Bible just by translitration tells magically the story of God...the math in the hebrew grammer and letters is all 7's

God wrote Cyrus a letter in the Bible to read to let his people go back to build the temple, he sent money and helpers....and proclaimed their God to be the new God in the land. then he went to give more at the completion.

behold the hand, behold the nail....

Thanks and I think the people of Exodus were seeing the same cigar shaped U.F.O.'s that's seen today. They called it a pillar. The Egyptian Pharoah called them rods.

Type in cigar or cylinder shaped U.F.O.'s and there's a ton of articles and videos on these craft.

Biblical aliens of today
Explaining a Christian interpretation of UFOs and their meaning


Starts about 30 minutes in
Impossibilities of space distance travel, alien abductions, inter dimensional creatures, alien channeling, and other topics of how many Christians understand the alien deception.
Mexico City in 77
Washington 52
Roswell and info relating to that
Crop circles etc
Plenty of interesting stuff and some Christian interpretations

I believe in angels and demons, a spiritual dimension parallel with our own
Biblical demons exist, masked as aliens, why?

I don’t believe cigar shaped ufos are clouds as described in the bible

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: neoholographic

Certainly some very interesting contextual UFO aspects mate and all those accounts of stationary clouds, sky thrones, fiery chariots, flying rolls, pillars of light, platforms, vessels and fiery wheels in the sky sound pretty intriguing - especialy when the objects are described as exhibiting rapid, prolonged flight; hovering; ascending or descending. 

Richard D Hall covers the topic in the video below, there's also a very old thread about the subject here.

Very good points and thanks for the video.

Sadly, we will not be ready and people will be scared to death when these clouds(U.F.O.'s) are just hovering in the sky. Professional debunkers and pseudoskeptics have really hurt our understanding and knowledge of these things. In Acts, Jesus was taken up in a cloud.

Acts 1:9

And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

It also says he will return with clouds(U.F.O.'s)

Revelations 1:7

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Answering your question, I don't think the Bible's pillars are the same as today's cigar shaped UFOs because they had pillars and beams at the time, so why would they call a cigar shaped UFO a "pillar" when it looks more like a "beam"?

Saucers have been reported many times hovering and flying on their sides, like a wheel. A few Cigars have also been reported as standing on end in the sky.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
You are worse than most Christians
You are taking single sentences and melding them with other sentences completely out of context
You are tying in old and New Testament verse, unrelated
You have taken out words from a book and weaved a ludicrously outlandish set of circumstances to further a non existent narrative

If I say anything about the bible being literal and not metaphorical I would be laughed at and here you are trying to make metaphors literal statements
How and why, there are no aliens or UFO in the bible, it’s a spiritual book

I smell anxiety in your post

originally posted by: neoholographic



Look at the cigar shaped U.F.O.'s and the pillar. These are the same craft and the same beings from the Exodus. Look at the way it's lights up. Something powers it. These cigar shaped U.F.O.'s are everywhere. Just type in cigar shaped U.F.O. and you will see thousands of examples. Here's some more:

Good grief! Clutching at straws much. That is simply an other aircraft passing. Nothing is powering it up other than the fuselage reflecting light. Look at the bright conditions. Also neither is it stopping or going backwards as suggested in the video. That illusion is created by the person filming it and moving the camera.

See following where an aircraft reflecting light is filmed.

Twitter Link Video

This was the aircraft that was filmed.

Twitter Link

a reply to: neoholographic



That is an aircraft towing an advertising banner. Again simply people clutching at straws and over reading such footage into something that it isn't.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
A few Cigars have also been reported as standing on end in the sky.

Could you post a reference?

Thanks in advance.

a reply to: neoholographic



Can you not see the tethering ropes? That is a tethered solar balloon. Solar balloons that are not tethered feature in a lot of UFO videos, but you can clearly see the tethering ropes in the one that you posted.

Solar Balloon examples.



Here is an un-tethered solar balloon.



Here is an un-tethered solar balloon causing a UFO flap over Brazil.

a reply to: neoholographic

interesting thread... I didn't see this verse mentioned...

Exodus 19

16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.

18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.


Certainly sounds like a ship landing...

also it is said that the top of mount is Blackened because "god" basically landed on it with "fire and thunder"

a reply to: Akragon

It always muddies the waters when the bible or religious viewpoints are interjected into UFO's or the paranormal. Right off the bat you have a bias as to how you see things and apply you bias/beliefs into it.

If the phenomena is approached without a preconceived idea of what it is, we may learn more instead of of using superstition to interpret what we don't understand

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: neoholographic

interesting thread... I didn't see this verse mentioned...

Exodus 19

16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.

18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.


Certainly sounds like a ship landing...

also it is said that the top of mount is Blackened because "god" basically landed on it with "fire and thunder"

Thanks and this is exactly right.

You don't have to read anything into it. They're describing what they saw and they're describing flying spacecraft. Again, what cloud do you enter? What cloud carries you into the mountains?

This was a cigar shaped U.F.O. that's seen all over the world today, that they called a pillar. This pillar would fly in front of them and even flew behind them to protect them from the Egyptians.

14:19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:

14:20 And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night.

Moses built an alter using pillars.

Exodus 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

So, they told you exactly what they saw. They said the Lord was flying around them in a pillar!!

Exodus 33:9 And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood [at] the door of the tabernacle, and [the LORD] talked with Moses.

Again, there's no interpretation, there's no mystery, the Lord was in a pillar of cloud and we call them cigar shaped U.F.O.'s today.



Here's more:

Exodus 34:5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.

Exodus 19:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD.

Here the cloud carries Moses into the mountains.

Exodus 24:18 And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights.

Again, no interpretation needed. They saw a cigar shaped U.F.O. that they described as a pillar.

a reply to: neoholographic

As it's been already said, these are photos of a solar balloon. Since you can't seem to grasp this, here's a comparison:



Are you purposely doing this?

originally posted by: neoholographic
Again, there's no interpretation, there's no mystery, the Lord was in a pillar of cloud and we call them cigar shaped U.F.O.'s today.

No, you are calling them cigar shaped UFOs, I would never call "pillar" to something horizontal.

14:20 And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night.

Moses built an alter using pillars.

Wait, wait, wait...

Are you saying that Moses built an **aircraft carrier**?!?!

Because that's really the only way I can interpret building an altar using pillars.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
a reply to: neoholographic

As it's been already said, these are photos of a solar balloon. Since you can't seem to grasp this, here's a comparison:

Are you purposely doing this?

LOL!!

You pseudoskeptics are funny.

So you're saying the thousands of reports of Cigar Shaped U.F.O.'s around the world are all solar balloons??? You can't be serious!

Why isn't there a warehouse full of solar balloons that planes have caught? Why hasn't the FAA just said, hey, these cigar shaped U.F.O.'s are not U.F.O's they're all solar balloons LOL! You know why they haven't said this? They're not idiots!

Here's a cigar shaped U.F.O. on Mars. Those solar balloons can really get around



Cigar shaped U.F.O.'s near the space station.



Huge cigar shaped U.F.O. near space station.



Cigar shaped U.F.O. in space



Cigar shaped U.F.O. in Iceland



Cigar shaped U.F.O. Slovakia



Cigar shaped U.F.O. over Mexico City



Cigar shaped U.F.O. Ukraine



Cigar shaped U.F.O. on Beach in California



I can go for a thousand pages of just video of these cigar shaped U.F.O.'s in space and all over the world. I can understand why psudoskeptics make such asinine statements because they can't handle the truth

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
Saucers have been reported many times hovering and flying on their sides, like a wheel. A few Cigars have also been reported as standing on end in the sky.

Good points!

I think the evidence is clear!