Was Soleimani in Iraq legally or officially?

I was against Obama's drone strikes and continued war mongering even though he was supposed to be the peace and love / change president and I am against Trump following in his footsteps when he said we were going to get out of the middle east and endless wars. To quote one of my favorite rock bands..."The song remains the same"

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: Ksihkehe

So dispensing with Congress in the declaration of war is a Presidential power in whatever demented version of your Republic you subscribe to OK

He didnt declare war you Muppet, war HAS to be declared by Congress.

Stern words do not equal war

I often wonder how some people have lived as long as they have without a bit of Darwin happening

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: TheRedneck

This probably deserves a thread of its own, especially since US forces were attacked in Kenya this morning, killing at least one American.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

These Media Posts will serve as notification to the United States Congress that should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner. Such legal notice is not required, but is given nevertheless!
12:25 PM · Jan 5, 2020·

twitter.com...

Disproportionate attacks are considered war crimes.

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump


....hundreds of Iranian protesters. He was already attacking our Embassy, and preparing for additional hits in other locations. Iran has been nothing but problems for many years. Let this serve as a WARNING that if Iran strikes any Americans, or American assets, we have.....
....targeted 52 Iranian sites (representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago), some at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture, and those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD. The USA wants no more threats!

It's also considered a war crime to target civilians and cultural sites.

But, Trump is basically giving Congress' war powers the middle finger.

Didn't he pledge to defend the Constitution in the oath of office?

originally posted by: khnum
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Oh youre one of those, Just called us "The Satan" funny thats what jihadists call us

Bought any large quantities of fertilizer lately Khnum?

a reply to: SailorJerry

Oh you!

Now you're just being an infidel!

originally posted by: khnum
Isnt anyone here concerned that Donalds most recent tweet dispenses with Congress and declares himself emperor?

It's really part of the plan.

Just do a read-up on Barr's Unitary Executive Authority.

The AG wants to build an emperor, right under the noses of the American people.

a reply to: khnum

So a tweet is a formal declaration of events??

Umm...nope, not concerned. Waay, way too many checks and balances for even the evil that is Trump to overcome to accomplish that.

Seriously...try the decaf.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: khnum
Isnt anyone here concerned that Donalds most recent tweet dispenses with Congress and declares himself emperor?

Why not, he already has declared himself messiah and god.

Which mentally balanced, normal people do... all the time...

Someone clearly missed the Obama years.

Was it a TV show?

Perhaps it wasn't syndicated here?

(We know how you guys favor your 'stars', over there. Once it used to be movie stars, now it's game show hosts. I'm just waiting until they elect an animation - Road Runner for President!.)

a reply to: chr0naut

I'll take a game show host over an effing lawyer any day.

The people of Iran cheered

The government of Iran didn’t

Says it all

Looks like another revolution ahead for Iraq

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: khnum

So a tweet is a formal declaration of events??

Umm...nope, not concerned. Waay, way too many checks and balances for even the evil that is Trump to overcome to accomplish that.

Seriously...try the decaf.

I think we're way passed decaf. A lot of people need to step up and volunteer for lobotomies at this point.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: chr0naut

I'll take a game show host over an effing lawyer any day.

So you did.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Disproportionate attacks are considered war crimes.

And what is attacking an embassy called? Croquet?

I do see disproportionality though... Soleimani helped kill hundreds of US soldiers and thousands of civilians. I'd say a proportional response would have been to remove a few blocks of Tehran from existence. I am not sure why you would want that, but I guess you are entitled to.

It's also considered a war crime to target civilians and cultural sites.

Ummm, yeah, about that...

You just called a lot of people "war criminals"... and none of them are named Donald Trump. He hasn't attacked anything yet (and has indicated he won't unless Iran starts it up again).

But, Trump is basically giving Congress' war powers the middle finger.

Ummm... Congress doesn't have War Powers. The President does. All Congress does is declare war. The President fights it.

The War Powers Act does require the President to give Congress advance notice of his intention to order attacks where possible. He just did that. How is following the War Powers Act the same as violating the War Powers Act? That is some seriously advanced logic you got going on right there!

Either that or it's some seriously deranged thinking...

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

And what is attacking an embassy called? Croquet?

I do see disproportionality though... Soleimani helped kill hundreds of US soldiers and thousands of civilians.

Should we not be better than those with whom we're engaged, and follow the rules of engagement, or should we throw out the rules and becomes as base, ruthless, ruleless as those against whom we fight?

Honest question.

I'd say a proportional response would have been to remove a few blocks of Tehran from existence.

That would kill many innocent people. You think that is acceptable?

Congress doesn't have War Powers. The President does. All Congress does is declare war.

That would be a war power: the power to declare it.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha


Disproportionate attacks are considered war crimes.

It's also considered a war crime to target civilians and cultural sites.

But, Trump is basically giving Congress' war powers the middle finger.

If you are lucky Congress can impeach him again next year.

a reply to: Liquesence

Should we not be better than those with whom we're engaged, and follow the rules of engagement, or should we throw out the rules and becomes as base, ruthless, ruleless as those against whom we fight?

If only one side follows the ROE in place, are they really rules?

I would consider them problematic limitations.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Liquesence

Should we not be better than those with whom we're engaged, and follow the rules of engagement, or should we throw out the rules and becomes as base, ruthless, ruleless as those against whom we fight?

If only one side follows the ROE in place, are they really rules?

I would consider them problematic limitations.

It does not give one the right to become barbarians or terrorists, to stoop to their level.

That's what sets us apart from them and makes us exceptional.

It we give that up, we have no moral authority for what is right and wrong.

Pretty simple.

originally posted by: chr0naut

Didn't he pledge to defend the Constitution in the oath of office?

Sure when did he over reach? You do know the last time Congress "declared war" was 1942, so basically since then the president can do about anything they want, but if Congress doesn't approve of it they don't need to provide the funds needed to pay for it. When Obama did 536 drone strikes he nether needed nor asked for congressional approval.

a reply to: Scapegrace

Shoot first, too late to ask questions.

a reply to: Liquesence

im not sure if youre aware, but no one in the ME or anywhere else thinks we are exceptional in any way.

The only response to violence against US and her interest are even more extreme violence with speed of action.

Thats what they respect in the middle east

You have CLEARLY never been in a combat situation, so please, sit back down in your arm chair and preach your virtue to someone else

Or go put on a uniform